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« on: October 26, 2009, 11:35:44 PM »



New hotel owner hounded by racism charges
Hispanic employees protest after being told to change their first names

TAOS, N.M. - Larry Whitten marched into this northern New Mexico town in late July on a mission: resurrect a failing hotel.

The tough-talking former Marine immediately laid down some new rules. Among them, he forbade the Hispanic workers at the run-down, Southwestern adobe-style hotel from speaking Spanish in his presence (he thought they'd be talking about him), and ordered some to Anglicize their names.

No more Martin (Mahr-TEEN). It was plain-old Martin. No more Marcos. Now it would be Mark.

Whitten's management style had worked for him as he's turned around other distressed hotels he bought in recent years across the country.

The 63-year-old Texan, however, wasn't prepared for what followed.

His rules and his firing of several Hispanic employees angered his employees and many in this liberal enclave of 5,000 residents at the base of the Sangre de Cristo mountains, where the most alternative of lifestyles can find a home and where Spanish language, culture and traditions have a long and revered history.

"I came into this landmine of Anglos versus Spanish versus Mexicans versus Indians versus everybody up here. I'm just doing what I've always done," he says.

Former workers, their relatives and some town residents picketed across the street from the hotel.

"I do feel he's a racist, but he's a racist out of ignorance. He doesn't know that what he's doing is wrong," says protester Juanito Burns Jr., who identified himself as prime minister of an activist group called Los Brown Berets de Nuevo Mexico.

New owner comes in
The Virginia-born Whitten had spent 40 years in the hotel business, turning around more than 20 hotels in Texas, Oklahoma, Florida and South Carolina, before moving with his wife to Taos from Abilene, Texas. He had visited Taos before, and liked its beauty. When Whitten saw that the Paragon Inn was up for sale, he jumped at it.

The hotel sits along narrow, two-lane Paseo del Pueblo, where souped-up lowriders radiate a just-waxed gleam in the soft sunshine as they cruise past centuries-old adobe buildings. One recent afternoon, a woman slowly rode her fat-tire bicycle along a cracked sidewalk, oversized purple butterfly wings on her back and a breeze blowing her long, blonde dreadlocks.

The community includes Taos Pueblo, an American Indian dwelling inhabited for over 1,000 years, and an adobe Catholic church made famous in a Georgia O'Keeffe painting.

After he arrived, Whitten met with the employees. He says he immediately noticed that they were hostile to his management style and worried they might start talking about him in Spanish.

"Because of that, I asked the people in my presence to speak only English because I do not understand Spanish," Whitten says. "I've been working 24 years in Texas and we have a lot of Spanish people there. I've never had to ask anyone to speak only English in front of me because I've never had a reason to."

Some employees were fired, Whitten says, because they were hostile and insubordinate. He says they called him "a white (N-word)."


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'I'm professional the way I am'
Fired hotel manager Kathy Archuleta says the workers initially tried to adjust to his style. "We had already gone through four or five owners before him, so we knew what to expect," Archuleta says. "I told (the workers) we needed to give him a chance."

Then Whitten told some employees he was changing their Spanish first names. Whitten says it's a routine practice at his hotels to change first names of employees who work the front desk phones or deal directly with guests if their names are difficult to understand or pronounce.

"It has nothing to do with racism. I'm not doing it for any reason other than for the satisfaction of my guests, because people calling from all over America don't know the Spanish accents or the Spanish culture or Spanish anything," Whitten says.

Martin Gutierrez, another fired employee, says he felt disrespected when he was told to use the unaccented Martin as his name. He says he told Whitten that Spanish was spoken in New Mexico before English. "He told me he didn't care what I thought because this was his business," Gutierrez says.

"I don't have to change my name and language or heritage," he says. "I'm professional the way I am."

'Over the top'
After the firings, the New Mexico chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens, a national civil rights group, sent Whitten a letter, raising concerns about treatment of Hispanic workers. Whitten says he sent them a letter and posted messages on the hotel marquee, alleging that the group referred to him with a racial slur. LULAC denied the charge.

The messages and comments he made in interviews with local media, including referring to townsfolk as "mountain people" and "potheads who escaped society," further enflamed tensions.

Taos Mayor Darren Cordova says Whitten wasn't doing anything illegal. But he says Whitten failed to better familiarize himself with the town and its culture before deciding to buy the hotel for $2 million. "Taos is so unique that you would not do anything in Taos that you would do elsewhere," he says.

Whitten grew subdued as a two-hour interview with The Associated Press progressed. He said he was sorry for the misunderstanding and insisted he has never been against any culture.

"What kind of fool or idiot or poor businessman would I be to orchestrate this whole crazy thing that's costed me a lot of time, money and aggravation?" Whitten said.

Whitten should have dealt with the situation differently, especially in a majority Hispanic town, said 71-year-old Taos artist Ken O'Neil, while sipping his afternoon coffee on the town's historic plaza.

"To make demands like he did just seems over the top," he says. "Nobody won here. It's not always about winning. Sometimes, it's about what you learn."
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Re: Wow, this is f*cked up....
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 11:52:21 PM »
A racist Texan....no way.
HAHA, RON.....

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2009, 11:55:46 PM »
A racist Texan....no way.

Guy is an asshole....I mean come on nothing hard about pronouncing any hispanic name.
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Re: Wow, this is f*cked up....
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 12:02:47 AM »
Guy is an asshole....I mean come on nothing hard about pronouncing any hispanic name.


try rodrigo, my first name... please try

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2009, 12:12:50 AM »
Guy is an asshole....I mean come on nothing hard about pronouncing any hispanic name.

He should call the people what they wish to be called.  Let's allow a person that right.

BUT, he has every right to demand that only English be spoken when he's present, unless a staffer is speaking with a Spanish-speaking hotel guest.  He's the boss.

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 12:55:09 AM »


New hotel owner hounded by racism charges
Hispanic employees protest after being told to change their first names

TAOS, N.M. - Larry Whitten marched into this northern New Mexico town in late July on a mission: resurrect a failing hotel.

The tough-talking former Marine immediately laid down some new rules. Among them, he forbade the Hispanic workers at the run-down, Southwestern adobe-style hotel from speaking Spanish in his presence (he thought they'd be talking about him), and ordered some to Anglicize their names.

No more Martin (Mahr-TEEN). It was plain-old Martin. No more Marcos. Now it would be Mark.

Whitten's management style had worked for him as he's turned around other distressed hotels he bought in recent years across the country.

The 63-year-old Texan, however, wasn't prepared for what followed.

His rules and his firing of several Hispanic employees angered his employees and many in this liberal enclave of 5,000 residents at the base of the Sangre de Cristo mountains, where the most alternative of lifestyles can find a home and where Spanish language, culture and traditions have a long and revered history.

"I came into this landmine of Anglos versus Spanish versus Mexicans versus Indians versus everybody up here. I'm just doing what I've always done," he says.

Former workers, their relatives and some town residents picketed across the street from the hotel.

"I do feel he's a racist, but he's a racist out of ignorance. He doesn't know that what he's doing is wrong," says protester Juanito Burns Jr., who identified himself as prime minister of an activist group called Los Brown Berets de Nuevo Mexico.

New owner comes in
The Virginia-born Whitten had spent 40 years in the hotel business, turning around more than 20 hotels in Texas, Oklahoma, Florida and South Carolina, before moving with his wife to Taos from Abilene, Texas. He had visited Taos before, and liked its beauty. When Whitten saw that the Paragon Inn was up for sale, he jumped at it.

The hotel sits along narrow, two-lane Paseo del Pueblo, where souped-up lowriders radiate a just-waxed gleam in the soft sunshine as they cruise past centuries-old adobe buildings. One recent afternoon, a woman slowly rode her fat-tire bicycle along a cracked sidewalk, oversized purple butterfly wings on her back and a breeze blowing her long, blonde dreadlocks.

The community includes Taos Pueblo, an American Indian dwelling inhabited for over 1,000 years, and an adobe Catholic church made famous in a Georgia O'Keeffe painting.

After he arrived, Whitten met with the employees. He says he immediately noticed that they were hostile to his management style and worried they might start talking about him in Spanish.

"Because of that, I asked the people in my presence to speak only English because I do not understand Spanish," Whitten says. "I've been working 24 years in Texas and we have a lot of Spanish people there. I've never had to ask anyone to speak only English in front of me because I've never had a reason to."

Some employees were fired, Whitten says, because they were hostile and insubordinate. He says they called him "a white (N-word)."


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Vote: Should employees be forced to change names?

'I'm professional the way I am'
Fired hotel manager Kathy Archuleta says the workers initially tried to adjust to his style. "We had already gone through four or five owners before him, so we knew what to expect," Archuleta says. "I told (the workers) we needed to give him a chance."

Then Whitten told some employees he was changing their Spanish first names. Whitten says it's a routine practice at his hotels to change first names of employees who work the front desk phones or deal directly with guests if their names are difficult to understand or pronounce.

"It has nothing to do with racism. I'm not doing it for any reason other than for the satisfaction of my guests, because people calling from all over America don't know the Spanish accents or the Spanish culture or Spanish anything," Whitten says.

Martin Gutierrez, another fired employee, says he felt disrespected when he was told to use the unaccented Martin as his name. He says he told Whitten that Spanish was spoken in New Mexico before English. "He told me he didn't care what I thought because this was his business," Gutierrez says.

"I don't have to change my name and language or heritage," he says. "I'm professional the way I am."

'Over the top'
After the firings, the New Mexico chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens, a national civil rights group, sent Whitten a letter, raising concerns about treatment of Hispanic workers. Whitten says he sent them a letter and posted messages on the hotel marquee, alleging that the group referred to him with a racial slur. LULAC denied the charge.

The messages and comments he made in interviews with local media, including referring to townsfolk as "mountain people" and "potheads who escaped society," further enflamed tensions.

Taos Mayor Darren Cordova says Whitten wasn't doing anything illegal. But he says Whitten failed to better familiarize himself with the town and its culture before deciding to buy the hotel for $2 million. "Taos is so unique that you would not do anything in Taos that you would do elsewhere," he says.

Whitten grew subdued as a two-hour interview with The Associated Press progressed. He said he was sorry for the misunderstanding and insisted he has never been against any culture.

"What kind of fool or idiot or poor businessman would I be to orchestrate this whole crazy thing that's costed me a lot of time, money and aggravation?" Whitten said.

Whitten should have dealt with the situation differently, especially in a majority Hispanic town, said 71-year-old Taos artist Ken O'Neil, while sipping his afternoon coffee on the town's historic plaza.

"To make demands like he did just seems over the top," he says. "Nobody won here. It's not always about winning. Sometimes, it's about what you learn."


Wow! just wow! This is deeply offensive to me and my peeps

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2009, 12:57:46 AM »
Cliffs  ???

P.S. I'm surprised a black man can read.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 12:59:04 AM »
Cliffs  ???

P.S. I'm surprised a black man can read.

what happened to your guests?


PS I find it surprising too. His wife probably helped him

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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009, 01:37:44 AM »
Hmmm, so what they did with the immigrant's names at Ellis Island is considered racist?

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2009, 01:40:22 AM »
what happened to your guests?


PS I find it surprising too. His wife probably helped him


They are in bed now. None in my bed unfortunately  :(

I took them on a tour of the city and got some good photos. Just have to wait for them to put them up on facebook so I can steal them  ::)

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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2009, 01:53:31 AM »
Changing names is very wrong, it's disrespectful and had the intent to have the staff seem less hispanic, and can be easily construed as racist (and very likely is!).
Expecting them to speak english is fine however.

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009, 03:31:04 AM »
Should have named them Toby.

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2009, 07:16:54 AM »
Whats the problem ??? :D

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2009, 07:17:28 AM »
Cliffs  ???

P.S. I'm surprised a black man can read.

Cliffs?  Perhaps you're the one who can't ready pasty bird shit.
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2009, 07:28:41 AM »
Cliffs?  Perhaps you're the one who can't ready pasty bird shit.

lol...take a deep breath...

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Re: Wow, this is f*cked up....
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2009, 07:30:58 AM »
He should call the people what they wish to be called.  Let's allow a person that right.

I dunno...

If the girl answering the phone likes to go by the nickname "G-spot", do I want her answering the phone all night?  "Thank you for calling Holilday Inn.  This is G-spot.  How can I help you?"

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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2009, 07:32:53 AM »
He should have just fired them all and sent them back to the tomato fields.  Ingrates....

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2009, 02:09:42 PM »
Hmmm, so what they did with the immigrant's names at Ellis Island is considered racist?

Back then they didn't know any better,  they should be now.  How this guy didn't realize this would come around to bite him in his ass is beyond me.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2009, 02:18:43 PM »
This guy needs to come to NC.  Right to work state where you don't even have to give a reason for firing someone.  Plus the beanpickers know better than to try to go by "Marteen."   ::)

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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2009, 02:20:23 PM »
I dunno...

If the girl answering the phone likes to go by the nickname "G-spot", do I want her answering the phone all night?  "Thank you for calling Holilday Inn.  This is G-spot.  How can I help you?"


You don't hire a secretary with that name, just as you don't hire someone with a tat in his neck for your PR (unless you're Fred Durst).

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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2009, 02:25:19 PM »
This guy needs to come to NC.  Right to work state where you don't even have to give a reason for firing someone.  Plus the beanpickers know better than to try to go by "Marteen."   ::)

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2009, 02:26:34 PM »
the way it should be everywhere

I think once we get you to ease up on country music, you would fit in well down here.  ;D

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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2009, 02:34:04 PM »
He made one major mistake, which is why the story has real legs.  Making them change the pronunciations of their name (or name all together).  That's wrong, no discussion there.

I totally agree with Tre's post.

"He should call the people what they wish to be called.  Let's allow a person that right.
BUT, he has every right to demand that only English be spoken when he's present, unless a staffer is speaking with a Spanish-speaking hotel guest.  He's the boss"


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Re: Wow, this is f*cked up....
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2009, 03:05:43 PM »
Guy is an asshole....I mean come on nothing hard about pronouncing any hispanic name.


As long as they have legal status to be here in the USA, they should be able to have what ever name they want...

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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2009, 03:57:48 PM »
Just call them all Jose.......he signs the checks.When we have meetings at work they say it in English and Spanish...........what the fuck is that! >:(