Author Topic: CA'S GOVERNOR SIGNS LEGISLATION TO HELP TRACK AMMUNITION SALES (Read 3440 times)

Soul Crusher · « **on:** October 12, 2009, 12:39:14 PM »

CALIFORNIA´S GOVERNOR SIGNS LEGISLATION TO HELP TRACK AMMUNITION SALES (AB 962)
California Chronicle ^ | Oct 12, 2009 | California Chronicle

Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 3:27:47 PM by GL of Sector 2814

Sacramento, CA – Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law legislation that will help law enforcement officials track down and apprehend armed criminals and other prohibited persons. AB 962 by Assembly Member Kevin DeLeon (D-Los Angeles) had the support of law enforcement officials from across the state and was modeled after successful city ordinances, including the cities of Sacramento and Los Angeles. AB 962 was the Brady Campaign´s top priority bill in this year´s legislature.

The law requires maintenance of purchaser records by handgun ammunition vendors. Local law enforcement can use these records to find illegal guns.

"The purchase records will provide our police officers with yet another tool to track down and apprehend armed and dangerous criminals," said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

The new law also requires the safe storage of handgun ammunition in stores and that all handgun ammunition sales be completed in face-to-face transactions. Sacramento and Los Angeles have had great success over the last few years with similar city ordinances. "Law enforcement officials in both cities have had great success in tracking down violent criminals who purchased ammunition in Sacramento and Los Angeles," said Ellen Boneparth, President of the California Brady Campaign Chapters. "Our California Brady Chapters were instrumental in urging cities to pass the local ordinances and getting strong support statewide for AB 962."

A 2006 study by the Rand Corporation on Los Angeles´ city ordinance showed 10,050 rounds of ammunition were purchased by prohibited persons in a period of just two months. The study concluded "…monitoring ammunition transactions may help reduce the supply of ammunition to criminals and the frequency of injuries from felonious gun assaults. Such a record can also provide information for generating leads on illegal firearm possession."

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Unfreaking real. And you think this is where they will stop? ? ?

Straw Man · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:42:33 PM »

what's your problem with this?

we already keep track of who buys and sells guns don't we

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:45:52 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on October 12, 2009, 12:42:33 PM

what's your problem with this?

we already keep track of who buys and sells guns don't we

Oh please - you r are in favor of a govt database for legal residents exercising a hobby?

MRDUMPLING · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:48:54 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on October 12, 2009, 12:42:33 PM

what's your problem with this?

we already keep track of who buys and sells guns don't we

Because it is nobody's business...period. No, the NICS is not a database of the firearms that you purchase...at least legally anyway.

Straw Man · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:51:17 PM »

Quote from: MRDUMPLING on October 12, 2009, 12:48:54 PM

Because it is nobody's business...period. No, the NICS is not a database of the firearms that you purchase...at least legally anyway.

of course it's our business (the citizens of the state)

just like it's our business who ows the cars on our roads, etc...

tonymctones · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:51:53 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on October 12, 2009, 12:51:17 PM

of course it's our business (the citizens of the state)

just like it's our business who ows the cars on our roads, etc...

why is it your business?

Straw Man · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:52:05 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on October 12, 2009, 12:45:52 PM

Oh please - you r are in favor of a govt database for legal residents exercising a hobby?

since when is buying ammo a hobby

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:53:48 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on October 12, 2009, 12:52:05 PM

since when is buying ammo a hobby

God are you dumb!

Target, Trap, Skeet, et etc are huge hobbies. What planet do you live on.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:55:35 PM »

"Law enforcement officials in both cities have had great success in tracking down violent criminals who purchased ammunition in Sacramento and Los Angeles," said Ellen Boneparth, President of the California Brady Campaign Chapters. "Our California Brady Chapters were instrumental in urging cities to pass the local ordinances and getting strong support statewide for AB 962."

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Where is her evidence for this?

Straw Man · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:58:49 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on October 12, 2009, 12:53:48 PM

God are you dumb!

Target, Trap, Skeet, et etc are huge hobbies. What planet do you live on.

no shit dumbass

is the law about keepgin track of who is buys clay pigeons?

we're talking about buying ammo

did you even read the very story you posted.

how can you possibly have a problem with anything in that story

the fact that it bothers you is a good enough reason all by itself

I'm sure the day will come when you finally lose all touch with reality and shoot yourself or someone else

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:02:57 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on October 12, 2009, 12:58:49 PM

no shit dumbass

is the law about keepgin track of who is buys clay pigeons?

we're talking about buying ammo

did you even read the very story you posted.

how can you possibly have a problem with anything in that story

the fact that it bothers you is a good enough reason all by itself

I'm sure the day will come when you finally lose all touch with reality and shoot yourself or someone else

BECAUSE MAYBE I DONT FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BE PUT IN A GOVERNMENT DATABASE YOU POS.

I have no criminal record, never violated the law so far as I know, have been shooting for 15 years, buy a few thousand rounds a year for target practice, etc. Why should I have to go into a govt database?

tonymctones · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:03:48 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on October 12, 2009, 12:51:53 PM

why is it your business?

bump for an answer

Kazan · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:06:27 PM »

More bullshit legislation to keep track of the law abiding citizens, I live in Illinois, Chicago has really strick guns laws. Has that stopped shootings? Hell no, criminals don't obey the law, and I doubt they are going down to the local gun store the get guns and ammo.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:08:06 PM »

Quote from: Kazan on October 12, 2009, 01:06:27 PM

More bullshit legislation to keep track of the law abiding citizens, I live in Illinois, Chicago has really strick guns laws. Has that stopped shootings? Hell no, criminals don't obey the law, and I doubt they are going down to the local gun store the get guns and ammo.

This is going to destroy local gun stores.

Good job liberals. More unemployment and loss of sales tax revenue.

Hereford · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:13:50 PM »

F'em,

I already buy all my ammo in Oregon anyways.

This was pushed by the liberals as a feel-good alternative to addressing the real problem, criminals.

Kazan · « **Reply #15 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:14:54 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on October 12, 2009, 01:08:06 PM

This is going to destroy local gun stores.

Good job liberals. More unemployment and loss of sales tax revenue.

This is more typical do-gooder bullshit, it's a feel good law that will have zero impact on criminals, but will make life more diffcult for the law abiding gu owner, just like all the other half ass gun laws that get passed. Politicians just don't seem to understand that criminals don't obey the law. No matter how many fucking laws they pass.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #16 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:17:51 PM »

if people love guns, America, and freedom so much they should join the Army

Kazan · « **Reply #17 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:23:13 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on October 12, 2009, 01:17:51 PM

if people love guns, America, and freedom so much they should join the Army

Try reading the 2nd Amendment to the constitution

Straw Man · « **Reply #18 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:23:43 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on October 12, 2009, 01:03:48 PM

bump for an answer

I answered that in a response to someone else

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:23:52 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on October 12, 2009, 01:17:51 PM

if people love guns, America, and freedom so much they should join the Army

Why? Does the 2nd Amnd. require service in the military to own a firearm?

Straw Man · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:25:23 PM »

Quote from: Kazan on October 12, 2009, 01:23:13 PM

Try reading the 2nd Amendment to the constitution

where in the 2nd ammendment does it say the state or federal government cannot track ammo sales?

tonymctones · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:25:34 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on October 12, 2009, 12:51:17 PM

of course it's our business (the citizens of the state)

just like it's our business who ows the cars on our roads, etc...

that doesnt answer shit by logic everything that goes on within a state is your business...

again why exactly is it your business?

Straw Man · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:28:23 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on October 12, 2009, 01:25:34 PM

that doesnt answer shit by logic everything that goes on within a state is your business...

again why exactly is it your business?

yep - you repeated my answer

the state has a process for making regulations and I have no problem with this law

you don't even live in CA so why should I even bother discussing it with you?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:29:25 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on October 12, 2009, 01:25:23 PM

where in the 2nd ammendment does it say the state or federal government cannot track ammo sales?

How about we track you reading material? Where in the const. does it state state we cant do that?

How about we track your internet viewing history?

Geez straw - you just love the govt tracking you and everything you do no?

Kazan · « **Reply #24 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:29:36 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on October 12, 2009, 01:25:23 PM

where in the 2nd ammendment does it say the state or federal government cannot track ammo sales?

Where does it say they can?

Bullshit gun laws are being struck down as unconstitutional by the supreme court, as a matter of fact the Illinois laws should be coming up soon. The only thing that I can agree with is that this is being done at a state level and not federal, which it should be, no matter how stupid I think the law is.