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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #100 on: October 09, 2009, 06:32:02 PM »
...quote my post where I claimed homosexuality "contributed" to Spartan military prowess, then. You can't, as no such post exists... you just think it does.

You are inferring something that was not implied... you need better reading comprehension.


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then please explain why you cite them and thermoplyae?  ;D this is gonna be a good one i can tell...

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #101 on: October 09, 2009, 06:54:20 PM »
then please explain why you cite them and thermoplyae?  ;D this is gonna be a good one i can tell...

...getting tired of correcting your misconstrued misreadings of simple points.

I'm making the point that the most feared, legendary fighting force in history practiced enforced, universal male homosexuality.

So, being homosexual doesn't preclude being a good soldier... based on the most extreme example in history. I haven't advocated anything.

Again: You inferred something that was not implied.


For the second time: my reference to Thermopylae was in response to headhuntersix questioning whether the Spartans could justifiably be deemed the most feared fighting force in history.

He wrote:
The most feared military force in human history huh..I'd say thats a pretty bold statement...first off its untrue..second I'd say a Roman Cohort or an SS Panzer Division...how about the Foreign legion...Gurkhas....u speak of historical absolutes to make a point that is ridiculous....much like ur poor debating skills, ur historical skills also lack. U couldn't argue that the sky was blue in complete coherent sentances if I put a gun to ur head.

I quoted his silly argument and answered, succinctly:
One word: Thermopylae.

...none of that was directed at you. No one is talking to you.


Learn to read.

Your arguments are spurious and childish, yet you insist upon attacking points that haven't been made; claiming I've made claims I never have and taking personal umbrage at points OBVIOUSLY not directed at you.


Look at the foolishness you have polluted this thread with:

-I argued that the Spartans are the only example from history of a fighting force who had mandatory homosexuality... you countered this by foolishly claiming that I was advocating homosexuality and by extension every single aspect of Spartan culture; including slaver and infanticide.

That's just plain retarded... it's embarrassingly poor logic and exemplifies very poor reasoning and reading skills.

-You argue gays shouldn't be allowed in locker rooms with straight men as it impinges upon their privacy

I pointed out that there are gays in every locker room, and if you want separate locker rooms for gays and straights then by that logic you'd need an individual locker room for every bisexual. You fail to comprehend this fatal flaw in your argument.

-Now you are arguing that my terse one word answer to HH6 "Thermopylae" doesn't have any relevance to "military prowess"?! That's just plain embarrassing.


You sir, are a damning indictment of the American educational system.


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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #102 on: October 09, 2009, 08:33:21 PM »
...getting tired of correcting your misconstrued misreadings of simple points.

I'm making the point that the most feared, legendary fighting force in history practiced enforced, universal male homosexuality.

So, being homosexual doesn't preclude being a good soldier... based on the most extreme example in history. I haven't advocated anything.
first off you said this wasnt about the military prowess of the spartans obviously it is you keep saying its not but you refer to them as the "most feard, legendary fighting force in history" so it is about their military prowess in repsect to homosexuality in its ranks dip shit

you cant even understand your own arguement  ;)

Second off and more importantly no body is saying that gays make crappy soldiers

so again address the issue at hand instead of ignorant tangets

privacy rights are the issue at hand so address those

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #103 on: October 09, 2009, 09:05:43 PM »
so again address the issue at hand instead of ignorant tangets

privacy rights are the issue at hand so address those


But those "ignorant tangents" are YOUR entire contribution to this thread?



The "privacy rights" argument is beyond ridiculous... you want to legislate for thought crimes.

Straight men showering together is okay, straight men and closeted gays showering together is okay, but openly gay men showering with straight men is a breach of privacy rights? WTF? What about closeted bisexuals? Shoud they only be allowed to shower alone?

What do you want? Polygraph tests of every serviceman asking if he thought about his service buddy's body in the showers? What were the nature of those thoughts? How long a look is gay? 10 seconds? 5 seconds? Maybe everyone should shower in the dark?

What if you shower beside a gay guy, and he DOESN'T think about your body... but then thinks about it in the mess hall?

What if a gay soldier has impure thoughts about another soldier who is fully dressed?

What if a closeted gay soldier gets a boner in the showers, is dishonourably discharged as a result... but then it turns out the particular soldier that aroused him is also a closeted homosexual? Should he be re-enlisted? Should they both be discharged?


Maybe the gay male soldiers can shower with the straight women, and the gay female soldiers can shower with the straight men... and then the heterosexuals would be the ones breaching the "privacy rights" of the gays?   

How can any adult argue such nonsense?


Get real. Get a real argument.


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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #104 on: October 09, 2009, 09:15:48 PM »
But those "ignorant tangents" are YOUR entire contribution to this thread?



The "privacy rights" argument is beyond ridiculous... you want to legislate for thought crimes.

Straight men showering together is okay, straight men and closeted gays showering together is okay, but openly gay men showering with straight men is a breach of privacy rights? WTF? What about closeted bisexuals? Shoud they only be allowed to shower alone?

Maybe the gay male soldiers can shower with the straight women, and the gay female soldiers can shower with the straight men... and then the heterosexuals would be the ones breaching the "privacy rights" of the gays?  

How can any adult argue such nonsense?
I didnt bring up the spartans your dumb ass did, i didnt say they were the fiercest fighting force known to man and enforced homosexuality your dumb ass did...but you still maintain that it wasnt in the context of military prowess huh? LOL again you dont even understand your own arguement  ;)

all men in the army are presumed straight thats why it works, when you introduce gay men you infringe upon privacy rights. I dont know if you know this or not but straight is the default sexual orientation nature has for humans  ;). So dont ask dont tell would presume you were which? come on now you can do it

your idiotic attempt to find fault doesnt get passed the fact that a male in a female shower is going to be arrested but not a gay male in a male shower...see the double standard there?


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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2009, 09:45:58 PM »
I didnt bring up the spartans your dumb ass did, i didnt say they were the fiercest fighting force known to man and enforced homosexuality your dumb ass did...but you still maintain that it wasnt in the context of military prowess huh? LOL again you dont even understand your own arguement  ;)

all men in the army are presumed straight thats why it works, when you introduce gay men you infringe upon privacy rights. I dont know if you know this or not but straight is the default sexual orientation nature has for humans  ;). So dont ask dont tell would presume you were which? come on now you can do it

your idiotic attempt to find fault doesnt get passed the fact that a male in a female shower is going to be arrested but not a gay male in a male shower...see the double standard there?

...the bolded sections highlight the thoughts that have kept you out of all the best schools.



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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #106 on: October 09, 2009, 10:22:27 PM »
...the bolded sections highlight the thoughts that have kept you out of all the best schools.



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So lets get this straight again another the luke moment

heterosexuality isnt the default sexual orientation of humans?

LOL where did you go to school?

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #107 on: October 09, 2009, 10:52:46 PM »
heterosexuality isnt the default sexual orientation of humans?

...no it's not.

Humans don't have a DEFAULT sexual orientation. It's a genetic trait.


Your comment is as misguided as saying humans have a default eye colour; default hair colour; default skin pigmentation; default height; default gender; default ear shape etc etc

You are doing what you always do... making comments that demonstrate you don't understand the subject.



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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #108 on: October 09, 2009, 10:58:52 PM »
Don't ask don't tell seems like a brilliant plan to me...

Keep your fucking mouth shut, no one's interested in your attraction to the cock.  :-X
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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #109 on: October 09, 2009, 11:16:14 PM »
...no it's not.

Humans don't have a DEFAULT sexual orientation. It's a genetic trait.


Your comment is as misguided as saying humans have a default eye colour; default hair colour; default skin pigmentation; default height; default gender; default ear shape etc etc

You are doing what you always do... making comments that demonstrate you don't understand the subject.
hahahah wow i didnt think i had to spell it out to you the default genetic trait is heterosexuality luke

you disagree?

not at all to your misguided comment none of those or anything for that matter has a direct relation to the propagation of our species which is the main point of life. Now i dont know if you know this or not but homosexuality actually is in slight opposition to the propagation of our species  ;)

again what school did you go to luke?

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #110 on: October 09, 2009, 11:17:28 PM »
hahahah wow i didnt think i had to spell it out to you the default genetic trait is heterosexuality luke

...there is no such thing as a genetic default.



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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #111 on: October 09, 2009, 11:22:28 PM »
...there is no such thing as a genetic default.



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oh but there is luke, you see we all have a certain number of chromosomes with the exception of a few individuals

we are generally born with 10 fingers, 10 toes, 1 heart, 2 lungs and an pleathora of other parts and we are generally born heterosexual luke sorry to burst your bottom twink bubble  ;)

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #112 on: October 09, 2009, 11:37:23 PM »
oh but there is luke, you see we all have a certain number of chromosomes with the exception of a few individuals

we are generally born with 10 fingers, 10 toes, 1 heart, 2 lungs and an pleathora of other parts and we are generally born heterosexual luke sorry to burst your bottom twink bubble  ;)

Retard.


How do I explain this... you have a Chrysler, everyone on your block has a Chysler, but I have a Toyota.

Does that mean a Chrysler is the default car? Is there even a default car? Get it?


Please, tonymctones, please take a moment to consider your level of intelligence; your level of schooling; your level of education... please, at the very least, cast a thought back to how difficult you found your maths homework...

Ask yourself, do you really want to argue about genetics with me?


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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #113 on: October 09, 2009, 11:40:43 PM »
Retard.


How do I explain this... you have a Chrysler, everyone on your block has a Chysler, but I have a Toyota.

Does that mean a Chrysler is the default car? Is there even a default car? Get it?


Please, tonymctones, please take a moment to consider your level of intelligence; your level of schooling; your level of education... please, at the very least, cast a thought back to how difficult you found your maths homework...

Ask yourself, do you really want to argue about genetics with me?
LOL whats your level of schooling and education?

you had a choice as to what car to buy genetics doesnt give that choice brain child

i really cant believe that you think that heterosexuality is the default sexual orientation of the human race...how do you think weve propagated so well? LOL

I would love to argue genetics with you luke...

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #114 on: October 09, 2009, 11:46:29 PM »
homosexuality is an abonormal occurance as in not baseline for the human species

you disagree that the majority of humans are heterosexual?

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #115 on: October 09, 2009, 11:49:23 PM »
There are no genetic defaults.

There are genes, or there are other genes... there are no default genes.

In regard to homosexuality, the best evidence so far would seem to indicate that the gene (most probably) involved in male homosexuality is actually a gene for hyper-fertility in females. It is a substitutional arrangement, you get one gene or the other, you don't get a default gene which is then somehow modified by the actions of another gene.

You just don't know you don't know.


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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #116 on: October 09, 2009, 11:54:07 PM »
There are no genetic defaults.

There are genes, or there are other genes... there are no default genes.

In regard to homosexuality, the best evidence so far would seem to indicate that the gene (most probably) involved in male homosexuality is actually a gene for hyper-fertility in females. It is a substitutional arrangement, you get one gene or the other, you don't get a default gene which is then somehow modified by the actions of another gene.

You just don't know you don't know.


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which gene do you get the majority of the time? what is the outcome sexual orientation wise of that gene?

I never said you did but everyone gets a set of genes there are multiple mutiple combinations no doubt but there are many that occur time and time again and there are a few that are abonormalities...

perhaps default was a bad term to use lets go with baseline

whats the baseline for sexual orientation in humans

homosexual or heterosexual?

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #117 on: October 10, 2009, 09:29:28 AM »
One word: Thermopylae.



The Luke

Yeah...I guess because u've seen 300 thats all there is. The Legion at Camerone, any of the battles fought by the SS formations, the US Marines in both WW2 or Korea...the Gurkhas in Malaya.....another moron who gets his history from Hollywood.
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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #118 on: October 10, 2009, 02:33:41 PM »
Yeah...I guess because u've seen 300 thats all there is. The Legion at Camerone, any of the battles fought by the SS formations, the US Marines in both WW2 or Korea...the Gurkhas in Malaya.....another moron who gets his history from Hollywood.

What are you arguing, that the Spartans were a bunch of sissies?

Any way you cut it, the testimony of history disagrees with your hysterical homophobia regarding gays in the military. I think I made that point quite conclusively.

I'll stop getting my "history from Hollywood", if you guys stop getting your entire worldview from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda machine.



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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #119 on: October 10, 2009, 05:43:50 PM »
Luke..u really can't end a debate u lost...u have never served in the military..u've never had to do the things required of military service that would make life with homosexuals hard to take for both sides. U have yet to provide any real proof of ur Spartan claims....and I never said the Spartans weren't an able military force...but the most feared? U never make ur points even remotely conclusive.
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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #120 on: October 10, 2009, 07:17:26 PM »
Luke..u really can't end a debate u lost...u have never served in the military..u've never had to do the things required of military service that would make life with homosexuals hard to take for both sides. U have yet to provide any real proof of ur Spartan claims....and I never said the Spartans weren't an able military force...but the most feared? U never make ur points even remotely conclusive.

In my short time in the british army, i have to be honest gays never really bothered me at all, we knew there were some, to be honest it was never really an issue. Women on the other hand made it very difficult, as professional as soldiers are, I always felt that unit cohesion was always affected if we had a woman in the group, many of the women soldiers who i worked with were extremely talented and capable, but there was always some dude who got affected by the fact a woman was around, made him act tough, or play up a bit. I never really enjoyed the crap that the sexual dynamics brought with it. Im sure that in my barracks there may have been a couple of gay guys, i would have never known and for some reason it was never brought up, since its unlike a male female dynamic which is two way in terms of the way it works. A gay dude can like a straight man all he wants, it aint gonna change a thing if that soldier is straight.

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #121 on: October 11, 2009, 09:10:37 AM »
And thats as good an endorsement of don't ask as anything...u said u didn't know and the odds are that u served with some. They did their job and kept it to themselves. That will change if they serve openly.
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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #122 on: October 11, 2009, 09:28:41 AM »
which gene do you get the majority of the time? what is the outcome sexual orientation wise of that gene?

I never said you did but everyone gets a set of genes there are multiple mutiple combinations no doubt but there are many that occur time and time again and there are a few that are abonormalities...

perhaps default was a bad term to use lets go with baseline

whats the baseline for sexual orientation in humans

homosexual or heterosexual?
hey numb nut dont act like you didnt see this...

What are you arguing, that the Spartans were a bunch of sissies?

Any way you cut it, the testimony of history disagrees with your hysterical homophobia regarding gays in the military. I think I made that point quite conclusively.

I'll stop getting my "history from Hollywood", if you guys stop getting your entire worldview from Rupert Murdoch's propaganda machine.
LOL i really dont know what youre talking about b/c as youve stated you didnt bring up the spartans to use them in a military prowess context... ;) try understanding your own arguement before typing luke

at any rate again our army is the best this world has ever seen, you disagree with that?

well by your logic thats reason enough to not let gays serve openly after all by not doing so weve become the best military this world has ever seen  ;)

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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #123 on: October 11, 2009, 09:37:37 AM »
U have yet to provide any real proof of ur Spartan claims....and I never said the Spartans weren't an able military force...but the most feared? U never make ur points even remotely conclusive.

...Jesus dude, read a book. You are embarrassing yourself (and all Americans).

hey numb nut dont act like you didnt see this...

Okay, tonymctones, you are right... I recommend you write up your insights as a formal scientific paper and submit them for peer review and publication. You are a genius, and the field of genetic research needs your unique perspective.


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Re: CNN Anderson Cooper's Heated Debate: "Gays In Military"
« Reply #124 on: October 11, 2009, 09:45:38 AM »
Okay, tonymctones, you are right... I recommend you write up your insights as a formal scientific paper and submit them for peer review and publication. You are a genius, and the field of genetic research needs your unique perspective.


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again what is your formal education? where did you attend school?

I like how you avoid all the points that make you look retarded  ;) and dont answer questions  ;)

hahahah so youre saying homosexuality is the norm/baseline for humans?  ;)

also by your idiotic spartan logic in regards to homosexuality and military prowess I think the US is doing just fine seeing as we are the best military this world has seen and we dont allow gays to openly serve  ;) just thought id point that out...