Author Topic: FDA searches bodybuilding.com HQ (Read 12570 times)

burn2live · « **Reply #50 on:** September 26, 2009, 04:09:42 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on September 25, 2009, 04:44:21 PM

I am licking my chops thinking about all the noobs I am gonna get to pwn when their board gets shut down by the fbi and the posters are forced to come here.

Best post in this thread. lol

musclecenter · « **Reply #51 on:** September 27, 2009, 04:15:56 AM »

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-supplementsearch&prov=ap&type=lgns

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/25/sports/baseball/25doping.html?em

HTexan · « **Reply #52 on:** September 27, 2009, 04:15:42 PM »

one day after the Mr. O

LurkerNoMore · « **Reply #53 on:** September 27, 2009, 06:14:41 PM »

so will the typical idiot defenders (read : chic) come on here and try to downplay it like the Lee Thompson fiasco?

TechnoViking · « **Reply #54 on:** September 27, 2009, 11:21:55 PM »

What are they putting in Lana's eggwhites?

LatsMcGee · « **Reply #55 on:** September 28, 2009, 03:30:37 AM »

They are going to Layne Norton's house next.

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #56 on:** September 28, 2009, 10:37:38 AM »

maybe he will say that once you cross the I's and dot the T's the numbers dont add up

Ron · « **Reply #57 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:04:14 PM »

Same issues as others who are getting raided. If the compounds that some of the manufacturers are in a shady area, hence...

What we need is a clear list of which products are like that, not go raid some company or manufacturer and then let the stores, distributors and other retail outlets worry about it.

Kinda like buying a cold medicine in Indiana, and then trying to buy another one in less than 7 days. You can get arrested for that.

In any case, a statement from bodybuilding.com should be coming soon.

Interesting timing though...

Playboy · « **Reply #58 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:17:47 PM »

Serves them right for selling online.

HTexan · « **Reply #59 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:54:15 PM »

Quote from: Ron on September 28, 2009, 01:04:14 PM

Same issues as others who are getting raided. If the compounds that some of the manufacturers are in a shady area, hence...

What we need is a clear list of which products are like that, not go raid some company or manufacturer and then let the stores, distributors and other retail outlets worry about it.

Kinda like buying a cold medicine in Indiana, and then trying to buy another one in less than 7 days. You can get arrested for that.

In any case, a statement from bodybuilding.com should be coming soon.

Interesting timing though...

So the FDA don't release a statement about these products being bannedbefore the raid?

emn1964 · « **Reply #60 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:57:32 PM »

Quote from: Ron on September 28, 2009, 01:04:14 PM

Same issues as others who are getting raided. If the compounds that some of the manufacturers are in a shady area, hence...

What we need is a clear list of which products are like that, not go raid some company or manufacturer and then let the stores, distributors and other retail outlets worry about it.

Kinda like buying a cold medicine in Indiana, and then trying to buy another one in less than 7 days. You can get arrested for that.

In any case, a statement from bodybuilding.com should be coming soon.

Interesting timing though...

Apparently they received warning letters from the FDA about which products were banned. Why would they then keep selling them? They would be begging for government attention.

Albert Schmidt · « **Reply #61 on:** September 29, 2009, 07:41:00 PM »

Things that just WON'T go away.

Albert Schmidt · « **Reply #62 on:** September 30, 2009, 09:18:45 PM »

Wow Vince are you saying you warned them about Selling Illegal Drugs?

??

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #63 on:** September 30, 2009, 09:24:28 PM »

maybe caliburshitness is next on the DEA hit list

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #64 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:22:41 AM »

Quote from: Albert Schmidt on September 30, 2009, 09:18:45 PM

Wow Vince are you saying you warned them about Selling Illegal Drugs???

There were open solicitations and they had an AAS board specifically for trafficking anabolic steroids, they were selling prohormore and they had reps that were running around screaming we have the best steroids, get them before they are seized.

It wasn't just me it was a lot of people that warned Ryan about this matter but he and his staff failed to listen to anyone. I guess with all the money rolling in, it was hard to resist

Ron · « **Reply #65 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:10:46 AM »

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So the FDA don't release a statement about these products being bannedbefore the raid?

Whatever warning letters they got, or any distributor gets, they comply with. Simple as that. The problem is that on some items, there is no warning letters, and in this case, it looks like they just went into there and started to check every item they think is a pro-hormone. Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.

The problem is that many of us would like a simple place where we can check on products.

It is easier to go after the distributor or store instead of the manufacturer.

If the FDA wanted these products to be gone, all they needed to do with give a site saying 'These products are considered steroid like pro-hormones and should not be sold'. Then, they would be removed from the stores, sites, etc.

It is much easier to go in with a bang, raid the retail stores outlets, and create a brew-ha-ha with the media than actually taking care of the problem.

They did it the right way with ephedra a few years back. They sent a warning letter to all, posted on the website, give a list of products, and said any items that contain this compounds or this brand name after this date will be considered illegal.

So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.

Simple as that.

karu · « **Reply #66 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:15:47 AM »

Is Chick at such a loss for words, that you are doing PR for him?

Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2009, 10:10:46 AM

Whatever warning letters they got, or any distributor gets, they comply with. Simple as that. The problem is that on some items, there is no warning letters, and in this case, it looks like they just went into there and started to check every item they think is a pro-hormone. Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.

The problem is that many of us would like a simple place where we can check on products.

It is easier to go after the distributor or store instead of the manufacturer.

If the FDA wanted these products to be gone, all they needed to do with give a site saying 'These products are considered steroid like pro-hormones and should not be sold'. Then, they would be removed from the stores, sites, etc.

It is much easier to go in with a bang, raid the retail stores outlets, and create a brew-ha-ha with the media than actually taking care of the problem.

They did it the right way with ephedra a few years back. They sent a warning letter to all, posted on the website, give a list of products, and said any items that contain this compounds or this brand name after this date will be considered illegal.

So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.

Simple as that.

Chick · « **Reply #67 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:13:36 PM »

Quote from: karu on October 01, 2009, 10:15:47 AM

Is Chick at such a loss for words, that you are doing PR for him?

No...he's just explaining the obvious, which I see needs to be explained to you

liberalismo · « **Reply #68 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:20:23 PM »

Stupid

emn1964 · « **Reply #69 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:24:37 PM »

Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2009, 10:10:46 AM

Whatever warning letters they got, or any distributor gets, they comply with. Simple as that. The problem is that on some items, there is no warning letters, and in this case, it looks like they just went into there and started to check every item they think is a pro-hormone. Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.

The problem is that many of us would like a simple place where we can check on products.

It is easier to go after the distributor or store instead of the manufacturer.

If the FDA wanted these products to be gone, all they needed to do with give a site saying 'These products are considered steroid like pro-hormones and should not be sold'. Then, they would be removed from the stores, sites, etc.

It is much easier to go in with a bang, raid the retail stores outlets, and create a brew-ha-ha with the media than actually taking care of the problem.

They did it the right way with ephedra a few years back. They sent a warning letter to all, posted on the website, give a list of products, and said any items that contain this compounds or this brand name after this date will be considered illegal.

So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.

Simple as that.

Actually Ron, a product list does exist. It's the schedule in the US Code. It covers certain metabolites that are contained in the very products they sold. They did not seize anything that was not already illegal. And its not the governments job to test everything for the wholesaler and then post a list of what is banned. That's the job of the mfg and the sellers. BB.com is gonna get charged with distribution of a controlled substance. Like it or not, that's the outcome here.

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #70 on:** October 01, 2009, 12:43:42 PM »

Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2009, 10:10:46 AM

Whatever warning letters they got, or any distributor gets, they comply with. Simple as that. The problem is that on some items, there is no warning letters, and in this case, it looks like they just went into there and started to check every item they think is a pro-hormone. Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.

The problem is that many of us would like a simple place where we can check on products.

It is easier to go after the distributor or store instead of the manufacturer.

If the FDA wanted these products to be gone, all they needed to do with give a site saying 'These products are considered steroid like pro-hormones and should not be sold'. Then, they would be removed from the stores, sites, etc.

It is much easier to go in with a bang, raid the retail stores outlets, and create a brew-ha-ha with the media than actually taking care of the problem.

They did it the right way with ephedra a few years back. They sent a warning letter to all, posted on the website, give a list of products, and said any items that contain this compounds or this brand name after this date will be considered illegal.

So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.

Simple as that.

Ephedra is an herbal root while the stuff they are selling are anabolic steroids. They can call it a prohormone if they like but prohormones are banned anyway. That's why the Feds are raiding these facilities including IFORCE today.

Ron · « **Reply #71 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:17:40 PM »

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Actually Ron, a product list does exist. It's the schedule in the US Code. It covers certain metabolites that are contained in the very products they sold. They did not seize anything that was not already illegal.

Really, a product list... can you give me the link for that.. it will help me and others..

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #72 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:58:45 PM »

Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2009, 10:10:46 AM

Bodybuilding.com does not sell steroids - they are pro-hormones.

They do sell anabolic steroids. If it is illegal to sell them is debatable, but they are anabolic steroids technically speaking. Patrick Arnold did time for supplying substances not more illegal than the ones sold by bb.com. Madol was one steroid Patrick supplied to athletes and is also one bb.com has been selling. If PA was in the wrong then why isn't bb.com also? It's also telling that the biggest supplement players don't touch these substances - they knew they are potential legal trouble.

Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2009, 04:17:40 PM

Really, a product list... can you give me the link for that.. it will help me and others..

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The following is the government list of products alleged to contain anabolic steroids and unapproved/misbranded new drugs and fraudulently marketed as dietary supplements.

   1. 4EVER FIT D-Drol
   2. ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Dienedrone
   3. ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Liquidrone UTT
   4. ANABOLIC XTREME Hyperdrol H2
   5. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Mastavol
   6. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Revamp
   7. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ultra Mass Stack
   8. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ripped Stack
   9. BETTER BODY SPORTS Finadex
  10. BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Drol
  11. BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Phlexed
  12. BODY CONDITIONING SOLUTIONS TestraFLEX
  13. BJORKLUND Methyldrostanolone
  14. BOSC ENTERPRISES Epi-Tren
  15. BOSC ENTERPRISES Magna Drol
  16. CHAPARRAL LABS Epivol
  17. CHAPARRAL LABS Pheravol-V
  18. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS M-Drol
  19. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS P-Plex
  20. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS X-tren
  21. DIABOLIC LABS Epio-Plex
  22. DIABOLIC LABS Finabolic 50
  23. DIABOLIC LABS Revenge
  24. ERGOPHARM 6-OXO
  25. ERGOPHARM 6-OXO Extreme
  26. EST (aka ENGINEERED SPORTS TECHNOLOGY) MethAnstance
  27. EXTREME LABS Susto-Test Depot = This is GetItOnNY's product
  28. FIZOGEN ON Cycle II Hardcore
  29. GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) SUS-500
  30. GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) Tren-250
  31. HARDCORE FORMULATIONS T-Roid
  32. IFORCE NUTRITION 1,4 AD Bold 200
  33. IFORCE NUTRITION 17a PheraFLEX
  34. IFORCE NUTRITION Dymethazine
  35. IFORCE NUTRITION Methadrol
  36. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Bromodrol
  37. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Grow Tabs TR
  38. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Mass Tabs
  39. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Oxodrol Pro
  40. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Ripped Tabs TR
  41. KILO SPORTS Massdrol
  42. KILO SPORTS Phera-Mass
  43. KILO SPORTS Trenadrol
  44. MONSTER CAPS Monster Caps
  45. MYOGENIX Spawn
  46. NUTRA COASTAL D-Stianozol
  47. NUTRA COASTAL H-Drol
  48. NUTRA COASTAL S-Drol
  49. NUTRA COASTAL Trena
  50. PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Methastadrol
  51. PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Tri-Methyl X
  52. PURUS LABS E-pol Inslinsified
  53. PURUS LABS Nasty Mass
  54. RAGE RV2
  55. RAGE RV3
  56. RAGE RV4
  57. RAGE RV5
  58. REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex 550-XD
  59. REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex Ripped
  60. TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Extreme Mass
  61. TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Lean Mass

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/09/25/bodybuilding-com-raided-in-criminal-steroid-investigation-on-eve-of-ifbb-olympia-weekend/

Quote from: Ron on October 01, 2009, 10:10:46 AM

So come on now, all we need is a simple list saying 'IFORCE so and so product' is not considered standard by DSHEA and is subject to seizure.

Simple as that.

Here's Patrick Arnold's view on what is DSHEA compliant among the "pro-hormones" sold today. Some may say he's biased but I'm inclined to believe he understands the law pretty well.

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1) there really are no actual prohormones out there anymore other than 11-oxo, epiadrosterone, dhea, androsterone. these all stick by the principles that the original prohormones were meant to stand by. All true prohormones have a check on abuse potential because of the limitations of conversion in the body to active hormones. There was an argument for them until people starting selling stuff like 1-test and then the methyls. That ruined any defense we had

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many of these products have zero evidence of being dshea compliant so they would be easy to pull off the market under current law.

Chick · « **Reply #73 on:** October 02, 2009, 06:07:53 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on October 02, 2009, 05:58:45 PM

They do sell anabolic steroids. If it is illegal to sell them is debatable, but they are anabolic steroids technically speaking. Patrick Arnold did time for supplying substances not more illegal than the ones sold by bb.com. Madol was one steroid Patrick supplied to athletes and is also one bb.com has been selling. If PA was in the wrong then why isn't bb.com also? It's also telling that the biggest supplement players don't touch these substances - they knew they are potential legal trouble.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/09/25/bodybuilding-com-raided-in-criminal-steroid-investigation-on-eve-of-ifbb-olympia-weekend/

The whole issue is what the govt "considers" a steroid...not to long ago, pro-hormones were just that, and NOT considered a steroid...then the govt said they were. Now you have a myriad of other supps in the same situation.

If they get it passed, the ONLY thing you'll be able to get is protein powder

Either way, it's ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer money

noworries · « **Reply #74 on:** October 02, 2009, 06:09:30 PM »

The following is the government list of products alleged to contain anabolic steroids and unapproved/misbranded new drugs and fraudulently marketed as dietary supplements or just plain worthless.

   1. 4EVER FIT D-Drol
   2. ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Dienedrone
   3. ADVANCED MUSCLE SCIENCE Liquidrone UTT
   4. ANABOLIC XTREME Hyperdrol H2
   5. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Mastavol
   6. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Revamp
   7. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ultra Mass Stack
   8. APS (aka ADVANCE MUSCLE SCIENCE) Ripped Stack
   9. BETTER BODY SPORTS Finadex
  10. BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Drol
  11. BLACK CHINA LABS Straight Phlexed
  12. BODY CONDITIONING SOLUTIONS TestraFLEX
  13. BJORKLUND Methyldrostanolone
  14. BOSC ENTERPRISES Epi-Tren
  15. BOSC ENTERPRISES Magna Drol
  16. CHAPARRAL LABS Epivol
  17. CHAPARRAL LABS Pheravol-V
  18. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS M-Drol
  19. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS P-Plex
  20. COMPETITIVE EDGE LABS X-tren
  21. DIABOLIC LABS Epio-Plex
  22. DIABOLIC LABS Finabolic 50
  23. DIABOLIC LABS Revenge
  24. ERGOPHARM 6-OXO
  25. ERGOPHARM 6-OXO Extreme
  26. EST (aka ENGINEERED SPORTS TECHNOLOGY) MethAnstance
  27. EXTREME LABS Susto-Test Depot = This is GetItOnNY's product
  28. FIZOGEN ON Cycle II Hardcore
  29. GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) SUS-500
  30. GET (GENETIC EDGE TECHNOLOGIES) Tren-250
  31. HARDCORE FORMULATIONS T-Roid
  32. IFORCE NUTRITION 1,4 AD Bold 200
  33. IFORCE NUTRITION 17a PheraFLEX
  34. IFORCE NUTRITION Dymethazine
  35. IFORCE NUTRITION Methadrol
  36. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Bromodrol
  37. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Grow Tabs TR
  38. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Mass Tabs
  39. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Oxodrol Pro
  40. IDS (aka INNOVATIVE DELIVERY SYSTEMS) Ripped Tabs TR
  41. KILO SPORTS Massdrol
  42. KILO SPORTS Phera-Mass
  43. KILO SPORTS Trenadrol
  44. MONSTER CAPS Monster Caps
  45. MYOGENIX Spawn
  46. NUTRA COASTAL D-Stianozol
  47. NUTRA COASTAL H-Drol
  48. NUTRA COASTAL S-Drol
  49. NUTRA COASTAL Trena
  50. PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Methastadrol
  51. PERFORMANCE ANABOLICS Tri-Methyl X
  52. PURUS LABS E-pol Inslinsified
  53. PURUS LABS Nasty Mass
  54. RAGE RV2
  55. RAGE RV3
  56. RAGE RV4
  57. RAGE RV5
  58. REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex 550-XD
  59. REDEFINE NUTRITION Finaflex Ripped
  60. TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Extreme Mass
  61. TRANSFORM SUPPLEMENTS Forged Lean Mass
62. CALIBER FITNESS Bee Pollen
  63. CALIBER FITNESS Magic Stick
  64. CALIBER FITNESS Two-Headed Dildo for Men
  65. CALIBER FITNESS Blow-up Pale White Vissy Doll
  66. CALIBER FITNESS Darker Skin Tone for Bodybuilding Contests
  67. CALIBER FITNESS Stupidity and Delusional Pills (180 caps and 900 caps)
  68. CALIBER FITNESS Arm Lengthier Pills
  69. CALIBER FITNESS Mirror (makes you look good even when you look like shit)