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We've seen enough
« on: October 12, 2009, 08:55:07 AM »
"You ain't seen nothin' yet" was Ronald Reagan's standard rally-ending line during his 1984 re-election campaign. He won 49 states, losing only his opponent's home state, Minnesota, 49.7 percent to 49.5 percent.

Obama could use the same "ain't seen nothin' yet" line, except Reagan was referring to more jobs, smaller government and more individual freedom. Obama is pushing a job-killing agenda that promises to expand an already bloated government while simultaneously shrinking individual freedom.

Last week, more than seven months after Obama's $787 billion stimulus bill was rushed through Congress, the Labor Department reported that 263,000 more jobs were lost in September, increasing the unemployment rate to 9.8 percent and bringing the total number of unemployed to 15.1 million.

That doesn't count the so-called "discouraged" workers who've quit looking for work and aren't considered part of the labor force. By the Labor Department's count, the U.S. work force is 615,000 workers smaller than it was a year ago, even though the working-age population is expanding.

Also uncounted in the 9.8 percent unemployment rate are part-timers seeking full-time work. Add these underemployed part-timers and the "discouraged" to the official jobless rate and the real unemployment rate in September was 17 percent.

In January, urging quick passage of the stimulus bill, President Obama called the legislation "the most sweeping economic recovery act in history" and said it would "save or create 2.5 million jobs" -- and quickly, via "shovel-ready" projects.

Instead, the economy has lost at least 2.7 million jobs since the stimulus bill was signed into law in February.

"In my wildest dreams, I never thought it would work this well," declared Vice President Joe Biden, painting the stimulus as an unqualified success in a speech to the nation's governors on Sept. 24.

What will also work well in creating jobs, according to Obama and the congressional Democrats, is their real clunker of an economic-recovery agenda, which includes a carbon tax, higher energy prices for consumers and employers, the cancellation of secret ballots for workers in union-organizing drives, mandated hikes in the minimum wage, higher payroll taxes on businesses to fund the administration's health care schemes and higher tax rates on the incomes of the nation's key job creators.

Under tax hikes now being considered, the top federal tax rate on income would climb to 45 percent. In states with top tax rates, the combined federal, state and local tax on income would exceed 50 percent.

"Three fourths of those affected by these rate changes are small-business owners," says Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas, meaning that funds will be drained directly from "the sector of the U.S. economy that's producing 63 percent of all the new jobs created."

Adding to this capital drain from the private sector and the subsequent job destruction is the Obama administration's cap-and-trade proposal to address the supposed dangers of global warming, even with kids in Idaho last week enjoying the earliest no-school snow day in history.

As Obama explained in January 2008 during an interview with the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle, "Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."

An analysis by the U.S. Department of Treasury estimates that the cost of cap-and-trade law per American household could run as high as $1,761 per year.

On top of seeing no problem with skyrocketing prices for electricity, Obama explained during the same interview how bankruptcy is the answer for the disobedient: "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

When he took office on Jan. 20, 1981, Reagan inherited a zero-growth economy with unemployment and inflation rates, respectively, of 7.4 percent and 10.4 percent in the final quarter of 1980.

By the end of the Reagan presidency in 1988, the unemployment and inflation rates had dropped, respectively, to 5.4 percent and 4.2 percent. This economic success particularly benefited those at the bottom, who could least afford double-digit price increases, and it helped the jobless -- the millions who moved from unemployment to a paycheck.

Reagan's economic successes were produced by tax cuts and a program of smaller government. Obama, proposing the exact opposite, is likely to get a result that's the exact opposite of success
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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 09:07:01 AM »
i often wonder if we werent in a shitstorm, what obamas presidency would be like.

Shit, he might not of even been elected if it werent for the economy.

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 09:12:42 AM »
mccain's reaction to the economic collapse is what cost him the election when he was leading.

He could have KEPT his lead by saying "yep, dubya's policies fuct us, and I intend to change that!"

This was true, and people would have trusted his honesty.

instead, it's "I've always backed the bush tax policy" and a refusal to bash bush.


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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 09:17:46 AM »
mccain's reaction to the economic collapse is what cost him the election when he was leading.

He could have KEPT his lead by saying "yep, dubya's policies fuct us, and I intend to change that!"

This was true, and people would have trusted his honesty.

instead, it's "I've always backed the bush tax policy" and a refusal to bash bush.


Remember McCain saying the fundamentals of the economy were strong and then said by "fundamentals" he meant the workers.

I still think that phony war in Georgia was all a ruse to help McCain get elected (which thankfully didn't work)

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 09:24:23 AM »
phony war in Georgia was all a ruse to help McCain get elected (which thankfully didn't work)

Hi, Wag the Dog.

Remember McCain saying the fundamentals of the economy were strong and then said by "fundamentals" he meant the workers.

He could have taken that chance, made headlines, and just called the Bush policy a failure and said the economy was in trouble.

He would have won the election, had he actually remained the maverick. 

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 09:27:02 AM »
Hi, Wag the Dog.

He could have taken that chance, made headlines, and just called the Bush policy a failure and said the economy was in trouble.

He would have won the election, had he actually remained the maverick. 

When he suspended his campaign and backed TARP, I knew it was over. 

Remember who else backed TARP?  Reid/Bush/Obama/Pelosi 

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 09:30:11 AM »
Yeah because the Russians wanted to help elect a guy who had an irrational hatered towards them. Wag the dog 240......u get worse by the day.
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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 09:35:42 AM »
When he suspended his campaign and backed TARP, I knew it was over. 

Remember who else backed TARP?  Reid/Bush/Obama/Pelosi 

The original Tarp Plan (3 pages, no oversight, pre-emptive restriction on legal action, etc..) was a disaster

The current Tarp Plan ain't much better

Doing Nothing (your plan and probably Palins plan) would have been much worse.

We'd probably have 25% unemployment, bread lines, etc....

We all know exactly where you stand on the issues of the day so why don't you do us all a favor and take  break from Get Big and go melt down some gold or go outside and meet your neighbors (you know, the ones you call the vile whores, metrosexuals, and prostitute looking children) and spare us your wisdom for a day or two

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 09:39:04 AM »
The original Tarp Plan (3 pages, no oversight, pre-emptive restriction on legal action, etc..) was a disaster

The current Tarp Plan ain't much better

Doing Nothing (your plan and probably Palins plan) would have been much worse.

We'd probably have 25% unemployment, bread lines, etc....

We all know exactly where you stand on the issues of the day so why don't you do us all a favor and take  break from Get Big and go melt down some gold or go outside and meet your neighbors (you know, the ones you call the vile whores, metrosexuals, and prostitute looking children) and spare us your wisdom for a day or two


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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 09:41:18 AM »
At least Palin spoke out against the Stimulus package during the campaign.

Oh, wait...

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 09:44:40 AM »
240 does what Palin said during the campaign matter....NO. Barry is the damm president...its all his fault..not Bush..not McCain...Barry. He got elected, he's the asshat trying to pass or has passed major bullshit legislation. U need to accept that Palin isn't ur VP.
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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 09:48:55 AM »
240 does what Palin said during the campaign matter....NO. Barry is the damm president...its all his fault..not Bush..not McCain...Barry. He got elected, he's the asshat trying to pass or has passed major bullshit legislation. U need to accept that Palin isn't ur VP.

McCain and Palin both said that they differed on certain issues.  One of them is probably TARP and I am sure she will address it in the book. 

BTW - Obama and Bush are exactly the same on the economy except that Obama is Bush on roids. 

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 09:52:27 AM »


all Wynn is suggesting is that Obama lower taxes and that somehow will create more jobs.

doesn't the stimulus already include tax cuts?

how many times are we going to hear uber-wealthy people tell us that all we have to do is lower taxes an they will bestow job upon us.

it's all bullshit - Wynn is advocating what will help his own personal bottom line - period.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 09:54:51 AM »
all Wynn is suggesting is that Obama lower taxes and that somehow will create more jobs.

doesn't the stimulus already include tax cuts?

how many times are we going to hear uber-wealthy people tell us that all we have to do is lower taxes an they will bestow job upon us.

it's all bullshit - Wynn is advocating what will help his own personal bottom line - period.

You are a disgrace.  This man employees more people, pays for more peoples' health insurance, etc, than Obama ever has and you dare make such a stupid comment.

He embarassed Granholm in that interview and you have the balls to say he does not know what he is talking about?

Hysterical - you look to politicians for job growth instead of successful business people.  amazing.  Just amazing.     

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 10:01:55 AM »
You are a disgrace.  This man employees more people, pays for more peoples' health insurance, etc, than Obama ever has and you dare make such a stupid comment.

He embarassed Granholm in that interview and you have the balls to say he does not know what he is talking about?

Hysterical - you look to politicians for job growth instead of successful business people.  amazing.  Just amazing.     

I'm saying he's parroting the same tired crap we've heard for years (and proven not to work).

If you listen to the interview you'd also hear him incorrectly characterize health care reform as stimulus

We tried "tax policy" during the 8 years of the Bush Administration and when he left our economy was almost destroyed

I don't see how more "hair of the dog" is going to create jobs.

The only thing Wynn was right about was that we need to create more jobs but tax policy is not the answer

The answer would foreign trade policy, repealing (or greatly modifying) NAFTA  and similar things


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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2009, 10:07:17 AM »
Obama is a charlatan. He says all the right things in his speeches. But you have to look at actions, not words. Listening to his speeches you would swear he has the answers. But then he does the complete opposite.

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2009, 10:47:10 AM »
Obama is a charlatan. He says all the right things in his speeches. But you have to look at actions, not words. Listening to his speeches you would swear he has the answers. But then he does the complete opposite.

Apparently, some of his supporters (i.e. the ones he addressed Saturday night) feel much the same.

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2009, 12:14:46 AM »
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We tried "tax policy" during the 8 years of the Bush Administration and when he left our economy was almost destroyed

Ummm, yeah, only after years of solid growth. You do understand that economies need to go into recession once in a while right?
Jan. Jobs: 36,000!!

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2009, 06:39:34 AM »
McCain and Palin both said that they differed on certain issues.  One of them is probably TARP and I am sure she will address it in the book. 

We all know her book will be filled with plenty of hindsight.  Since she just smiled and yelled "pallin with terrorists" for 3 months and never gave her opinion that wasn't on her teleprompter, she can claim she was for or against anything she likes.

Point is, she was on the ticket with mccain and supported everything he did.  hard for her to say "stim bill bad" NOW, when she just nodded along with it back then ;)

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Re: We've seen enough
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2009, 07:01:40 AM »

Remember McCain saying the fundamentals of the economy were strong and then said by "fundamentals" he meant the workers.

Remember when the chair of obamas economic advisors said the same thing 3 months later and obama agreed?

I wonder if they still think so...

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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2009, 08:46:08 AM »
We all know her book will be filled with plenty of hindsight.  Since she just smiled and yelled "pallin with terrorists" for 3 months and never gave her opinion that wasn't on her teleprompter, she can claim she was for or against anything she likes.

Point is, she was on the ticket with mccain and supported everything he did.  hard for her to say "stim bill bad" NOW, when she just nodded along with it back then ;)

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