Questions for liberals on health care bill

[tonymctones]

Well this has to be at the top of stupid liberal logic.  They contribute to social security by COMMITTING A CRIME and as such they should be rewarded for it.  Makes perfect sense.     We'll put that up there with burglars entering a home and the suing the homeowner when they get hurt.

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^THIS^ hahahhahaahahah

also most illegals get paid in cash they dont have fake SS numbers lol
doggity I live in houston and worked in CONSTRUCTION no less im sure i have more first hand knowledge of this then you...

[tonymctones]

How about this for a novel idea: Lets shut down all US bases on foreign soil.
Move those troops to the Mexico border and around airports and coastal areas.
Save money while raising security at home. Why should USA have to pay for the safety of other nations?

heres an even better idea hedge how about we quit giving free health care to them? they would probably stop coming over and we wouldnt have to lend one more man to the borders...

some times the best solutions are sitting right there in front of your face...

[Al Doggity]

Well this has to be at the top of stupid liberal logic.  They contribute to social security by COMMITTING A CRIME and as such they should be rewarded for it.  Makes perfect sense.     We'll put that up there with burglars entering a home and the suing the homeowner when they get hurt.

  The two things are not even comparable. The silent underclass buoys the economy. In the last twenty years, budget projections have always included the money illegals would not be taking out of the system. Remember how Bush's immigration reform policies were unappealing to both the right and the left? Realistically, no White House, conservative or liberal, would want to get any immigration refrom pushed through.With the status quo, illegals are actually profitable for the country. In any reform scenario, the country plunges into a budget crisis.


That being said, beyond being ethical, it is smart policy and in the country's best interest to keep them healthy and turn a blind eye.

[Al Doggity]

also most illegals get paid in cash they dont have fake SS numbers lol
doggity I live in houston and worked in CONSTRUCTION no less im sure i have more first hand knowledge of this then you...

This is not accurate.

[Soul Crusher]

This is not accurate.

Yes it is.  Cut the crap al, many of know better first hand.  They work for cash to send hime "to their country", while they live like nomads here.  Many live in flophouses and completey destry of neighborhood because of their lifestyles. 

Anywhere there is a huige influx of illegals almost almost accompanies an increase in crime, DWI, slums, blight, etc. 

 

[Al Doggity]

Yes it is.  Cut the crap al, many of know better first hand.  They work for cash to send hime "to their country", while they live like nomads here.  Many live in flophouses and completey destry of neighborhood because of their lifestyles. 

Anywhere there is a huige influx of illegals almost almost accompanies an increase in crime, DWI, slums, blight, etc. 

 

No, it's not accurate. Of course there are many illegals who work off the books, but the majority don't. Those attached jpegs don't change that. These blurbs have a lot of holes I'd like to fill in, but due to time constraints that will have to wait.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/19/business/19illegals.html

More than half of the estimated seven million immigrants toiling illegally in the United States get a regular paycheck every week or two, experts say. At the end of the year they receive a W-2 form. Come April 15, many file income tax returns using special ID numbers issued by the Internal Revenue Service so foreigners can pay taxes. Some even get a refund check in the mail.

As for crime,
http://immigrationimpact.com/2009/07/10/large-immigrant-populations-keep-cities-safe-just-ask-el-paso-tx/

http://reason.com/blog/2009/07/12/more-on-immigration-and-crime

According to a 2008 report from the conservative Americas Majority Foundation, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates. From 1999 to 2006, the total crime rate declined 13.6 percent in the 19 highest-immigration states, compared to a 7.1 percent decline in the other 32 states. In 2006, the 10 “high influx” states—those with the most dramatic, recent increases in immigration—had the lowest rates of violent crime and total crime.

Crime generally comes from the poorest segment of society, so of course there are illegal immigrants who are criminals. However, the idea that the population is a crimewave epidemic is a myth.