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California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
Industry lobbying efforts appear to elicit little sympathy from the state Energy Commission, which may vote as soon as Nov. 4.

 
The proposed ban on electricity-guzzling big-screen TVs could result in average first-year savings of $30 per set in California. (Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times / September 17, 2009)

 
By Marc Lifsher
 
October 14, 2009
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Reporting from Sacramento - The influential lobby group Consumer Electronics Assn. is fighting what appears to be a losing battle to dissuade California regulators from passing the nation's first ban on energy-hungry big-screen televisions.

On Tuesday, executives and consultants for the Arlington, Va., trade group asked members of the California Energy Commission to instead let consumers use their wallets to decide whether they want to buy the most energy-saving new models of liquid-crystal display and plasma high-definition TVs.

"Voluntary efforts are succeeding without regulations," said Doug Johnson, the association's senior director for technology policy. Too much government interference could hamstring industry innovation and prove expensive to manufacturers and consumers, he warned.

But those pleas didn't appear to elicit much support from commissioners at a public hearing on the proposed rules that would set maximum energy-consumption standards for televisions to be phased in over two years beginning in January 2011. A vote could come as early as Nov. 4.

The association's views weren't shared by everyone in the TV business. Representatives of some TV makers, including top-seller Vizio Inc. of Irvine, said they would have little trouble complying with tighter state standards without substantially increasing prices.

"We're comfortable with our ability to meet the proposed levels and implementation dates," said Kenneth R. Lowe, Vizio's co-founder and vice president.

Last month, the commission formally unveiled its proposal to require manufacturers to limit television energy consumption in a way that has been done with refrigerators, air conditioners and dozens of other products since the 1970s.

"We would not propose TV efficiency standards if we thought there was any evidence in the record that they will hurt the economy," said Commissioner Julia Levin, who has been in charge of the two-year rule-making procedure. "This will actually save consumers money and help the California economy grow and create new clean, sustainable jobs."

Tightening efficiency ratings by using new technology and materials should result in "zero increase in cost to consumers," said Harinder Singh, an Energy Commission staffer on the TV regulation project.

California's estimated 35 million TVs and related electronic devices account for about 10% of all household electricity consumption, the Energy Commission staff reported. But manufacturers quickly are coming up with new technologies that are making even 50-inch-screen models much more economical to operate.

New features, such as light-emitting diodes that consume tiny amounts of power, special reflective films and sensors that automatically adjust TV brightness to a room's viewing conditions, are driving down electricity consumption, experts said.

The payoff could be big for TV owners, said Ken Rider, a commission staff engineer. Average first-year savings from reduced electricity use would be an estimated $30 per set and $912 million statewide, he said.

If all TVs met state standards, Rider added, California could avoid the $600-million cost of building a natural-gas-fired power plant. Switching to more-efficient TVs could have an estimated net benefit to the state of $8.1 billion, the commission staff reported.

Consumer Electronics Assn. officials disputed that figure, arguing that it was based on out-of-date numbers that fail to account for recent industry innovations. "With voluntary compliance, manufacturers can meet the targets over time, managing the cost impact, yet not in any way impeding innovation," said Seth Greenstein, an association consultant.

marc.lifsher@latimes.com


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fuck no!

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fuck no!

That state is heading for a massive depression of biblical measure with the insane things that go one over there. 

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Fucking retarded, not surprising that it is taking place in California.

Dumber still....aren't LCD LED, LCD and Plasma TV incredibly efficient concerning energy consumption?

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Fucking retarded, not surprising that it is taking place in California.

Dumber still....aren't LCD LED, LCD and Plasma TV incredibly efficient concerning energy consumption?

I think they're trying to ban the baby grand piano sized tvs and make people go in the direction of plasma, LCD etc

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"Last month, the commission formally unveiled its proposal to require manufacturers to limit television energy consumption in a way that has been done with refrigerators, air conditioners and dozens of other products since the 1970s."

333386,

Do you oppose federal regulations that have been in place for 30 years regarding refrigerators?

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Plasma's consume lots of energy.   LCD and LED do not.
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Cali needs to examine the costs to provide schooling and emergency healthcare to illegals and see what the costs are verses flat screen tv's... This is a total cluster f...! Ain't it funny the California is writing IOU's and is moving backwards whereis places like Iraq are progressing? Aunauld is no way a conservative. Just like Bloomberg is too... Look deep into their social policies and you will see a liberal who spends more than they take in. 

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"Last month, the commission formally unveiled its proposal to require manufacturers to limit television energy consumption in a way that has been done with refrigerators, air conditioners and dozens of other products since the 1970s."

333386,

Do you oppose federal regulations that have been in place for 30 years regarding refrigerators?

No.   I dont favor these regulations.   

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How would they even enforce this stupid shit?
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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2009, 10:04:34 AM »
How would they even enforce this stupid shit?

What would happen is that the stores would be prohibited from selling them and probably there would be bans on shipping these things to CA. 

What would happen is that people would go to OR, AZ or NV to buy them.  The state would lose sales tax revenue and have more joblessness. 

Liberalism is truly a severe mental disorder. 

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 10:07:51 AM »
Cali needs to examine the costs to provide schooling and emergency healthcare to illegals and see what the costs are verses flat screen tv's... This is a total cluster f...! Ain't it funny the California is writing IOU's and is moving backwards whereis places like Iraq are progressing? Aunauld is no way a conservative. Just like Bloomberg is too... Look deep into their social policies and you will see a liberal who spends more than they take in. 

Simply enforcing the laws and applying a litton common sense would solve most of CAs financial problems. The main issue is that the liberals are in charge and the cash burn rate here is obscene. Most of it goes to public education (Which is rated as the second worse in the nation) and endless handouts to every kind of social leech in existance. Illegals alone amount for 50-60 billion in social spending every year. Over half are on public assistance of some form. We have the 7th largest economy in the WORLD (before the collapse), and still the spending rate overtook the income rate.

You will never have fiscal responsibility as long as the liberal democrats are in charge. I think putting verbage in the state constitution making defecuit spending illegal would be a great idea, but the Dems would never allow it around here.

This state is getting rapes by illegals and socialists, and they are going after things like ammunition sales, the size of your tv and people who register their cars out of state. Spending dollars chasing pennies...

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2009, 10:10:28 AM »
I have no problem with energy efficiency ratings...so the consumer can factor that into their decision to choose a model to purchase.  When the liberal government tries to take things away and restrict our freedom to make a consumer decision, they can go f-ck themselves.  How's that?

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2009, 10:17:45 AM »
What would happen is that the stores would be prohibited from selling them and probably there would be bans on shipping these things to CA. 

What would happen is that people would go to OR, AZ or NV to buy them.  The state would lose sales tax revenue and have more joblessness. 

Liberalism is truly a severe mental disorder. 

I run up to OR to get any big ticket item. When you come into the state they have ports of entry that are suppose to check and see what you are bringing in. They never do though, but the mechanism is there. CA has taxes and fees that are 300%+ what the neighboring states have. To register my car in CA is $3500 plus $400/year. To register in OR is $25 for the plates one time and $77 for 3 years.

CA loses big $$$ by being so damn greedy.

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2009, 10:23:20 AM »
I run up to OR to get any big ticket item. When you come into the state they have ports of entry that are suppose to check and see what you are bringing in. They never do though, but the mechanism is there. CA has taxes and fees that are 300%+ what the neighboring states have. To register my car in CA is $3500 plus $400/year. To register in OR is $25 for the plates one time and $77 for 3 years.

CA loses big $$$ by being so damn greedy.

This is why, sadly, i think we need a massive collapse for anything to change. 

Nothing will change until we have a mass collapse of this unsustaintable mess.

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2009, 10:31:34 AM »
This is why, sadly, i think we need a massive collapse for anything to change. 

Nothing will change until we have a mass collapse of this unsustaintable mess.

So what will a collapse do? Caucasions are a MINORITY in CA! At the current rate, there will be more illegals here than Americans (in any form) by 2020. If the welfare state collapsed do you think they would all become fiscal conservatives?  Not likely.

As long as hugh numbers of people can get public resources for free, and get MORE of the pie the MORE lazy and useless they are, nothing will change.

Obamas back-door amnesty program is going to get rubber stamped along party lines, and that will be the beginning of the end...

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2009, 10:33:07 AM »
I think it's a good thing.

There are more efficient alternatives available.

I know Pioneer has already stopped their Plasma TV production.

Flat screen TV's are huge power guzzling.

Cutting down power spent in house holds will make energy cheaper for the industry as well.

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2009, 10:36:01 AM »
I think it's a good thing.

There are more efficient alternatives available.

I know Pioneer has already stopped their Plasma TV production.

Flat screen TV's are huge power guzzling.

Cutting down power spent in house holds will make energy cheaper for the industry as well.



Hedge - the Nanny State is killing our economy. 

These tpye of things put people out of work and drive up deficits.  Why cant these enviro freaks build more power plants?

Why not expand the energy supply instead of trying to shrink it?

We have a growing population and need more energy and more jobs.

Soon we will all be in tents if we left these people have their way.     

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2009, 10:36:08 AM »
336, you seem to be against it simply because it something "green".

I don't understand that.

Here's something that would free up more energy for the US industry, and yet, you are somehow against that?
Hedge - the Nanny State is killing our economy. 
   
From the article you posted:

""We would not propose TV efficiency standards if we thought there was any evidence in the record that they will hurt the economy," said Commissioner Julia Levin, who has been in charge of the two-year rule-making procedure. "This will actually save consumers money and help the California economy grow and create new clean, sustainable jobs."
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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2009, 10:37:34 AM »
Government overstepping their bounds.................
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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2009, 10:38:11 AM »
I think it's a good thing.

There are more efficient alternatives available.

I know Pioneer has already stopped their Plasma TV production.

Flat screen TV's are huge power guzzling.

Cutting down power spent in house holds will make energy cheaper for the industry as well.



LCD and/LCD LED TV's don't use all that much energy especially when compared to CRT's. I don't understand the point of this bill, Plasma TV's are winding down because the market has chosen better products in LCD's. It isn't because Pioneer has some do-good agenda.

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2009, 10:38:36 AM »
336, you seem to be against it simply because it something "green".

I don't understand that.

Here's something that would free up more energy for the US industry, and yet, you are somehow against that?From the article you posted:

""We would not propose TV efficiency standards if we thought there was any evidence in the record that they will hurt the economy," said Commissioner Julia Levin, who has been in charge of the two-year rule-making procedure. "This will actually save consumers money and help the California economy grow and create new clean, sustainable jobs."

Hedge - these are the last people who have any credibility on these issues. 

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Re: California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2009, 10:41:00 AM »
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