Dude give it a fucking rest. Those vidoes don't rule out shit. Natural is a subjective term. You don't get into that condition with food, protein powder, and creatine. Ephedrine/ECA, prohormones, T3, clen, etc. are all not considered natural. Plus Layne's admitted to using prohormones before. You probably believe Clarence Bass was natual too even though he wasn't "that" big. LMAO! Go back to jacking off to barely 18 pussy kid! Leave the bodybuilding critique to those more experienced.