CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"

[tonymctones]

...are you arging that gay soldiers are too savage and aggressive?

Doesn't that make MY point?


The Luke

not at all pointing out that the spartans did alot of shit that we dont do should that justify us doing them?

apparently to you infantcide is ok b/c the spartans did it 

now back to the real problem why can gays check out ppl they find sexually attractive in locker rooms but i cant? 

[Option D]

LOL allowing blacks to serve didnt take away from the rights of others mal...allowing gays to openly serve does

do you support my right to walk into any womens locker room and check out the women mal?  

if it killed arabs...YES

[headhuntersix]

This is bullshit and yet more evidence of how full of shit Luke is and how smart he thinks he is....

First off the Spartans were against anything that didn't produce troops for the war machine...so they did not field "gay" formations nor felt that it enhanced the fighting spirit of its troops. Further...any mention of Spartan homosexuality was done or written about by Athenians...so consider the source. Luke do u think ur version of history is the only one. U really ought to try harder..for every article u produce that say they were gay as hell..I can produce one thats says, at the very least nobody knows. They were a heavily militaristic society..children...male s served, surrounded by men, from the age of 9. Was there Pederasty, I would assume but history shows no proof. We do know that the Alexander fielded homosexual formations...not the Spartans. U can try as hard as u want to smart guy but ur an idiot.

[tonymctones]

if it killed arabs...YES

whoa whoa whoa were talking in the context of fairness not killing arabs i think its perfectly clear we are doing fine in the killing arabs department you think letting gays serve openly will automatically win the war?

this whole issue is about fairness

is it fair that gays can look at ppl they find sexually attractive in locker rooms legally even if the ppl being viewed dont want such attention but that I a heterosexual male cannot go into a womens locker room and check out the women in there?

I think the answer is obviously no, so the next question is when do i get my free pass to go into womens locker rooms and park a lazy boy in there?  

[tonymctones]

This is bullshit and yet more evidence of how full of shit Luke is and how smart he thinks he is....

First off the Spartans were against anything that didn't produce troops for the war machine...so they did not field "gay" formations nor felt that it enhanced the fighting spirit of its troops. Further...any mention of Spartan homosexuality was done or written about by Athenians...so consider the source. Luke do u think ur version of history is the only one. U really ought to try harder..for every article u produce that say they were gay as hell..I can produce one thats says, at the very least nobody knows. They were a heavily militaristic society..children...male s served, surrounded by men, from the age of 9. Was there Pederasty, I would assume but history shows no proof. We do know that the Alexander fielded homosexual formations...not the Spartans. U can try as hard as u want to smart guy but ur an idiot.

hahhaha aint the truth

[headhuntersix]

First off....most people don't like gays...they don't bother em...but they don't want em camped out next to em. The average gay dude doesn't bother me and I'm not worried he's gonna want to jump on top of me...but I don't want to see him jumping on his "friend" either. I don't want to know a damm thing about his social or private life. Its very hard in the military not to know things like that about people. Plus u have a very religious Officer Corps that will not find this very good....gays can serve all they want, but under don't ask don't tell. Its funny having to listen to people who don't serve or never will serve tell us we have to  accept this shit. Libs are very good about pushing minorities, aliens and other groups on everybody but them. Black intergration and gays are two different arguments.

[MCWAY]

First off....most people don't like gays...they don't bother em...but they don't want em camped out next to em. The average gay dude doesn't bother me and I'm not worried he's gonna want to jump on top of me...but I don't want to see him jumping on his "friend" either. I don't want to know a damm thing about his social or private life. Its very hard in the military not to know things like that about people. Plus u have a very religious Officer Corps that will not find this very good....gays can serve all they want, but under don't ask don't tell. Its funny having to listen to people who don't serve or never will serve tell us we have to  accept this shit. Libs are very good about pushing minorities, aliens and other groups on everybody but them. Black intergration and gays are two different arguments.

And, most African-Americans don't appreciate when homosexuals try to hijack the civil rights movements to advance their cause. One black preacher put it this way, Don't confuse my skin with your sin!.

With that said, they agreed to play by the DoD rules, before they're sworn into service. So, contrary to Besen's complaints (and notwithstanding the whole selective enforcement factor), it doesn't matter if they're Arab linguists of cranking in the mess hall, if they "come out" or get outed, they're gone.

[The Luke]

The Spartans practiced mandatory homosexuality.

So what's the problem with gays in the military? Seems this experiment has been run in its most extreme form and it produced the most legendary fighting force the world has ever known.


I think this anti-gay hysteria has a decidedly Judeo-Christian taint to it.

If the gays wanna fight, let them fight... why should the US Military be the first exclusively heterosexual army the world has ever scene?



The Luke

[tonymctones]

The Spartans practiced mandatory homosexuality.

So what's the problem with gays in the military? Seems this experiment has been run in its most extreme form and it produced the most legendary fighting force the world has ever known.


I think this anti-gay hysteria has a decidedly Judeo-Christian taint to it.

If the gays wanna fight, let them fight... why should the US Military be the first exclusively heterosexual army the world has ever scene?

they practiced infantcide you numb nut fuck are you advocating that as well?

TRY ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS POSED TO YOU instead of going off on some bull shit rhetoric tangent ok?

why shouldnt they be luke? again you seem to not understand that by allowing them to serve you infringe on other ppls rights...

so you are in favor of my right to be able to go into a womens locker room and stare at women then I take it?

[headhuntersix]

The Spartans practiced mandatory homosexuality.

So what's the problem with gays in the military? Seems this experiment has been run in its most extreme form and it produced the most legendary fighting force the world has ever known.


I think this anti-gay hysteria has a decidedly Judeo-Christian taint to it.

If the gays wanna fight, let them fight... why should the US Military be the first exclusively heterosexual army the world has ever scene?


Ah..no they didn't. Mandatory homosexuality was against their way of fighting  and not practical for continuing Sparta. Luke while u may enjoy sucking cock...u leave that to urself. The US military doesn't want openly gay soldiers...u don't have a say in it, it doesn't affect u...screw off.


The Luke

[The Luke]

Ah..no they didn't. Mandatory homosexuality was against their way of fighting  and not practical for continuing Sparta. Luke while u may enjoy sucking cock...u leave that to urself. The US military doesn't want openly gay soldiers...u don't have a say in it, it doesn't affect u...screw off.

...history disagrees.

I accept that I don't have a say in it, but in case you are confused, I'm posting on a message board... not setting US Government policy.


By the way, this little gem:

Mandatory homosexuality was against their way of fighting  and not practical for continuing Sparta.

...is emblematic of your level of understanding. You conflate homosexuality with exclusively homosexual behaviour. You seem to think in rigid generalised absolutes.

Let's stick to facts... only one civilization in human history has ever enforced mandatory homosexuality in its soldiers; and that civilization was Sparta. So obviously, openly gay soldiers can hardly be considered detrimental to an armed forces.

Calling me gay won't change history to suit your argument... only Jesus can do that.



The Luke

[tonymctones]

...history disagrees.

I accept that I don't have a say in it, but in case you are confused, I'm posting on a message board... not setting US Government policy.


By the way, this little gem:
...is emblematic of your level of understanding. You conflate homosexuality with exclusively homosexual behaviour. You seem to think in rigid generalised absolutes.

Let's stick to facts... only one civilization in human history has ever enforced mandatory homosexuality in its soldiers; and that civilization was Sparta. So obviously, openly gay soldiers can hardly be considered detrimental to an armed forces.

Calling me gay won't change history to suit your argument... only Jesus can do that.



The Luke

hey luke cover up bro your idiocy is showing

first off that was centuries ago and its hard to compare but modern day standards our military is the best around and we dont let gays openly serve so why change things?

second of all they also practiced infantcide to produce the strongest best soldiers, should we do the same? you like to point to one detail and try and string together this idiotic arguement all the while turning a blind eye to other shit your idiotic logic would allow.

Now again since you cant seem to answer any questions posed to you Ill ask you again

are you in favor of my right to go into womens locker rooms and stare at them naked?

[sync pulse]

A former Naval officer told me that the reason gays were first excluded from the military in the early forties is because of J. Edgar Hoover and the alleged photos of him with other guys.  Allegedly the pictures were circulated among many powerful people in what was then called the War Department.

[tonymctones]

A former Naval officer told me that the reason gays were first excluded from the military in the early forties is because of J. Edgar Hoover and the alleged photos of him with other guys.  Allegedly the pictures were circulated among many powerful people in what was then called the War Department.

I would guess the infringement on privacy rights of individuals also has a lot to do with it...

apparently ppl dont understand that here.

[headhuntersix]

...history disagrees.

I accept that I don't have a say in it, but in case you are confused, I'm posting on a message board... not setting US Government policy.


By the way, this little gem:
...is emblematic of your level of understanding. You conflate homosexuality with exclusively homosexual behaviour. You seem to think in rigid generalised absolutes.

Let's stick to facts... only one civilization in human history has ever enforced mandatory homosexuality in its soldiers; and that civilization was Sparta. So obviously, openly gay soldiers can hardly be considered detrimental to an armed forces.

The Spartans saw no practical value in all homosexual units..therefore they didn't use them, nor did they force homosexuality. Maybe u want that to be the case but its not. I don't care if Spartans were gaying it up...it doesn't matter to the US military in any way shape or form..it matters because ur wrong...AGAIN.

[The Luke]

The Spartans saw no practical value in all homosexual units..therefore they didn't use them, nor did they force homosexuality. Maybe u want that to be the case but its not. I don't care if Spartans were gaying it up...it doesn't matter to the US military in any way shape or form..it matters because ur wrong...AGAIN.

Well, lots of historians specialising in the Spartans disagree.

Where did you get this? I'm not arguing that they enforced EXCLUSIVELY homosexual behaviour, there is a difference... and I'm not arguing this point, you are erroneously inferring your own misconstrued interpretations of what you think I'm claiming.


This thread is rife with projection... my point is being dismissed soley on the grounds of the illogical extrapolations you guys have concocted.

Simple fact... there once was a civilisation that enforced homosexuality among its soldiers... that civilisation was the Spartans... in light of this (something you all should have known) all these silly objections to gays in the military are put in perspective.

That is the limit of my point.

If that point is lost on you guys... then I guess that explains your adherence to the propoganda you hold as beliefs.


The Luke

[garebear]

Well, lots of historians specialising in the Spartans disagree.

Where did you get this? I'm not arguing that they enforced EXCLUSIVELY homosexual behaviour, there is a difference... and I'm not arguing this point, you are erroneously inferring your own misconstrued interpretations of what you think I'm claiming.


This thread is rife with projection... my point is being dismissed soley on the grounds of the illogical extrapolations you guys have concocted.

Simple fact... there once was a civilisation that enforced homosexuality among its soldiers... that civilisation was the Spartans... in light of this (something you all should have known) all these silly objections to gays in the military are put in perspective.

That is the limit of my point.

If that point is lost on you guys... then I guess that explains your adherence to the propoganda you hold as beliefs.


The Luke

Do you have any friends IRL?

[headhuntersix]

Yeah Ok Luke...for every Greek historian saying one thing u'll find two saying something else..my guess is u have no idea about this beyond wiki and now ur caught in some stupid historical reference corner that u once again can't back out of. Again..the Spartans did not find any value in purely homosexual formations, unlike the Athenians. Nobody here cares about Sparta...Luke giet it through ur head..u get crushed every time u do this. Stop!!!!

[Soul Crusher]

Well, lots of historians specialising in the Spartans disagree.

Where did you get this? I'm not arguing that they enforced EXCLUSIVELY homosexual behaviour, there is a difference... and I'm not arguing this point, you are erroneously inferring your own misconstrued interpretations of what you think I'm claiming.


This thread is rife with projection... my point is being dismissed soley on the grounds of the illogical extrapolations you guys have concocted.

Simple fact... there once was a civilisation that enforced homosexuality among its soldiers... that civilisation was the Spartans... in light of this (something you all should have known) all these silly objections to gays in the military are put in perspective.

That is the limit of my point.

If that point is lost on you guys... then I guess that explains your adherence to the propoganda you hold as beliefs.


The Luke

Luke - you contradict yourself sometimes within the same damned sentence!  Do you even re-read your posts before posting this nonsense?

Just give it up.  You are embarrassing yourself again and its not pretty to watch you get so completely humiliated day after day like this. 

[The Luke]

Do you have any friends IRL?

No, I have disciples.


The flow is a little different on a message board, but in real life my charm tends to win people over... they usually politely disagree with my views; go away and think about it; then seek me out to discuss it further before finally coming over to my way of thinking. Once that happens a few times they tend to start thiking of me as some sort of oracle and ask my opinion on every possibe subject. It's very funny.

That's why I try not to attack people... just their stupidity.

It works better in real life... I'm just too likeable to be misconstrued as aggressive or obnoxious. But many here (those who tend to scan instead of reading) do misconstrue me as arrogant.

People are surprisingly open to shedding/re-thinking their stupidity in a friendly, open, non-judgemental environment.


Just look at this thread... the ideologues attack anyone who thinks differently from how they have been programmed to think: I'm told I hate America... no one ever asks me if I do, for example.

I use revelatory questions all the time... why not ask me a question, if you disagree.



The Luke

[The Luke]

Luke - you contradict yourself sometimes within the same damned sentence! 

...example?


The Luke

[garebear]

Well, lots of historians specialising in the Spartans disagree.

Where did you get this? I'm not arguing that they enforced EXCLUSIVELY homosexual behaviour, there is a difference... and I'm not arguing this point, you are erroneously inferring your own misconstrued interpretations of what you think I'm claiming.


This thread is rife with projection... my point is being dismissed soley on the grounds of the illogical extrapolations you guys have concocted.

Simple fact... there once was a civilisation that enforced homosexuality among its soldiers... that civilisation was the Spartans... in light of this (something you all should have known) all these silly objections to gays in the military are put in perspective.

That is the limit of my point.

If that point is lost on you guys... then I guess that explains your adherence to the propoganda you hold as beliefs.


The Luke

OK,  I figured you didn't have any friends.

[The Luke]

OK,  I figured you didn't have any friends.

Does that invalidate my point?


The Luke

[garebear]

Does that invalidate my point?


The Luke

It validated mine.

[The Luke]

It validated mine.

...you didn't have a point.


The Luke