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'Nuts' To Copenhagen
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Posted 09/29/2009 07:02 PM ET


Climate: As alternate-energy champ Spain's green economy slides into recession, a German professor says if American "climate illiterates" don't follow, the Copenhagen climate conference will fail. And the bad news is?

King Canute, the Viking king of England, Norway and Denmark, was the legendary king whose sycophantic followers praised his power and wisdom. As the story goes, he once stood on the shore and commanded the waves to halt. Rather than exercising his ego, he in fact was giving his followers a lesson in reality — the power of man over nature is finite and inconsequential.

In December, the world's kings and princes will journey to Copenhagen, Denmark, for climate change talks in hopes of replacing the failed Kyoto Protocol. Kyoto didn't change Earth's climate a wit, but it did burden the economy of any nation that embraced it.

Professor John Schellnhuber of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, an adviser to the German government, thinks Copenhagen may also be a failure, largely because the U.S. refuses to line up behind the rest of the climate lemmings and follow them over an economic cliff.

Speaking at an Oxford University climate science conference on Monday, Schellnhuber blamed the U.S. for a decade of inaction caused by President George W. Bush. Ironically, it was a decade where the sun grew quiet and the Earth cooled as result.

Yet, ignoring the empirical evidence, he says it's we American cowboys who are "climate illiterates" for actually looking at the Earth's thermometer and daring to notice the snow in Malibu.

The Oxford conference is centered on a study predicting a 4-degree Celsius rise in global temperatures as soon as 2060-2070. Schellnhuber mourns our failure to embrace economic ruin and pass cap-and-trade legislation such as Waxman-Markey, warning: "If the U.S. doesn't move then nothing will happen."

Gee, we hope so.

Spain has been held up as a green-jobs success story, the example of what a green economy should look like. Then a study led by Gabriel Calzada of King Juan Carlos University showed that each new "green job" came at the expense of two others in the private sector.

After Spain's decade-long effort, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the U.K. Telegraph notes: "Spain is sliding into a full-blown economic depression with unemployment approaching levels not seen since the Second Republic of the 1930s." Unemployment, including thousands of "green" workers, hit 18.5% in July.

Spain's failure with renewable energy should give everyone pause. Even after $43 billion in subsidies, solar energy still accounts for less than 1% of Spain's total electric output. Spain has also embraced wind power, but clearly the wind is not at its back.

We are not climate illiterates, Professor Schellnhuber; we can clearly read the writing on the wall. It tells us the Earth is cooling and that pacts like Kyoto are recipes for global poverty that will be all pain and no gain.

According to an analysis by Chip Knappenberger, administrator of the World Climate Report, the reduction of U.S. CO2 emissions to 80% below 2005 levels by 2050 — the goal of Waxman-Markey — would only reduce global temperature in 2050 by an insignificant 0.05 degree Celsius.

Since Al Gore released his feature-length cartoon, "An Inconvenient Truth," in 2006, the Earth has cooled about 0.74 degree Fahrenheit, almost the same amount that the U.N.'s climate panel, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claims was gained in the entire 20th century.

An analysis of the Waxman-Markey bill by the Heritage Foundation projects that by 2035 it would reduce aggregate gross domestic product by $7.4 trillion. In an average year, 844,000 jobs would be destroyed. Is it worth such economic damage?

Our answer to Copenhagen's and Professor Schellnhuber's demand for economic surrender should be the same as that given by a great American during another cold European winter: "Nuts!"

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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 05:38:50 AM »
Glaciers receding in Greenland if you want to check it out. They can now plant vegetables and everything - but maybe you're too busy listening to the propaganda channel.

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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 05:54:25 AM »
Glaciers receding in Greenland if you want to check it out. They can now plant vegetables and everything - but maybe you're too busy listening to the propaganda channel.

Watch this genius in action and grasp what he is saying.  BTW - how does giving Goldman Sachs billions of tax dollars do anything about the environment? 


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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 06:03:39 AM »
I'm sorry - I read the post - it implied there was no global warming. Then I did a search on receding glaciers in Greenland (I mean yeah I had seen a program on it) and bing lots and lots of hits. So if they can't get one simple thing straight why bother with the rest of it? I mean really I have better things to do.

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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 06:26:51 AM »
I'm sorry - I read the post - it implied there was no global warming. Then I did a search on receding glaciers in Greenland (I mean yeah I had seen a program on it) and bing lots and lots of hits. So if they can't get one simple thing straight why bother with the rest of it? I mean really I have better things to do.

Why do you think it is called Greenland in the first place? 

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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 08:24:37 AM »
Why do you think it is called Greenland in the first place?  

You're debating with a guy that says there are no racists in Australia, at least not real racist racists.

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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 08:59:36 AM »
Why do you think it is called Greenland in the first place? 

Obviously because it was covered in ice, when the vikings discovered it ::)
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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 09:05:19 AM »
Obviously because it was covered in ice, when the vikings discovered it ::)

These enviro-freaks are worse than the religious fundies.  They seriously have cast away one God for another. 

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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 09:22:13 AM »
Watch this genius in action and grasp what he is saying.  BTW - how does giving Goldman Sachs billions of tax dollars do anything about the environment? 


So a comedian is a trustworthy source of environmental and earth related issues? I see why you think like you do.  You agree and follow anyone with a similar thought process as you without thinking outside of the box.

BTW he kind of contradicts himself don't you think? He says don't save the endangered species because we are the ones who made it like that, just quit meddling with them.  Our meddling so to speak.  Same can be said for the planet.  Nothing is natural about having plastics in the ocean, toxic sewage in the water and greenhouse gasses being released at unsustainable levels.  So by his thought train - quit meddling.  Quit using coal, quit dumping plastics, quit dumping sewage.  I mean he's all against meddling and that is meddling with the Earth is it not?
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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 09:24:16 AM »
Why do you think it is called Greenland in the first place? 

Haha you can't be serious?
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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 09:26:15 AM »
Haha you can't be serious?

Look it up. 

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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2009, 09:32:04 AM »
Look it up. 

it was called greenland and iceland to fool people and/or entice them to go to greenland, considering it's basically a monster glacier. 
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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2009, 09:35:31 AM »
it was called greenland and iceland to fool people and/or entice them to go to greenland, considering it's basically a monster glacier. 

Damn that sneaky son of a bitch, Leif Ericson  ::)
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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2009, 09:39:40 AM »
From Wikipedia
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From 986 AD, Greenland's west coast was colonised by Icelanders and Norwegians in two settlements on fjords near the southwestern-most tip of the island.[8] They shared the island with the late Dorset culture inhabitants who occupied the northern and eastern parts, and later with the Thule culture arriving from the north. The settlements, such as Brattahliđ, thrived for centuries but disappeared some time in the 15th century, perhaps at the onset of the Little Ice Age.[9] It is debated[who?] whether data from ice cores indicate that between 800 and 1300 AD the regions around the fjords of southern Greenland experienced a mild climate, with trees and herbaceous plants growing and livestock being farmed. What is verifiable is that the ice cores indicate Greenland has experienced dramatic temperature shifts many times over the past 100,000 years - which makes it possible to say that areas of Greenland may have been much warmer during the medieval period than they are now and that the ice sheet contracted significantly.[10][/color]


And you wonder why I say man-made global warming is a cult by people who threw away their birth religion for Al Gore's Cult? ? ? 

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2009, 09:43:48 AM »
From Wikipedia
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From 986 AD, Greenland's west coast was colonised by Icelanders and Norwegians in two settlements on fjords near the southwestern-most tip of the island.[8] They shared the island with the late Dorset culture inhabitants who occupied the northern and eastern parts, and later with the Thule culture arriving from the north. The settlements, such as Brattahliđ, thrived for centuries but disappeared some time in the 15th century, perhaps at the onset of the Little Ice Age.[9] It is debated[who?] whether data from ice cores indicate that between 800 and 1300 AD the regions around the fjords of southern Greenland experienced a mild climate, with trees and herbaceous plants growing and livestock being farmed. What is verifiable is that the ice cores indicate Greenland has experienced dramatic temperature shifts many times over the past 100,000 years - which makes it possible to say that areas of Greenland may have been much warmer during the medieval period than they are now and that the ice sheet contracted significantly.[10][/color]


And you wonder why I say man-made global warming is a cult by people who threw away their birth religion for Al Gore's Cult? ? ? 

I thought you didn't believe in science?  Is it only when it agrees with you?

No one is disputing there are green areas on greenland esp in the summer. 
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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2009, 10:09:15 AM »
I thought you didn't believe in science?  Is it only when it agrees with you?

No one is disputing there are green areas on greenland esp in the summer. 


i did not say I dont believe in science.  I dont believe we can or do control the earth.  We are a tiny spec who will eventually die out like everything before us and everything after us. 

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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2009, 11:07:19 AM »
Its all due to cow flatulance
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Re: 'Nuts' To Copenhagen (More on the failure of the "Green" movement)
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2009, 06:25:04 PM »
damn those cows - we'll have to get rid of them - they're so good for eating too  :'(