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New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
Zero Hedge ^ | 10/5/09


Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 2:14:55 PM by FromLori

New York State is quickly becoming the next California, as tax revenues drop 36% from 2008 levels, and a dejected governor expressing his frustration with policy measures that continue to not bear fruit. As a reminder the state most reliant on the financial sector, is struggling with a $2.1 billion budget deficit that is still looming despite tax increases, federal aid and spending cuts.

New York State’s income tax revenue has dropped 36 percent from the same period in 2008, Governor David Paterson said, “frustrating” his attempt to close a projected $2.1 billion budget deficit.

“We added personal income tax, which we thought would make the falloff 10 percent to 15 percent,” Paterson, a Democrat, said on CNBC today, referring to $5.2 billion in new or increased taxes. “This is what is so frustrating. It’s still 36 percent, meaning our revenues fell more in 2009 than they did in 2008.”

The budget will still be $2.1 billion in deficit because spending plans exceed revenue projections, the state Division of Budget said July 30. The report predicted deficits of $4.62 billion in 2011, $13.3 billion in 2012 and $18.2 billion in 2013. The Governor, who has recently had a major falling out with President Obama, may be in even more hot water as hopes for major tax windfalls from corporate taxes vanish due to generous NOLs established during last year's financial collapse:

“We are Ground Zero for the economic recession,” said Paterson. “What we’re recognizing now is what everybody recognizes in their own portfolio: you can’t overinvest in one area because, if it fails, you’ll have a debacle.”

New York is depleting its options for balancing the budget, Paterson said.

“What we want to do is bring the legislature back as soon as possible and make the tough decisions,” Paterson said. Alas expenses tend to be much "stickier" than revenues, meaning that even much more drastic cost cutting will likely still leave the state at the mercy of Federal handouts. And if California's IOU experiment is any indication, Paterson may want to promptly get on the President's good side before he is forced to ask for much needed assistance.

Also, another issue that is not receiving much airtime is the continued dire straits that New York's MTA finds itself in. From the most recent status update: "the program has a funding gap of $9.9 billion despite a large increase in State aid and a 56 percent increase in anticipated federal funding, which may not materialize. In the absence of additional aid, the MTA plans to fill the gap with debt, but debt service would then rise rapidly and increase pressure in the future to raise fares and tolls."

Yet another aspect of the state economy that is intimately linked with well-bid debt markets, which in turn track the equity market tick for tick, explaining once again how much the administration has staked on a stock market that, miraculously, is not allowed to leg lower by any material amount. However, as long as analyst actions, such as today's by Goldman in which it effectively upgraded itself, continue to drive markets, the plan to keep equities at untenable and fundamentally unjustified levels, will be viable to keep the economy running. Even if it is based on smoke and mirrors.

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I cant wait till this state is forced into bankrupcy and has to have a re-set.

As it is, i am planning on moving to Greenwich or Fairfield CT.   

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 12:42:26 PM »
Keep in mind that in NY you guys don't have the MILLIONS of illegals sucking the coffers dry.

You guys don't have the unbelievable cash-burn rate that CA has. 26B in debt this year, and 56B for next at the current rate.

The undercalsses and illegals are pulling this state under...

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 03:47:20 PM »
Keep in mind that in NY you guys don't have the MILLIONS of illegals sucking the coffers dry.

You guys don't have the unbelievable cash-burn rate that CA has. 26B in debt this year, and 56B for next at the current rate.

The undercalsses and illegals are pulling this state under...

Uh Yeah...IT'S ALL THE ILLEGALS FAULT!!!!
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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 05:42:31 PM »
Uh Yeah...IT'S ALL THE ILLEGALS FAULT!!!!

When it comes to CA financial or social problems... it usually IS the illegals fault.

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2009, 04:50:09 AM »
When it comes to CA financial or social problems... it usually IS the illegals fault.

Actually, NY is in the mess it is because of three things:

1.  Ridiculous welfare programs
2.  Medicaid costs
3.  Public sector unions.

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 05:42:44 AM »
California, New York, Florida, Michigan, PA and Ohio make painful choices – higher taxes, spending cuts (yeah right) and more taxes. Texas has a surplus topping $11 billion. How did that happen? No state income tax either
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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 06:08:08 AM »
California, New York, Florida, Michigan, PA and Ohio make painful choices – higher taxes, spending cuts (yeah right) and more taxes. Texas has a surplus topping $11 billion. How did that happen? No state income tax either

We have mandated costs to unions and medicaid that are killing us.  The unions demand more and more and more. 

We are losing residents by the tens of thousands every year, if not more. 

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 06:31:20 AM »
The government just doesn't get it...they need to reduce gov size and cut spending.

Remember how Obama talked about spending cuts during the election.... guess that idea was completely forgotten.  The government is resistant to decreasing it's own size and power, the people must demand it.

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 06:40:40 AM »
The government just doesn't get it...they need to reduce gov size and cut spending.

Remember how Obama talked about spending cuts during the election.... guess that idea was completely forgotten.  The government is resistant to decreasing it's own size and power, the people must demand it.

The govt idiots are banking on the economy improving and tax receipts going up in order to justify the insane spending and salaries and number of govt workers. 

They dont get that we are partially in the mess we are because of the insane spending they are doing.

The govt is the enemy of the economy and the taxpayer. 

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2009, 07:33:08 AM »
I think its very important for people to understand that government does a poor job regulating itself, particularly its size and scope.  Gov is funded by taxes on the people.  We must throw out the big government politicians.  We should also lobby for term limits.  Lifetime congressmen are generally no good.

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2009, 07:37:04 AM »
I think its very important for people to understand that government does a poor job regulating itself, particularly its size and scope.  Gov is funded by taxes on the people.  We must throw out the big government politicians.  We should also lobby for term limits.  Lifetime congressmen are generally no good.

The fact of the matter is govt at all levels is simply way too high at salary levels that cant be justified.   


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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 08:00:19 AM »
California, New York, Florida, Michigan, PA and Ohio make painful choices – higher taxes, spending cuts (yeah right) and more taxes. Texas has a surplus topping $11 billion. How did that happen? No state income tax either

texas has oil.

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 08:18:52 AM »
texas has oil.

A good argument, but how has it maintained sound fiscal policy in the teeth of plunging oil demand?

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 09:38:45 AM »
texas has oil.

Yup, you beat me to it.

Oil revenues are big time for the Texassians.

Plus in Texas they can get things done. In CA it's a liberal clusterfuck to the extreme. Nothing gets done except more democrats give more nonexistent money to whatever social group or minority we should be pitying at the moment.

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Re: New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2009, 09:39:30 AM »
Yup, you beat me to it.

Oil revenues are big time for the Texassians.

Plus in Texas they can get things done. In CA it's a liberal clusterfuck to the extreme. Nothing gets done except more democrats give more nonexistent money to whatever social group or minority we should be pitying at the moment.

Come to NY - we will own you in that dept.