Author Topic: No Gran Prix Shows?!?! (Read 6259 times)

disturbia · « **Reply #50 on:** October 18, 2009, 05:42:48 PM »

Chick--serious question---do you know whats happening on the timeout board regarding you and your wife? Elite Lifter wanted me to post this message,...I want no part of this trouble, I am merely the messenger

Chick · « **Reply #51 on:** October 18, 2009, 05:51:08 PM »

I have no idea what you're talking about

medici · « **Reply #52 on:** October 18, 2009, 05:52:09 PM »

What is a Timeout board??

timfogarty · « **Reply #53 on:** October 18, 2009, 05:58:52 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 18, 2009, 05:40:42 PM

it didnt generate any additional attendance either, certainly not enough to justify purse and sanction fee....

what is it with these sanction fees? Chang pays a sanction fee to Manion to hold the Olympia. then he has to pay another to hold the women's physique Olympia, another for the women's figure, another for the women's fitness, another for the women's bikini, and another for the men's under 202? if he decided that there wasn't enough money in women's physique to pay the sanction fee, then would Manion just allow there not to be a women's physique Olympia that year? If no, the contract requires the promoter to hold both men and women's bodybuilding, then they could do the same with the masters. It's Manion who's decided not to have a Men's Masters Olympia.

medici · « **Reply #54 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:00:52 PM »

It's not like the sanction fees are much $:-\$

Chick · « **Reply #55 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:02:40 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on October 18, 2009, 05:58:52 PM

what is it with these sanction fees? Chang pays a sanction fee to Manion to hold the Olympia. then he has to pay another to hold the women's physique Olympia, another for the women's figure, another for the women's fitness, another for the women's bikini, and another for the men's under 202? if he decided that there wasn't enough money in women's physique to pay the sanction fee, then would Manion just allow there not to be a women's physique Olympia that year? If no, the contract requires the promoter to hold both men and women's bodybuilding, then they could do the same with the masters. It's Manion who's decided not to have a Men's Masters Olympia.

No...it's the FANS that have decided not to support a Masters O

As for the FBB, it has operated at a huge loss for years, and they have kept it in, and there are no sanction fee's for FBB...it's a freebee for any promoter that wants to pony up the prize money

medici · « **Reply #56 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:06:52 PM »

So if I put up 10k I can run a FFB show with full IFBB support without any sanction fees???

timfogarty · « **Reply #57 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:18:35 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 18, 2009, 06:02:40 PM

No...it's the FANS that have decided not to support a Masters O

kind of like with Men's bodybuilding in Colorado and Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Fans didn't support those but that doesn't mean you give up on all men's pro bodybuilding.

Quote

As for the FBB, it has operated at a huge loss for years, and they have kept it in, and there are no sanction fee's for FBB...it's a freebee for any promoter that wants to pony up the prize money

so do the same for Masters. give it a chance to develop a fan base.

medici · « **Reply #58 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:23:03 PM »

Wouldn't Chick win the Masters Olympia???

Chick · « **Reply #59 on:** October 18, 2009, 06:47:16 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on October 18, 2009, 06:18:35 PM

kind of like with Men's bodybuilding in Colorado and Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Fans didn't support those but that doesn't mean you give up on all men's pro bodybuilding.

so do the same for Masters. give it a chance to develop a fan base.

Give it a chance??

They did...9 years. Plus the MWC in 06 and the AC pro recently...

We havent given up on all mens BB, it's called learning from your mistakes and realizing that there are areas that are more/ less condusive for support....

colorado tanked, Europa Orlando was created.

PA tanked, Arizona Pro was added this year.

etc

medici · « **Reply #60 on:** October 18, 2009, 07:09:24 PM »

Seems like everyone should be Promoting IFBB Womens Pro shows esp without having any IFBB Sanction Fees.What it's not like 10k is much for prize money to find.

Chick · « **Reply #61 on:** October 18, 2009, 07:15:02 PM »

10K plus all the other expenses with a net return of 0, not exactly rocket science...

karu · « **Reply #62 on:** October 18, 2009, 07:23:13 PM »

bob, I realize that logic is not your forte,

but how does

"bodybuilding is bigger than ever" = no gran prix + canceled weider pro cup ??

Quote from: Chick on October 18, 2009, 07:15:02 PM

10K plus all the other expenses with a net return of 0, not exactly rocket science...

Chick · « **Reply #63 on:** October 18, 2009, 07:28:58 PM »

Quote from: karu on October 18, 2009, 07:23:13 PM

bob, I realize that logic is not your forte,

but how does

"bodybuilding is bigger than ever" = no gran prix + canceled weider pro cup ??

If you want to debate logic...how does a show that has yet to be put on, and a GP which has ebbed and flowed for years, dictate the state of BB?

Not too bright, are you?

medici · « **Reply #64 on:** October 18, 2009, 07:40:32 PM »

Hey Chick how many people go to see a womens BB show??

Chick · « **Reply #65 on:** October 18, 2009, 07:42:03 PM »

timfogarty · « **Reply #66 on:** October 19, 2009, 12:03:15 AM »

Quote from: Chick on October 18, 2009, 06:47:16 PM

Give it a chance?? They did...9 years. Plus the MWC in 06 and the AC pro recently...

yet the Masters Nationals gives out 4 pro cards, including one to the overall 40+, one to the runner up, one to the overall winner of the 50+ and one to the winner of the 60+. why bother if you're not going to have masters pro contests?

Chick · « **Reply #67 on:** October 19, 2009, 04:15:16 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on October 19, 2009, 12:03:15 AM

yes the Masters Nationals gives out 4 pro cards, including one to the overall 40+, one to the runner up, one to the overall winner of the 50+ and one to the winner of the 60+. why bother if you're not going to have masters pro contests?

Agreed. Not my call...I personally wouldnt give out pro cards to Masters

karu · « **Reply #68 on:** October 19, 2009, 10:04:58 AM »

Euro gran prix shows "ebbed and flowed" ??

maybe being the uncultured person that you are, who a hasn't left the US shores, explains your lack of knowledge.

The euro tour as promoted by Wayne was well attended by fans and pros alike back in its heydey.

But you wound't know anything about that, despite being an INTERNATIONAL fedration rep.
btw -the I in IFBB stands for International.

Also, your AMI buddies joe weiders world cup was canceled because
bodybuilding isn't bigger than ever.

hate to burst your bubble. but it must be quite embarrassing to contradict yourself all the time.

you never did answer the question. Maybe its because the answer is you lied?

Quote from: Chick on October 18, 2009, 07:28:58 PM

If you want to debate logic...how does a show that has yet to be put on, and a GP which has ebbed and flowed for years, dictate the state of BB?

Not too bright, are you?

karu · « **Reply #69 on:** October 19, 2009, 10:07:33 AM »

the MAsters world cup 2006 was poorly received because the outcome was predetermined.

the IFBB rep got the win.

what a surprise.

Quote from: Chick on October 18, 2009, 06:47:16 PM

Give it a chance??

They did...9 years. Plus the MWC in 06 and the AC pro recently...

We havent given up on all mens BB, it's called learning from your mistakes and realizing that there are areas that are more/ less condusive for support....

colorado tanked, Europa Orlando was created.

PA tanked, Arizona Pro was added this year.

etc

timfogarty · « **Reply #70 on:** October 19, 2009, 10:18:49 AM »

Quote from: karu on October 19, 2009, 10:04:58 AM

The euro tour as promoted by Wayne was well attended by fans and pros alike back in its heydey.

Euro grand prix shows

1987 - three
1988 - seven
1989 - eight
1990 - six
1991 - six
1992 - four
1993 - eight
1994 - seven
1995 - six
1996 - six
1997 - seven
1998 - two
1999 - one
2000 - two
2001 - two
2002 - three
2003 - four
2004 - three
2005 - zero
2006 - three
2007 - zero
2008 - one
2009 - zero

Chick · « **Reply #71 on:** October 19, 2009, 10:42:01 AM »

Quote from: karu on October 19, 2009, 10:04:58 AM

Euro gran prix shows "ebbed and flowed" ??

Yeah...ebb and flow...look it up, or look at Tim Fogertys list above. Even in Waynes era, there were as many as 7 and as little as 1.

maybe being the uncultured person that you are, who a hasn't left the US shores, explains your lack of knowledge.

The euro tour as promoted by Wayne was well attended by fans and pros alike back in its heydey.

Attended...yes. And some attended poorly, which is why they arent around today

But you wound't know anything about that, despite being an INTERNATIONAL fedration rep.
btw -the I in IFBB stands for International.

Also, your AMI buddies joe weiders world cup was canceled because
bodybuilding isn't bigger than ever.

It was canceled because the numbers werent adding up, plain and simple...the Arnold and Olympia had record numbers

hate to burst your bubble. but it must be quite embarrassing to contradict yourself all the time.

you never did answer the question. Maybe its because the answer is you lied?

Nothing to lie about...you're just ignorant

timfogarty · « **Reply #72 on:** October 19, 2009, 10:58:26 AM »

Quote from: Chick on October 19, 2009, 10:42:01 AM

Yeah...ebb and flow...look it up, or look at Tim Fogertys list above. Even in Waynes era, there were as many as 7 and as little as 1.

I wouldn't call it ebb and flow, which would mean many shows then a few, then many again. There were lots of euro shows between 1988 and 1997, and then very few since. When was Wayne kicked out of the IFBB?

and can't you spell my name right?

Chick · « **Reply #73 on:** October 19, 2009, 11:36:23 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on October 19, 2009, 10:58:26 AM

I wouldn't call it ebb and flow, which would mean many shows then a few, then many again. There were lots of euro shows between 1988 and 1997, and then very few since. When was Wayne kicked out of the IFBB?

and can't you spell my name right?

Cant remember when Wayne was ousted...Maybe 03?

BB was also at it's height betwen 88-97, and im sure it seemed like a great idea to put on a pro show...but it doesnt mean many of them were profitable, and every indication has been that they werent...

New areas get a show...expects a first year loss, tries to break even a second year, assuming they are still game for the profitable 3rd year...you can see where a show can be around for 3-4 years.

Point is, given the economic landscape of the 2000's, the decreased travel abroad, ability to find good promoters in Europe, etc...cant say I'm surprised at th decline of the shows there.

We also see baseball and football teams pack up and move onto a new town more economically viable...doesnt mean the MLB/NFL isnt doing well

karu · « **Reply #74 on:** October 19, 2009, 01:26:32 PM »

The only thing ebbing and flowing are the number of shows that actually come to fruition.

What happened to the dubai, japan , germany shows???

Are those considered "ebbs" ?

Again, I'll pose some complicated logic for you

Numbers weren't adding up for a nmultiple shows (cancelled) = bodybuilding bigger than ever

If you are ignorant, then you will find the above statement to be true.

Being an AMI lackey it is no surprise that you are quick to discount/lie about the success of Demillia's shows.

Quote from: Chick on October 19, 2009, 10:42:01 AM

It was canceled because the numbers werent adding up, plain and simple...

Nothing to lie about...you're just ignorant