Liberals

[The Luke]

No in joke..just something the all knowing douchmcLuke doesn't know.

...seems to be the only thing.


The Luke

[headhuntersix]

If only that were true...what u don't know is legion.

[The Luke]

If only that were true...what u don't know is legion.

This thread indicates otherwise.


The Luke

[headhuntersix]

U lost...its obvious...u melted...u lost.

[The Luke]

U lost...its obvious...u melted...u lost.

I melted?

You have no counter argument... got called on your dishonest misquoting... and promptly resorted to childish name calling.

Methinks, I won quite decisively here.


The Luke

[Skip8282]

I made the point that Cuba is still beating the US in both health and education (according to the WHO and UN reports) despite their huge disadvantage of being under US embargo; effectively losing out on their biggest export partner. (A valid argument)

The Luke

Alright Luke,

Time to back up your bullshit.  Let's deal with your claim. 

The WHO ranks the United States 37th and Cuba 39th.  HERE IS A LINK TO THE REPORT:

http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf


I'm using the report YOU point to.  Now explain your nonsense.

Second, post your proof about the educational system and the context.  If your going by the UNICEF report, you're dead wrong.  Going by another report?  POST IT.

[headhuntersix]

I knew one of these guys would pick up the ball....I don't have the energy, as Luke's ridiculous circle debates are tiring.

[The Luke]

Time to back up your bullshit.  Let's deal with your claim. 

The WHO ranks the United States 37th and Cuba 39th.  HERE IS A LINK TO THE REPORT:
http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf
I'm using the report YOU point to.  Now explain your nonsense.

Second, post your proof about the educational system and the context.  If your going by the UNICEF report, you're dead wrong.  Going by another report?  POST IT.

Not wrong.

You aren't making a fair comparison... that's a measure of Cuba's public education system compared to America's entire schooling system (both public AND private).

Compare Cuba's (only) public system against America's PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM (even including colleges) and Cuba is actually streets ahead.


Many sources criticise the WHO report on this point as it doesn't take into account the poor standards of America's (non-science) private college system. Many colleges in the US give (Arts/Humanities) degrees once the tuition cheque clears, irrespective of academic ability. I know there are enough illiterate college grads in the NBA and NFL to validate this point.

If the American system was merit-based (like Cuba's) there wouldn't be so many Americans in college, nor so many colleges.

Also... American kids who drop out of public school to be "home-schooled" then drop out before sitting their SATs are included as being in school for all those truant years.

Also... American kids who are expelled from the public school system in the US are often "assumed" to have moved out of state, thereby allowing those states to meet mandated Federal enrollment standards. Even though the kids never attend.

Cuba's figures are just more honest than the US's... "No Child Left Behind" has encouraged widespread statistics manipulation in the US system. Sad, but true.

Take this manipulation into account.

 
That's why I wrote "education standards"... because I was referring to standards.

Let's not play the misquoting game again.


But, if you guys want to chalk up America being 37th in education; two spots ahead of Cuba and hoping to overtake Costa Rica next year, as a "win"... then don't let me stop you.

Ah, who am I kidding... you guys won't be able to read this far. "USA #1!"


The Luke 

[Skip8282]

Not wrong.

You aren't making a fair comparison... that's a measure of Cuba's public education system compared to America's entire schooling system (both public AND private).

Compare Cuba's (only) public system against America's PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM (even including colleges) and Cuba is actually streets ahead.


Many sources criticise the WHO report on this point as it doesn't take into account the poor standards of America's (non-science) private college system. Many colleges in the US give (Arts/Humanities) degrees once the tuition cheque clears, irrespective of academic ability. I know there are enough illiterate college grads in the NBA and NFL to validate this point.

If the American system was merit-based (like Cuba's) there wouldn't be so many Americans in college, nor so many colleges.

Also... American kids who drop out of public school to be "home-schooled" then drop out before sitting their SATs are included as being in school for all those truant years.

Also... American kids who are expelled from the public school system in the US are often "assumed" to have moved out of state, thereby allowing those states to meet mandated Federal enrollment standards. Even though the kids never attend.

Cuba's figures are just more honest than the US's... "No Child Left Behind" has encouraged widespread statistics manipulation in the US system. Sad, but true.

Take this manipulation into account.

 
That's why I wrote "education standards"... because I was referring to standards.

Let's not play the misquoting game again.


But, if you guys want to chalk up America being 37th in education; two spots ahead of Cuba and hoping to overtake Costa Rica next year, as a "win"... then don't let me stop you.

Ah, who am I kidding... you guys won't be able to read this far. "USA #1!"


The Luke 

Just too easy.


1.  The WHO report refers to HEALTHCARE.  The WHO does not rank education.  Educate yourself Luke.

2.  I did not make any comparison.  You made a claim pointing to UN numbers.  Now, when provided with those numbers your claiming they're statistically skewed.  BUT YOU POINTED TO THOSE NUMBERS.

3.  You never said, "education standards".  Your EXACT quote:  "I made the point that Cuba is still beating the US in both health and education (according to the WHO and UN reports)"

4.  POST YOUR PROOF ABOUT EDUCATION STANDARDS. 

[Eyeball Chambers]

All I can say is:

No u've been themed..u have no idea what that means do U. Keep melting.

[Skip8282]

But, if you guys want to chalk up America being 37th in education; two spots ahead of Cuba and hoping to overtake Costa Rica next year, as a "win"... then don't let me stop you.

The Luke  

The WHO's ranking system is a whole other discussion.  The point is you made a bullshit claim, that you can't back up.  You pointed to numbers and didn't even know what those numbers said.

That really helps your credibility.  Keep going!!  

[Fury]

The WHO's ranking system is a whole other discussion.  The point is you made a bullshit claim, that you can't back up.  You pointed to numbers and didn't even know what those numbers said.

That really helps your credibility.  Keep going!!  

The Luke has credibility? He's a retard who brags about a physics degree from some no name university that got him nothing but rejections from 2,000 jobs. He also spends his summers chasing Bigfoot across North America because he's convinced that he exists. Oh, and he claims to have a bigger back than a number of IFBB pro's at a height of 5'2.

[Skip8282]

The Luke has credibility? He's a retard who brags about a physics degree from some no name university that got him rejected from 2,000 jobs. He also spends his summers chasing Bigfoot across North America because he's convinced that he exists. Oh, and he claims to have a bigger back than a number of IFBB pro's at a height of 5'2.

My bad.

[tonymctones]

The Luke has credibility? He's a retard who brags about a physics degree from some no name university that got him nothing but rejections from 2,000 jobs. He also spends his summers chasing Bigfoot across North America because he's convinced that he exists. Oh, and he claims to have a bigger back than a number of IFBB pro's at a height of 5'2.

dont forget that he finds racheal maddow sexual attractive in a strange way  I think i know in what way 

[headhuntersix]

In the "I look like a dude" kinda way...sure. Anybody sense a trend with the Luke..chasing big hairy beasts...Spartans...defe nding gays in the military...etc. Its starting to look like a duck.

[Fury]

dont forget that he finds racheal maddow sexual attractive in a strange way   I think i know in what way  

Haha. His credibility was shot years ago when he spent three straight months defending his concocted story that Squadfather's mom wrote him a letter about Squadfather being a manic depressive 13 year old. After that self-owning came to pass, he crawled off for a year or so until he found his nuts again. He's a lying shill.

[tonymctones]

Haha. His credibility was shot years ago when he spent three straight months defending his concocted story that Squadfather's mom wrote him a letter about Squadfather being a manic depressive 13 year old. After that self-owning came to pass, he crawled off for a year so until he found his nuts again. He's a lying shill.

LOL hahaha i missed that

aww good old squad he provided us with so much entertainment...After his epic departure I never even go onto the G&O anymore.

[headhuntersix]

Please..I need more bigfoot...

[headhuntersix]

This is so damm funny. I am sure the folks here have some weird hobbies or beliefs but to admit ur a bigfoot hunter hahahahahahhaahhahahhaha ahahahaahahhahh.

[gcb]

Just too easy.


1.  The WHO report refers to HEALTHCARE.  The WHO does not rank education.  Educate yourself Luke.

2.  I did not make any comparison.  You made a claim pointing to UN numbers.  Now, when provided with those numbers your claiming they're statistically skewed.  BUT YOU POINTED TO THOSE NUMBERS.

3.  You never said, "education standards".  Your EXACT quote:  "I made the point that Cuba is still beating the US in both health and education (according to the WHO and UN reports)"

4.  POST YOUR PROOF ABOUT EDUCATION STANDARDS. 

The way I read it a "Commie" regime with few natural resources is 2 places behind supposedly one of the worlds great economic powerhouses. Yeah keep celebrating mediocrity.

[The Luke]

1.  The WHO report refers to HEALTHCARE.  The WHO does not rank education.  Educate yourself Luke.

2.  I did not make any comparison.  You made a claim pointing to UN numbers.  Now, when provided with those numbers your claiming they're statistically skewed.  BUT YOU POINTED TO THOSE NUMBERS.

3.  You never said, "education standards".  Your EXACT quote:  "I made the point that Cuba is still beating the US in both health and education (according to the WHO and UN reports)"

Regarding point #1 ...oops, sorry about that. Meant to write UN, seem to have mis-typed.

Regarding point #2 ...perhaps an oops for you: This was my original point:

Cuba beats the US for life expectancy and educational standards.

I think they'd do much better if the embargo was lifted.

...it's the third or fourth post on page one of this thread, remember? That was the simple, reasonable post that triggered the wrath of GetBig's own self-appointed Team America.


The Luke

[Skip8282]

The way I read it a "Commie" regime with few natural resources is 2 places behind supposedly one of the worlds great economic powerhouses. Yeah keep celebrating mediocrity.

As I said before, the WHO's ranking system is a whole other discussion.

[The Luke]

As I said before, the WHO's ranking system is a whole other discussion.

...not disagreeing. Admitted I wrote WHO when I meant to write UN/Unicef.

If you want to know what I have written, you can read my posts.


The Luke

[Skip8282]

Regarding point #1 ...oops, sorry about that. Meant to write UN, seem to have mis-typed.

Regarding point #2 ...perhaps an oops for you: This was my original point:

...it's the third or fourth post on page one of this thread, remember? That was the simple, reasonable post that triggered the wrath of GetBig's own self-appointed Team America.


The Luke

Again, POST YOUR PROOF.  Not claims that you feel like making.  POST STUDIES.  POST ABSTRACTS.  POST STATISTICAL ANALYSIS.  POST SOURCES.

POST YOUR PROOF.

[Skip8282]

...not disagreeing. Admitted I wrote WHO when I meant to write UN/Unicef.

If you want to know what I have written, you can read my posts.


The Luke

We've got 2 issues here Luke.  Cuban healthcare vs American healthcare.  Cuban educational standards vs American educational standards.  You cited UN numbers.  You were wrong about the healthcare. (37 vs 39)


As to the educational standards, since you said UN numbers, I asked if you were referring to UNICEF numbers.  If not, what numbers?  POST YOUR PROOF.