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Holdren says Constitution backs compulsory abortion
World News Daily ^ | September 22, 2009 8:54 pm Eastern | Jerome R. Corsi


Posted on Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:46:29 AM by jmcenanly

Obama science czar John Holdren stated in a college textbook he co-authored that in conditions of emergency, compulsory abortion would be sustainable under the U.S. Constitution, even with Supreme Court review.

WND has obtained a copy of "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment," published in 1977 and co-authored by Holdren with Malthusian population alarmist Paul R. Ehrlich and Ehrlich's wife, Ann. As WND reported, the authors argued involuntary birth-control measures, including forced sterilization, may be necessary and morally acceptable under extreme conditions, such as widespread famine brought about by "climate change."

To prevent ecological disasters, including "global warming," Holdren argued the U.S. Constitution would permit involuntary abortions, government -imposed sterilizations and laws limiting the number of children as steps justified under the banner of "sustainable well-being."

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 07:39:51 AM »
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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 07:45:26 AM »
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'Warming' result of too many people

A worldwide scientific agenda is emerging to link global population growth with global warming, arguing that climate change is such a severe crisis that the United States must participate in a United Nations mandate to implement global birth control in order to reduce carbon emissions.

Addressing the U.N. climate summit in New York yesterday, President Obama declared climate change resulting from global warming could leave future generations with an "irreversible catastrophe."

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A series of papers recently published by the Royal Society in Great Britain and by the United Nations have made a direct link between global population growth and anthropomorphic, or man-made global warming.

The Economist magazine summed up the current argument Monday, stating, "A world with fewer people would emit less greenhouse gas."

"World experts, in a wide range of disciplines, explore the ways in which the inexorable increase in human numbers is exhausting conventional energy supplies, accelerating environmental pollution and Global Warming, and providing an increasing number of Failed States where civil unrest prevails," wrote Roger V. Short of the faculty of Medicine, Dentistry and Health Sciences at the University of Melbourne, introducing the series of articles in the current issue of Philosophical Transactions published by the Royal Society.

Constitutional mandate for abortion

Arguing that "ample authority" exists to regulate population growth, Holdren and the Ehrlichs wrote on page 837 of their 1970s textbook that "under the United States Constitution, effective population-control programs, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society."

In the next sentence, the authors were careful to note that few in the U.S. in the 1970s considered the situation serious enough to justify compulsion.

Still, in the next paragraph, the authors advanced their key point: "To provide a high quality of life for all, there must be fewer people."

The authors of "Ecoscience" argued that a "legal restriction on the right to have more than a given number of children" could be crafted under the U.S. Constitution in crisis situations under the standard that "law has as its proper function the protection of each person and each group of persons."

On page 838, the authors argued, "The law could properly say to a mother that, in order to protect the children she already has, she could have no more."

To justify the point, the authors commented "differential rates of reproduction between ethnic, racial, religious, or economic groups might result in increased competition for resources and political power and thereby undermine social order."

The authors continued their constitutional analysis of government-mandated population control measures by writing: "If some individuals contribute to general social deterioration by overproducing children, and if the need is compelling, they can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility in their resource-consumption patterns – provided they are not denied equal protection." (Italics in the original text.)

Recognizing the politically charged nature of the subject, Holdren has attempted to disavow his 1970s views that compulsory government-mandated birth control measures may be today necessary.

A Global Warming Emergency

An analysis of Holdren's current statements on global warming strongly suggest the president's science czar sees global warming creating an environmental emergency.

"The air and the oceans are warming, mountain glaciers are disappearing, sea ice is shrinking, permafrost is thawing, the great land ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica are showing signs of instability and sea level is rising," Holdren testified to the Senate's Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation July 30.

Holdren told the Senate that the cause of these perils was human-generated carbon dioxide emissions.

"It is the emission of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping pollutants from our factories, our vehicles, and our power plants, and from use of our land in ways that move carbon from soils and vegetation into the atmosphere in the form of C02," he told the Senate.

He warned of dire consequences: "And the consequences for human well-being are already being felt: more heat waves, floods, droughts, and wildfires; tropical diseases reaching into the temperate zones; vast areas of forest destroyed by pest outbreaks linked to warming; alterations in patterns of rainfall on which agriculture depends; and coastal property increasingly at risk from the surging seas."

And, again: "Devastating increases in the power of the strongest hurricanes, sharp drops in the productivity of farms and ocean fisheries, a dramatic acceleration of species extinctions, and inundation of low-lying areas by rising sea level are among the possible outcomes."

Sustainable well-being'

The St. Petersburg Times' fact-check website, Politifact.com, argued that in his Senate confirmation hearings, Holdren disavowed "optimal population" targets, a central thesis of the 1970s textbook, as a proper role of government.

While Holdren may have abandoned "optimal population" targets as a principle of public policy, an address he gave as president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, subsequently published in Science Magazine in January 2008, shows he has adopted instead the standard of "sustainable well-being" as a guiding principle that could be utilized to set targets for acceptable population growth.

In the article, Holdren listed "continuing population growth" as a hindrance to the goal of realizing "sustainable well-being," a point Holdren supported by footnoting Paul Ehrlich's 1968 book "The Population Bomb," thereby linking his current thinking with his 1970s-era thinking.

In that footnote, Holdren wrote that the "elementary but discomforting truth" of Ehrlich's 1968 book "may account for the vast amount of ink, paper, and angry energy that has been expended in vain to refute it."

Holdren's "sustainable well-being" appears to be a nearly identical concept to what is known as the United Nation's "Agenda 21", which articulates the concept of "sustainable development" that is currently institutionalized in the Division for Sustainable Development of the U.N. Department of Economic and Social Affairs.

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 07:46:13 AM »
Your tax dollars at work!  

#1 this was written as part of a textbook years ago, so no tax dollars were involved since he was only hired in 2009.

#2 you're naive to think that minds on all levels in all countries don't theorize this stuff.  Yes, you and everyone you know would support sterilizing a woman after her 3rd kid if we were in a worldwide famine and you and yours were starving to death.

Dude, stop being so whiny and dramatic about something theoretical from an old textbook that the other author may have included.  We can't take you seriously on issues you're CORRECT on, like cap/trade, because we're too busy sifting thru your threads about small whiny things, or outright lies (2 million on beck day or sec service agent fired).




You know, 33, no offense dude, but YOU sound like the whiny liberal here.  "but, but, but, this guy once co-wrote something..."  face it, Obama starts sterilizing women tomorow and he loses office by a landslide.  But if we're starving to death, hell yes, I support stopping people from having ten kids and asking the state for a handout.  


sack up bro.  Tell us what a POS cap/trade is, and a better solution for healthcare.  

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 07:47:49 AM »
240 - this guy believes this now you idiot. 

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 07:48:35 AM »
33,

What do you think is a good population for the earth?

I know you'd argue for giving guns to schoolchildren if Obama opposed it, but think for a minute.  

population control won't change life here - US population is actually declining a bit.

It WILL mean those folks on the other side of the world having babies by the dozen and sucking down resources we will need, might slow down.  Education is ideal, as is handing out rubbers.  But if some of those people living in poverty stop having 11 kids, it's a VERY good thing.  

maybe you shuld close your eyes and picture the world with too many people.  Imagine 320 million americans and 18 billion people living in the rest of the world.  You think oil is expensive now?  ;)

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 07:49:23 AM »
240 - this guy believes this now you idiot. 

he write it in 1970.  Population control was a HUGE issue back then.  And it SHOULD be today, with the growth of overseas population in squalor.

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 07:50:03 AM »
33,

What do you think is a good population for the earth?

I know you'd argue for giving guns to schoolchildren if Obama opposed it, but think for a minute.  

population control won't change life here - US population is actually declining a bit.

It WILL mean those folks on the other side of the world having babies by the dozen and sucking down resources we will need, might slow down.  Education is ideal, as is handing out rubbers.  But if some of those people living in poverty stop having 11 kids, it's a VERY good thing.  

maybe you shuld close your eyes and picture the world with too many people.  Imagine 320 million americans and 18 billion people living in the rest of the world.  You think oil is expensive now?  ;)

240 - every post of your you sink to newe depths defending the indefensible.  

Just admit Obama is the radical we said he was and be done with it.  

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 07:51:53 AM »
Dude, take off your CT hat for 5 minutes.

It's in EVERYBODY'S best interest (in this world of limited reources) to try to encourage people in poor countries not to have a dozen children they can't feed.  if they have 2 kids, they can work and improve their lot.  They have 10 kids and their lot is breastfeeding for 15 years.

We SHOULD be educating poor people in africa and middle east on birth control.  it would prevent a lot of wars downthe road, and make living conditions a lot better here.

never mind.  You're a pissy partisan.  We're talking limited global resources here, and you're pissing yourself crying about CTs.  

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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 07:54:09 AM »
Dude, take off your CT hat for 5 minutes.

It's in EVERYBODY'S best interest (in this world of limited reources) to try to encourage people in poor countries not to have a dozen children they can't feed.  if they have 2 kids, they can work and improve their lot.  They have 10 kids and their lot is breastfeeding for 15 years.

We SHOULD be educating poor people in africa and middle east on birth control.  it would prevent a lot of wars downthe road, and make living conditions a lot better here.

never mind.  You're a pissy partisan.  We're talking limited global resources here, and you're pissing yourself crying about CTs.  

Stop spinning like a top. 

He said it was permissable in this country under the constitution. 

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 07:56:16 AM »
He said it was permissable in this country under the constitution. 

Do you support sterilizing a welfare mom after kid #3 pops out, if grocery store shelves are bare and we're eating bark off trees to survive?

yes or no?

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 08:01:18 AM »
Dude, take off your CT hat for 5 minutes.

It's in EVERYBODY'S best interest (in this world of limited reources) to try to encourage people in poor countries not to have a dozen children they can't feed.  if they have 2 kids, they can work and improve their lot.  They have 10 kids and their lot is breastfeeding for 15 years.

We SHOULD be educating poor people in africa and middle east on birth control.  it would prevent a lot of wars downthe road, and make living conditions a lot better here.

never mind.  You're a pissy partisan.  We're talking limited global resources here, and you're pissing yourself crying about CTs.  


Brilliant idea, no really, you have all these people all over the world that are pissed at America for whatever reason now we are going to tell them how many kids they can have and to use birth control. And how is not having as many kids going to make their living conditions any better? The fucking places are war zones, there is no industry there are no jobs.
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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 08:04:22 AM »
Do you support sterilizing a welfare mom after kid #3 pops out, if grocery store shelves are bare and we're eating bark off trees to survive?

yes or no?

He was arguing for FORCED ABORTION.  its not the same thing. 

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 08:08:06 AM »
Do you support sterilizing a welfare mom after kid #3 pops out, if grocery store shelves are bare and we're eating bark off trees to survive?

yes or no?

I don't support welfare for a woman who's only qualification for being a mother is a working uterus.
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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 08:52:19 AM »
He was arguing for FORCED ABORTION.  its not the same thing. 

I concede that.

To answer my Q, Do you support sterilizing a welfare mom after kid #3 pops out, if grocery store shelves are bare and we're eating bark off trees to survive?

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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2009, 08:53:44 AM »
I concede that.

To answer my Q, Do you support sterilizing a welfare mom after kid #3 pops out, if grocery store shelves are bare and we're eating bark off trees to survive?


My emotional side says yes, my thinking side says no. 

So, I have to say no. 

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 08:55:48 AM »
My emotional side says yes, my thinking side says no. 

So, I have to say no. 

I would think it'd be the other way around.  If you want food on your shelves, gas for the car, etc, you have to preserve resources.

This huge population growth isn't americans.  we're shrinking.  It's poor people on that side of the world with no way to feed them. 

if they didn't reproduce at this rate, and the world's population was only 4 bil today, gas and food would be plenty cheaper - do you agree?

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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2009, 09:05:38 AM »
Dude, take off your CT hat for 5 minutes.

It's in EVERYBODY'S best interest (in this world of limited reources) to try to encourage people in poor countries not to have a dozen children they can't feed.  if they have 2 kids, they can work and improve their lot.  They have 10 kids and their lot is breastfeeding for 15 years.

We SHOULD be educating poor people in africa and middle east on birth control.  it would prevent a lot of wars downthe road, and make living conditions a lot better here.

never mind.  You're a pissy partisan.  We're talking limited global resources here, and you're pissing yourself crying about CTs.  
LOL its the chicken in the egg concept 240 the reason these ppl have so many children is b/c resources are so scarce or the expectancy for their children to reach maturity is low.

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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2009, 10:16:34 AM »
My emotional side says yes, my thinking side says no. 

So, I have to say no. 

you have a thinking side?

I that the side that touches the chair when you sit down?

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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2009, 10:17:57 AM »
you have a thinking side?

I that the side that touches the chair when you sit down?

No, thats the side that owns you in every argument we have.   

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2009, 10:20:03 AM »
LOL its the chicken in the egg concept 240 the reason these ppl have so many children is b/c resources are so scarce or the expectancy for their children to reach maturity is low.

They have 10 kids because resources are scarce?

Um, no.  They've been doing that for 100s of years.  It's only now with modern medicine that they're all living to be 60 or 70 as well, delivering 12 of their own kids.

Now that we have resources and medicine, etc - they're still having lots of babies.  This strains world resources.  

If you had a 16 year old daughter, you wouldn't want her to spit out 4 kids by the age of 20, because you know it would be YOUR time and resources needed for those kids.  It's like that.  I don't want 1 billion people becoming 3 billion in 30 years.... because oil will cost a lot more here.  Selfish, I know.

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Re: Obama's Science Czar Holdren: "Constitution backs compulsory abortion"
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2009, 10:24:27 AM »
No, thats the side that owns you in every argument we have.   

dude - you own yourself every time you post on this site


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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2009, 10:26:15 AM »
dude - you own yourself every time you post on this site



Other than the SS thread, which I admit to screwing up, what have I owned myself with?  I want specific examples. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2009, 10:34:03 AM »
Other than the SS thread, which I admit to screwing up, what have I owned myself with?  I want specific examples. 

anytime you start a thread about Obama being a socialist, marxist, communist, etc... you're owning yourself and killing your own credibility.

If we wanted to hear a nutjob rant about socialism we could just watch Glenn Beck

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2009, 10:41:15 AM »
anytime you start a thread about Obama being a socialist, marxist, communist, etc... you're owning yourself and killing your own credibility.

If we wanted to hear a nutjob rant about socialism we could just watch Glenn Beck

Just listen to the clips I posted in the other thread re: Hitler.

Obama expresses sadness that the SC did not impose the textbook definition of marxism on our nation.