Huckabee leads 'values voters'

[Straw Man]

Ok without getting into the whole debate again b/c i seriously dont want to have this with again for the n^th time.

Religious belief not based in logic while his beliefs may stem from religion he uses logic to back them up.

again

example?

[MM2K]

Ive only seen him a number of times in interviews etc...and although they do paint the right as such it doesnt really seem that huck is that way. He uses logic to defend his positions based on faith instead of simply religious beliefs.
I dont think the majority of america really cares to much about religious beliefs look at obama spent 20 yrs in a church that spouts racist views that didnt play much of a role.

Possibly, but there are some very embarassing acts that Huck has committed. Take the whole situation where Huck was involved in the parole of some prisoner who went on to murder two people when he got out of jail (supposedly because he had repented before God), or when he said that people with aids should be seperated from other people. The Democrats claim that this doesnt even scratch the surface of the dirt they have on him.

Remember this ad?

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If you look at the statistics for negative ads that Democrats ran on Republicans during the primaries, Romney got the highest percentage of negative ads. Huckabee got 2%.

The Democrats were like tigers in a cage when viewing Huckabee during the primaries.

No no my friends, let's not shoot ourselves in the foot here. 2012 is too important.

[tonymctones]

again

example?

omg you really want to get into the abortion debate dont you?

last time i had you agreeing that your logic meant that elderly and mentally disabled ppl could be aborted you really want to walk down that path again?

[tonymctones]

Possibly, but there are some very embarassing acts that Huck has committed. Take the whole situation where Huck was involved in the parole of some prisoner who went on to murder two people when he got out of jail (supposedly because he had repented before God), or when he said that people with aids should be seperated from other people. The Democrats claim that this doesnt even scratch the surface of the dirt they have on him.

Remember this ad?

&feature=related

If you look at the statistics for negative ads that Democrats ran on Republicans during the primaries, Romney got the highest percentage of negative ads. Huckabee got 2%.

The Democrats were like tigers in a cage when viewing Huckabee during the primaries.

No no my friends, let's not shoot ourselves in the foot here. 2012 is too important.

No doubt I really dont think that anybody thats been in politics for a while can run for office and not have dirt pulled up on them especially these days with technology and access to ppl is so great.

[Straw Man]

omg you really want to get into the abortion debate dont you?

last time i had you agreeing that your logic meant that elderly and mentally disabled ppl could be aborted you really want to walk down that path again?

you could try Huckleberry on the death penalty rather than abortion or plenty of other issues too.

can you even give me a simple explanation of the difference between faith and religious beliefs?

I'd be satisfied with that

[tonymctones]

you could try Huckleberry on the death penalty rather than abortion or plenty of other issues too.

can you even give me a simple explanation of the difference between faith and religious beliefs?

I'd be satisfied with that

oh ok maybe there was a miscommunication

when i said faith i meant religious belief like as in "his faith"

He may be against abortion b/c of his religion (again i dont know I know he is against abortion) but he doesnt cite his religion as the reason why he uses logical reasoning to back up his stance.

[Straw Man]

omg you really want to get into the abortion debate dont you?

last time i had you agreeing that your logic meant that elderly and mentally disabled ppl could be aborted you really want to walk down that path again?

you did?

I don't remember that

how about a link

[tonymctones]

you did?

I don't remember that

how about a link

yes i did

im not gonna dig it up bro...

[Straw Man]

yes i did

im not gonna dig it up bro...

I have a decent memory and I recall nothing of the sort

show proof or you're full of shit

[tonymctones]

I have a decent memory and I recall nothing of the sort

show proof or you're full of shit

i have a great memory not simply decent and it was quite a while back it would take a long ass time to dig up and not really worth my effort...

as I remember we got into your rationalization of abortion and you said b/c the fetus depended on the mother it couldnt feed itself, live on its own etc...well some elderly cant either, mentally disabled, young children etc...

[Straw Man]

i have a great memory not simply decent and it was quite a while back it would take a long ass time to dig up and not really worth my effort...

as I remember we got into your rationalization of abortion and you said b/c the fetus depended on the mother it couldnt feed itself, live on its own etc...well some elderly cant either, mentally disabled, young children etc...

the only thing we discussed about that point was that the fetus depended on the mother therefore the fetus was part of the womans body and any medical decisions in that regard were soley her choice

you won't find statement or agreement from me that therefore elderly or disabled should or could justifiably be aborted.

your memory is wrong but feel free to prove yourself right by showing some proof

[tonymctones]

the only thing we discussed about that point was that the fetus depended on the mother therefore the fetus was part of the womans body and any medical decisions in that regard were soley her choice

you won't find statement or agreement from me that therefore elderly or disabled should or could justifiably be aborted.

your memory is wrong but feel free to prove yourself right by showing some proof

I never said you agreed with it I said you agreed thats where your logic led...

[Straw Man]

I never said you agreed with it I said you agreed thats where your logic led...

again, all you have to do is show some proof.

the fact that the fetus literally depends on the living body of the mother does not logically lead to the statement that elderly or disable people could be aborted.

elderly or disabled people don't depend on a single living organism to sustain their physical life

[tonymctones]

again, all you have to do is show some proof.

the fact that the fetus literally depends on the living body of the mother does not logically lead to the statement that elderly or disable people could be aborted.

elderly or disabled people don't depend on a single living organism to sustain their physical life

Im not going to go look up some 6 month old thread bro

Do they not? a parapalegic doesnt depend on another living organism?

a baby doesnt depend on its mother?

[Straw Man]

Im not going to go look up some 6 month old thread bro

Do they not? a parapalegic doesnt depend on another living organism?

a baby doesnt depend on its mother?

simple question

if the pregnant woman dies in a car wreck does the fetus die (lets assume the fetus is in the stage where it can be legally aborted and not viable outside the womans body)

if a caregiver of a disabled person dies in a car wreck does the disabled person also die

the relationship is not at all the same and there is no logical connection that an elderly or disabled person could/should be aborted

[tonymctones]

simple question

if the pregnant woman dies in a car wreck does the fetus die (lets assume the fetus is in the stage where it can be legally aborted and not viable outside the womans body)

if a caregiver of a disabled person dies in a car wreck does the disabled person also die

the relationship is not at all the same and there is no logical connection that an elderly or disabled person could/should be aborted

not necissarily the fetus can be retrieved...

its the rationalization of your view that logically extends to elderly and disabled ppl straw...

[Straw Man]

not necissarily the fetus can be retrieved...

its the rationalization of your view that logically extends to elderly and disabled ppl straw...

let's say the fetus is 4 weeks old and the car explodes

how does the disabled person have the same relationship to a random caregiver that a fetus has to it's mothers body

there is no correlation or comparison at all

[tonymctones]

let's say the fetus is 4 weeks old and the car explodes

how does the disabled person have the same relationship to a random caregiver that a fetus has to it's mothers body

there is no correlation or comparison at all

you deem it ok to abort b/c the baby depends on the mother for nourishment, shelter etc. correct?

[Straw Man]

you deem it ok to abort b/c the baby depends on the mother for nourishment, shelter etc. correct?

no

it's because the fetus is part of the womans body

show me the corresponding relationship with a disabled person and a caregiver

or just give it up because you're wrong and you know it

[tonymctones]

no

it's because the fetus is part of the womans body

show me the corresponding relationship with a disabled person and a caregiver

or just give it up because you're wrong and you know it

so youre ok with abortion all the way up until birth?

[tonymctones]

actually technically with your logic you could give birth look at the child and then deem whether or not to abort just so long as the ambilical cord was still attached...

[Straw Man]

so youre ok with abortion all the way up until birth?

no

when did I say that?

I'm fine with the laws exactly how they are and anything a woman chooses to do with her body is none of my business

what's this got to do with difference btw. faith and religious belief?

[tonymctones]

no

when did I say that?

I'm fine with the laws exactly how they are and anything a woman chooses to do with her body is none of my business

what's this got to do with difference btw. faith and religious belief?

no

it's because the fetus is part of the womans body

the fetus is still apart of the womens body even up till birth so whats the difference?

I already explained what i meant, i thought it was a miscommunication..

[Straw Man]

actually technically with your logic you could give birth look at the child and then deem whether or not to abort just so long as the ambilical cord was still attached...

no

that would not be correct

at that point (earlier than that) the fetus can live without being physically dependent on the host body

man, you're reaching here.  

why don't you just give it up

[tonymctones]

no

that would not be correct

at that point (earlier than that) the fetus can live without being physically dependent on the host body

man, you're reaching here.  

why don't you just give it up

LOL your views on abortion change everytime we talk...

so its not that its simply her body its b/c the fetus cant live without her that makes it ok to terminate the pregnancy?