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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 06:33:14 AM »
Quote from: Bobby on September 16, 2009, 06:27:45 AM
are you saying juice is immoral? :D

Not all all, especially then...point was, to illustrate that it's absurd to think that these guys had access, but decided to only take "2 dbol" a day...as if guided by some conscience or higher authority....

They took everything under the sun, and only didnt take what they have today becuase it wasnt invented yet
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 07:01:34 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 06:33:14 AM
Not all all, especially then...point was, to illustrate that it's absurd to think that these guys had access, but decided to only take "2 dbol" a day...as if guided by some conscience or higher authority....

They took everything under the sun, and only didnt take what they have today becuase it wasnt invented yet

I went to a gym seminar in 1980, held right after Arnolds Olympia robbery, featuring drug doctor Michael Walczak, MD

He intimated that Arnold and Franco were the first to use HGH
supplied by him

note arnold's gap in front teeth, ala Haney et al
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2009, 08:28:50 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 06:33:14 AM
Not all all, especially then...point was, to illustrate that it's absurd to think that these guys had access, but decided to only take "2 dbol" a day...as if guided by some conscience or higher authority....

They took everything under the sun, and only didnt take what they have today becuase it wasnt invented yet

Zane didn't exactly look like a megadoser, so if he did, he didn't respond well?
and the new inventions wouldn't have helped him if he did it today?
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2009, 08:35:48 AM »
Quote from: Bobby on September 16, 2009, 08:28:50 AM
Zane didn't exactly look like a megadoser, so if he did, he didn't respond well?
and the new inventions wouldn't have helped him if he did it today?

as far as exercise
there are no 'new inventions'
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2009, 08:46:47 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 05:59:46 AM
LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back

X2...also it's funny people assume that if Zane was on a modern drug regimen he wouldn't be sporting a gut just like a lot of guys. Is he special?
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2009, 09:33:55 AM »

Bah! Fools...even today Zane would own the shapless lumps of oil that currently populate an IFBB stage!


Im sure if Doom were reading this ...he would dissaprove.
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2009, 10:04:31 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 06:22:25 AM
Trust me, they had access to plenty....all real, and a time when no one gave a shit.  Zane was never one of the bigger guys, and wouldnt have been with todays stuff.  There is a reason he was nicknamed the Chemist

Great pt, Zane beat the pack that was the stage in the late 70's.
What made Zane specal was his unique look at the lighter body wt compared to other pros at that time.
The sad reality is that the sport of BB had a lot less drug problems when NOBODY cared about "it" as a problem.
Despite what some may think, as you know BOB, my "issue " with drugs has always been the LEGAL and PR issues of steroid use. In my book, the only sensible thing to do, is make personal steroid use LEGAL and make it a NON issue that is just one part of hardcore BB and /or contests.
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2009, 10:25:31 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 06:33:14 AM
Not all all, especially then...point was, to illustrate that it's absurd to think that these guys had access, but decided to only take "2 dbol" a day...as if guided by some conscience or higher authority....

They took everything under the sun, and only didnt take what they have today becuase it wasnt invented yet

You don't know this!
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2009, 10:28:38 AM »
Quote from: Bix on September 16, 2009, 10:25:31 AM
You don't know this!

Actually, I do, as I've talked with many of the superstars of that era...as well as being close friends with a few.
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2009, 10:58:48 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 10:28:38 AM
Actually, I do, as I've talked with many of the superstars of that era...as well as being close friends with a few.

You weren't there and besides you can't believe half the shit they speak anyway, case in point "Super Bullshitter Franco".
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2009, 11:06:08 AM »
Quote from: Bix on September 16, 2009, 10:58:48 AM
You weren't there and besides you can't believe half the shit they speak anyway, case in point "Super Bullshitter Franco".

Well, since none of us were "there"....I guess we'll ahve to rely on COMMON SENSE...which dictates that no one "back in the day", with full access to legit gear, no black market to speak of, and the drive to WIN bb shows, was content to sit back, take 2 dbol and let the chips fall where they may...

How niave can you be, seriously?
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2009, 11:06:52 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 06:24:59 AM
They considered everything and anything that was available to them....as if there was some sort of moral compass with these guys...LOL

EXACTLY !!!!!
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2009, 11:13:33 AM »
the guys who do beleive they only took a few dianabol and one shot of prima every few weeks stand out as not being bodybuilders.... all of us who do train seriously and have competed know how the bodybuilding mind set is...
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2009, 11:15:21 AM »
who is flex lewis>?
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2009, 11:17:20 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 11:06:08 AM
Well, since none of us were "there"....I guess we'll ahve to rely on COMMON SENSE...which dictates that no one "back in the day", with full access to legit gear, no black market to speak of, and the drive to WIN bb shows, was content to sit back, take 2 dbol and let the chips fall where they may...

How niave can you be, seriously?

About as niave as to think one can actully just waltz into pharmacies in Cali, and pick up Humalog with nothing but bulging biceps and "good intentions."  ::)
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2009, 11:38:48 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 11:06:08 AM
Well, since none of us were "there"....I guess we'll ahve to rely on COMMON SENSE...which dictates that no one "back in the day", with full access to legit gear, no black market to speak of, and the drive to WIN bb shows, was content to sit back, take 2 dbol and let the chips fall where they may...

How niave can you be, seriously?

Bob this one can give you some heat also, but from your statement I believe you agree with us that Lee Priest is full of shit with his "200mg of deca a week and a 1 cc of primo once in a while" dosage claim ?
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2009, 11:47:06 AM »
Quote from: Stavios on September 16, 2009, 11:38:48 AM
Bob this one can give you some heat also, but from your statement I believe you agree with us that Lee Priest is full of shit with his "200mg of deca a week and a 1 cc of primo once in a while" dosage claim ?

Could be true..."once in a while" could be every 6 hours for all we know...
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2009, 11:47:49 AM »
Quote from: Determinator on September 16, 2009, 04:51:20 AM
My vote: yes

My vote : NO

Same goes for Mike Mentzer.
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2009, 11:50:25 AM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 05:59:46 AM
LOL...well im sure all the other competitors really appreciated Frank holding back

What's the reason today's pros are bigger and harder than the ones from the 70s??
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2009, 12:03:49 PM »
Quote from: affeman on September 16, 2009, 11:50:25 AM
What's the reason today's pros are bigger and harder than the ones from the 70s??

Lots of reasons....better equipment, better drugs, most guys are training YEARS longer to achieve the pro level, better diets, advancements in supps, knowledge...

Same reason the NFL players are bigger. faster and stronger than those in the 70's..and every other sport
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2009, 12:04:51 PM »
Zane would do well in today's 202 lb division.  He is not outmassed by guys like Flex Lewis and Stan McQuay who just won 202 lb shows, and his shape and condition would be second to none.  
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2009, 12:09:31 PM »
If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?


Frank would appear too tall with not enough mass.

He would come in just as cut though, if not more.

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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2009, 12:45:05 PM »
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2009, 12:55:29 PM »
Zane was the biggest hype in pro bbing.
Simply he didnt have enough muscle.
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Re: If around today, and at age 30-ish, would Frank Zane own the 202 division?
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2009, 01:12:37 PM »
Quote from: Chick on September 16, 2009, 11:06:08 AM
How niave can you be, seriously?

Everyone lies about the drugs. You, Zane, Draper, Tom Prince, Priest, Ron Harris, Kyomu, musclecenter. :D Doesn't matter who it is, if it's a bb it's a liar.
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