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Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon
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There is nothing like a preemie Nobel Peace Prize to set the polity ablaze. I'm sure Barack Obama smelled the political smoke when awakened with the news this morning that the Nobel committee had essentially named him "Worldwide Statesman Most Likely to Succeed" - and White House sources tell me his initial reaction went pretty much like this: "Whaaaaa?!"

The President is a smart enough politician to understand he'd been slapped into a pretty neat box by those well-meaning Europeans spending down the old arms maker's endowment. Despite calls to contrary, he had to accept the Nobel - anything less would have been far less than gracious. So he handled it pretty well, with statements like this one:

To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.

Exactly right. Obama clearly didn't deserve the Nobel, which should be awarded not for aspiration but for real accomplishment. But it's not Barack Obama's fault that the Nobel Committee went goofy. The White House was entirely blind-sided by the announcement, understanding perfectly well the day-to-day challenge of transforming the President's inspiring electoral victory into the kind of real change he promised for nigh on two years on the stump. Even hard-core Obama supporters like Gara LaMarche spoke plainly:

I am delighted for any good thing that comes to Barack Obama, and people need to look at this in terms of the sea change it represents in international opinion about the U.S., but giving it for aspiration and effort at such an early stage is, let's admit it, a bit weird.  Attention,  Pulitzer Prize jury:  I've sketched out the opening pages of a novel I'm thinking of writing...

As Richard Kim wrote in The Nation,  whose covers last year seemed permanently devoted to an iconic notion of the candidate, the committee's sentiments on the President's small body of work "are aspirational in my view. Obama doesn't deserve the prize, yet." The shorter version from Peter Beinart: "I like Barack Obama as much as the next liberal, but this is a farce."

Yet the natural reaction of some was to try and counter the predictably screeching hellwraiths on the right - "He's basically emasculating this country and they love it!" screamed Limbaugh - and perhaps the desire to rationalize the Nobel choice overcame common sense. It certainly pushed the DNC into throwing terrorism around lightly.

There was a bit of strain in the reasoning. Some voices on the left actually stooped to point out that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. hadn't yet witnessed the signing of the Voting Rights Act when he won his Nobel, or that Bishop Desmond Tutu hadn't yet seen the formal end of Apartheid. But those arguments diminish Obama by easy and simple comparison; it does the President no favors to call to mind 1950s Birmingham and 1980s Johannesburg in the context of his inspiring - but hardly revolutionary - political career in Chicago.

I think the prize will stick to Obama, and not in a good way. Sure, you can observe that the Nobel committee was rewarding the passing of the neocon era and the end of a foreign policy run on arrogant think tank dreams of American "exceptionalism." But any thinking person knows it's too much, too soon. It puts an even brighter target of expectations on a President in his first year and on an Administration struggling to pass health care reform, sort out Afghanistan and put millions of unemployed Americans back to work. On his Philanthrocapitalism blog,  the Economist's Matthew Bishop argued that President Obama should defer his acceptance:

At first glance, the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama is absurdly premature. Beyond his fine words, it is hard to demonstrate conclusively that President Obama has yet added a net ounce of peace to the world, and although hopefully he will ultimately do so, the record of past US presidents, including well-intentioned fellows like Messrs Carter and Clinton, suggests that they do more for peace once they leave office.

The world may be happier with Obama than his predecessor, but it also appears to me that the Nobel machers were a little late to the big rally. It's like they showed up a day late for the blow-out party, ringing the front door and holding out a shiny gift to a bewildered host who's more than a bit hung over and already finished sweeping up the confetti. Like the rest of us here on Planet America, the New Yorker's George Packer has long since moved past the slogans, the balloons and all the glorious hoopla:

This seems like a prize for Europeans, not Americans, and I worry that at home it will damage him politically by reinforcing the notion that he is--and will be--a world icon rather than a successful President. I don't mind him being the former, but I most want him to be the latter.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-watson/obama-and-the-peace-prize_b_316156.html

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News to 240 - even many on the left realize what a joke this was. 

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Rush had it right.Obama is the first post racial president and the first post accomplishment president.He succedes because the libs say he does NOT because he actually does a god dam thing.

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Whinining Republicans: He should return the award! He doesn’t deserve it!

Obama: I really don’t deserve this. I’m honored, but I can’t accept it knowing that there are many other worthy potential recipients.
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So now WHAT exactly are you whining about?   Hmmm?   Do you have a reason or is this just a typical day to day auto reaction that starts when you open your eyes in the mornings?  Instead of whining about the winner, why not whine about the governing body that made the decision?  Oh, that might be counter productive to your daily marching orders huh?


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Whinining Republicans: He should return the award! He doesn’t deserve it!

Obama: I really don’t deserve this. I’m honored, but I can’t accept it knowing that there are many other worthy potential recipients.
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So now WHAT exactly are you whining about?   Hmmm?   Do you have a reason or is this just a typical day to day auto reaction that starts when you open your eyes in the mornings?  Instead of whining about the winner, why not whine about the governing body that made the decision?  Oh, that might be counter productive to your daily marching orders huh?



I already responded tot his in the other thread.  He should have turned it down and highlighted the others who really deserved it and asked the committee to give it to them.

 

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Are you mad personally at Obama or mad because Obama won the Nobel.

Which is it?  Because there are two different causes of your frustration here.  Can you even figure out what it is that has your panties in such a twist?

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Are you mad personally at Obama or mad because Obama won the Nobel.

Which is it?  Because there are two different causes of your frustration here.  Can you even figure out what it is that has your panties in such a twist?

I think he made a huge mistake in not turning down the award and asking the committee to give it to someone else who should have gotten it. 

Its not his fault the pee ons in Europe are also inflicted with liberal white guilt. 

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Are you mad personally at Obama or mad because Obama won the Nobel.

Which is it?  Because there are two different causes of your frustration here.  Can you even figure out what it is that has your panties in such a twist?
I dont think ppl are mad at obama personally but with the situation that is obviously yet another bull shit political move. Obama has had to many bull shit political moves already thus far so this is just yet another straw on the camals back. This isnt his fault he didnt nominate himself and he didnt elect himself but that doesnt mean that this isnt bullshit and you know it lurker.

The best thing he could have done would have been to politely and respectfully decline it and say that he would like to have earned one. Lets face if the nobel commitee was willing to give him one for what he has done thus far which is nothing. If he actually did do anything at all they would have rewarde him one then and at that time he may have actually deserved it.

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thats exactly right by turning it down he comes across as humble as he knows himself he doesnt deserve this award. As much as he is concerned with what others overseas thinks that would have created much more good will.

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thats exactly right by turning it down he comes across as humble as he knows himself he doesnt deserve this award. As much as he is concerned with what others overseas thinks that would have created much more good will.

My personal belief is that Obama deep down knows this, but had to balance that out with the opportunity to give yet another internationalist speech bashing American and promoting the global agenda.  He knows he will get a few days of press and camaera time for this. 

So even though he knows others were more deserving, I think he could not pass up the chance for another opportunity to fly around the world and pass himself off as the leader of the world. 

 

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Obama has had to many bull shit political moves already thus far so this is just yet another straw on the camals back. This isnt his fault he didnt nominate himself and he didnt elect himself but that doesnt mean that this isnt bullshit and you know it lurker.

When you are not busy contradicting yourself, do you ever think about having a rational thought for once?


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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 10:52:05 AM »
When you are not busy contradicting yourself, do you ever think about having a rational thought for once?


exactly how did i contradict myself?

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 10:55:07 AM »
I already responded tot his in the other thread.  He should have turned it down and highlighted the others who really deserved it and asked the committee to give it to them.

 

So saying "I really don’t deserve this. I’m honored, but I can’t accept it knowing that there are many other worthy potential recipients" isn't highlighting the others and being humble?

When making the assumption that he should do this, he should do that, what evidence are you basing it own?  Your OPINION?  On what you THINK he should do?  Because if that is the case (and it is) then how can you possibly try to knock the OPINION of some one else (in this case the Nobel committee)?

You can't.  You simply try to in order to have whine-fuel for your Obama rants.

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 10:57:38 AM »
exactly how did i contradict myself?

Did you see my quote from your reply?

Do I have to explain your own post to you? 

Perhaps instead you can simply tell us what the source of your frustration really is.  Because it can't possibly be this Nobel Prize thing as illustrated by the dazzling lack of logic behind the wingnuts posts on here.

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 10:59:00 AM »
So saying "I really don’t deserve this. I’m honored, but I can’t accept it knowing that there are many other worthy potential recipients" isn't highlighting the others and being humble?

When making the assumption that he should do this, he should do that, what evidence are you basing it own?  Your OPINION?  On what you THINK he should do?  Because if that is the case (and it is) then how can you possibly try to knock the OPINION of some one else (in this case the Nobel committee)?

You can't.  You simply try to in order to have whine-fuel for your Obama rants.

Deeds not words.

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 11:01:05 AM »
Did you see my quote from your reply?

Do I have to explain your own post to you? 

Perhaps instead you can simply tell us what the source of your frustration really is.  Because it can't possibly be this Nobel Prize thing as illustrated by the dazzling lack of logic behind the wingnuts posts on here.
please please please do continue and show me for the idiot i am... ;D

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2009, 11:15:09 AM »
Im not mad at him or the commitee.After total utter fools like Jimmy Carter ,fat ass Al Gore and Koffe anon got it,its as meaninful as a diaper full of crap.

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2009, 11:16:23 AM »
please please please do continue and show me for the idiot i am... ;D

You are a fine job on your job.

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2009, 11:19:04 AM »
Im not mad at him or the commitee.After total utter fools like Jimmy Carter ,fat ass Al Gore and Koffe anon got it,its as meaninful as a diaper full of crap.

Which is exactly why all the teeth gnashing of the anti-Obama idiots is simply irrelevant. 

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2009, 11:36:27 AM »
You are a fine job on your job.
so i take it i didnt contradict myself and you will deflect this comment just like you did the last?

go ahead deflect it...

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2009, 12:01:22 PM »
so i take it i didnt contradict myself and you will deflect this comment just like you did the last?

go ahead deflect it...

Are you really this stupid?  Or is it just some sort of defensive mechanism you fall back on when cornered by your own illogical posts?

First Statement : Obama has had to many bull shit political moves already thus far so this is just yet another straw on the camals back.

Second Statement : This isnt his fault he didnt nominate himself and he didnt elect himself

If you can not see a simple contradiction like that, especially when I ALREADY QUOTED IT DIRECTLY, then you are incapable of any sort of debate that requires double digit brain cells.

Now to try to spin this or make excuses is only going to further validate what I said.

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2009, 12:08:56 PM »
Are you really this stupid?  Or is it just some sort of defensive mechanism you fall back on when cornered by your own illogical posts?

First Statement : Obama has had to many bull shit political moves already thus far so this is just yet another straw on the camals back.

Second Statement : This isnt his fault he didnt nominate himself and he didnt elect himself

If you can not see a simple contradiction like that, especially when I ALREADY QUOTED IT DIRECTLY, then you are incapable of any sort of debate that requires double digit brain cells.

Now to try to spin this or make excuses is only going to further validate what I said.
wow you really cant follow a train of thought can you?

the nomination and being awarded the prize was not his fault the going along with the political bull shit stunt as he no doubtedly did was all him...

that was what i was referring to as yet another bullshit political stunt...

if you cannot follow a simple logical train of thought i suggest you go back and sit in the corner until you have the mental capacity to talk to grown ups.

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2009, 12:23:26 PM »
Now to try to spin this or make excuses is only going to further validate what I said.

wow you really cant follow a train of thought can you?

the nomination and being awarded the prize was not his fault the going along with the political bull shit stunt as he no doubtedly did was all him...

that was what i was referring to as yet another bullshit political stunt...

if you cannot follow a simple logical train of thought i suggest you go back and sit in the corner until you have the mental capacity to talk to grown ups.

Thank you for proving my point.  Although it was not really necessary.

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2009, 12:27:02 PM »
How dare you give an opinion on an internet message board, Tony...   ;)




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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2009, 12:42:50 PM »
How dare you give an opinion on an internet message board, Tony...   ;)




LOL no doubt skip


whats funny is he thinks he made a good point  :D

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Re: Obama and the Peace Prize: Too Much, Too Soon (Even some liberals get it)
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2009, 12:55:56 PM »
He didn't deserve it, but he it wasn't his decision to be given the award either.  You can't be mad at Obama on this one.  Should he have given it back?....I don't know, maybe that would have been a respectible thing to do, but has anyone declined the Nobel prize?

It's just one more example of liberal groups lifting him up inappropriately.  The similarities to the Manchurian candidate are a bit too close for comfort.