its the combination of size and muscle condition,, you do not get to be big muscular with good stage condition or even single digit body fat unless you been to hormones,,, you just dont unless you are an antena and even then its proptionaly wont be big
it has nothing to do with vains,,it has to do with muscle mass and condition ,,
hormone users has the unmistaken look to them ,,its swole look ,,its a distinctive look of that can be seen in 2 places immidatlywith a day ,,delts and face
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