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Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« on: October 27, 2009, 11:29:46 AM »
Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan
Politico ^ | October 27, 2009 | Manu Raju

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Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:10:17 PM by jazusamo

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Tuesday that he’d back a GOP filibuster of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s health care reform bill.

Lieberman, who caucuses with Democrats and is positioning himself as a fiscal hawk on the issue, said he opposes any health care bill that includes a government-run insurance program — even if it includes a provision allowing states to opt out of the program, as Reid’s has said the Senate bill will.
"We're trying to do too much at once," Lieberman said. “To put this government-created insurance company on top of everything else is just asking for trouble for the taxpayers, for the premium payers and for the national debt. I don’t think we need it now."

Lieberman added that he’d vote against a public option plan “even with an opt-out because it still creates a whole new government entitlement program for which taxpayers will be on the line."

His comments confirmed that Reid is short of the 60 votes needed to advance the bill out of the Senate, even after Reid included the opt-out provision. Several other moderate Democrats expressed skepticism at the proposal as well, but most of the wavering Democratic senators did not go as far as Lieberman Tuesday, saying they were waiting to see the details.

Lieberman did say he's "strongly inclined" to vote to proceed to the debate, but that he’ll ultimately vote to block a floor vote on the bill if it isn’t changed first.

"I've told Sen. Reid that if the bill stays as it is now I will vote against cloture,” he said.

“I can’t see a way in which I could vote for cloture on any bill that contained a creation of a government-operated-run insurance company,” Lieberman added. “It’s just asking for trouble – in the end, the taxpayers are going to pay and probably all people will have health insurance are going to see their premiums go up because there’s going to be cost shifting as there has been for Medicare and Medicaid.”

Lieberman said he “very much” wants to vote for health care reform but that he’s worried about stifling “the economic recovery we’re in” or adding to the federal debt.

“I feel this way about a national, government-created health insurance company – whether it’s a trigger or not,” he said. “My answer is – we’re – we have the opportunity to do some great reforms here. These exchanges that we’re talking about, I think, are going to drive competition and probably bring the cost of health insurance down or at least contain the cost increases for a lot of people. Let’s give that two or three years to see how it works to see how it works before we talk about creating another entitlement that will end up increasing the national debt and putting more of a burden on taxpayers.”

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This whole mess is DOA.


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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 11:36:38 AM »
This whole mess is DOA.

Will the repubs vote along party lines here?

Maybe.

However, remember that medicare and social security were also once looked at as socialist and evil.  now the old ppl can't live without it.

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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2009, 11:38:50 AM »
Will the repubs vote along party lines here?

Maybe.

However, remember that medicare and social security were also once looked at as socialist and evil.  now the old ppl can't live without it.


So what is it now? What do you think the intended result of those 2 programs? To make people dependant on the government, instead of planning ahead.
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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 11:39:07 AM »
Will the repubs vote along party lines here?

Maybe.

However, remember that medicare and social security were also once looked at as socialist and evil.  now the old ppl can't live without it.


Yeah and it has resulted in us having unfunded liabilities of over 65 Trillion Dollars we have no way to pay for.    

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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2009, 11:39:26 AM »
Will the repubs vote along party lines here?

Maybe.

However, remember that medicare and social security were also once looked at as socialist and evil.  now the old ppl can't live without it.


Both programs are BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 11:52:45 AM »
I find it rather amusing that for months you've been posting here saying it's DOA, they don't have the votes, linking to Politico stories which have been proven to be false.  Please find something else to do rather than continuing to post unreliable information.  Perhaps there is another copy of Obama's thesis you can read...hahaha
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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2009, 12:02:14 PM »
I find it rather amusing that for months you've been posting here saying it's DOA, they don't have the votes, linking to Politico stories which have been proven to be false.  Please find something else to do rather than continuing to post unreliable information.  Perhaps there is another copy of Obama's thesis you can read...hahaha

Its DOA KC.  Deal with it.

ObamaCare from day one was a ridiculous concept.  in case you have not paid attention, we are broke beyond comprehension and SS and Medicaire are both insanely underfunded as it is.  Adding another govt entitlement on top of that is the fact path to national suicide, literally.   

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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 12:04:25 PM »
Its DOA KC.  Deal with it.

ObamaCare from day one was a ridiculous concept.  in case you have not paid attention, we are broke beyond comprehension and SS and Medicaire are both insanely underfunded as it is.  Adding another govt entitlement on top of that is the fact path to national suicide, literally.   

Deal with what? You've preached this i don't know how many times and yet it hasn't gone away.  Funny that.
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009, 12:05:54 PM »
Deal with what? You've preached this i don't know how many times and yet it hasn't gone away.  Funny that.

And it was supposed to be done by August.  Look how that worked out.  the fact of the matter is that there is no way to pay for this without crippling tax increases that no one can justify.   

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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2009, 12:10:21 PM »
And it was supposed to be done by August.  Look how that worked out.  the fact of the matter is that there is no way to pay for this without crippling tax increases that no one can justify.   

So because it wasn't done by August it's a non-issue? Bills get delayed all the freaking time it's not new.  You've been going to the well over and over and over again yet everytime you post 'it's dead' from one of your credible 'sources' i.e. Right wing bullsh*t blogger, you just look more like a fool when it's AGAIN proven to be wrong. I'm not saying the public option will get through.  There is a chance it won't but if we listened to you it would have been defeated months ago, yet here it is.  Again. 
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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2009, 12:15:32 PM »
So because it wasn't done by August it's a non-issue? Bills get delayed all the freaking time it's not new.  You've been going to the well over and over and over again yet everytime you post 'it's dead' from one of your credible 'sources' i.e. Right wing bullsh*t blogger, you just look more like a fool when it's AGAIN proven to be wrong. I'm not saying the public option will get through.  There is a chance it won't but if we listened to you it would have been defeated months ago, yet here it is.  Again. 

This thing is DOA KC.  You need to come to grips with basic math and reality.  We are broke as a nation and cant afford this chaos.   

BTW - you know where the money is?  Dear leaders' bailouts and stimulus bill sucked it all up. 

BTW - how is that stimulus working out for you? 


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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009, 12:16:08 PM »
I find it rather amusing that for months you've been posting here saying it's DOA, they don't have the votes, linking to Politico stories which have been proven to be false.  Please find something else to do rather than continuing to post unreliable information.  Perhaps there is another copy of Obama's thesis you can read...hahaha

We will read the thesis as soon as you produce REAL documents on George Bushs' national guard service.

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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2009, 12:16:51 PM »
if 33 and friends are right - and the economy is gonna crash - then national health care would be an absolute requirement.  if the dollar is worth charmin, the healch care companies will all be moving to india anyway.

so 33 has adequately proven the need for national health care coverage!

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2009, 12:18:18 PM »
if 33 and friends are right - and the economy is gonna crash - then national health care would be an absolute requirement.  if the dollar is worth charmin, the healch care companies will all be moving to india anyway.

so 33 has adequately proven the need for national health care coverage!

WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?WHO WILL PAY FOR IT?

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2009, 12:20:01 PM »
if 33 and friends are right - and the economy is gonna crash - then national health care would be an absolute requirement.  if the dollar is worth charmin, the healch care companies will all be moving to india anyway.

so 33 has adequately proven the need for national health care coverage!

And who is going to pay for it? 

BTW - Obamacare is going into effect in 2013, but the tax hikes immediately, so it wont matter what happens. 

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2009, 12:23:36 PM »
so they're gonna tax the hell outta rich and upper-middle class people for 3 years to get some $ together so there's funding for it in 3 years?

is that how it works?

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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2009, 12:26:15 PM »
so they're gonna tax the hell outta rich and upper-middle class people for 3 years to get some $ together so there's funding for it in 3 years?

is that how it works?

AND THEN,IN TEN YEARS IT WILL BE EXACTLY LIKE MEDICARE,MEDICAID,SOCIAL SECURITY,THE POST OFFICE.broke!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2009, 12:27:38 PM »
so they're gonna tax the hell outta rich and upper-middle class people for 3 years to get some $ together so there's funding for it in 3 years?

is that how it works?

You didnt know that 240?  

Yes, its in there bro.  Thats how they got the decent CBO rating.  Its all fucking smoke and mirrors, front load the tax collection and only payout for 6 years.  


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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2009, 12:38:45 PM »
if 33 and friends are right - and the economy is gonna crash - then national health care would be an absolute requirement.  if the dollar is worth charmin, the healch care companies will all be moving to india anyway.

so 33 has adequately proven the need for national health care coverage!


What a brilliant strategy, fucking destroy the economy and any business left and then give "free" health care to everybody ::) Why don't you tell me what give you, the government or anyone else the right to take from one person to give to someone else? I have about had it with you "do-gooder's" and all your bullshit. Every fucking program that the DGer's implement ends up making the original problem 10 time worse and costing the tax payer. You fuckers are so eager to give money away as long as it's not yours.

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Re: Lieberman says he'll filibuster Reid plan. Wow!
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2009, 12:42:08 PM »
240, that's exactly how it got a budget neutral rating.  They load up on taxes for 4 yrs then the program starts.

Medicare and Medicaid are underfunded every year requiring more tax dollars...and they still loose $.  Same with SS.  Did you guys know that the gov. uses some social security dollars for things other than social security payments?  They don't mention that when they said it's broke. They make their own rules as they go.  We can't trust the gov to run more huge programs and entitlements, it will crush the economy.  Let them make laws & mandates that protect people from unfair insurance practices without running healthcare.  

Hats off to Lieberman and the moderate democrats for insisting on some fiscal responsibility.  Let healthcare reform pass without a public gov ran plan.  Someone has got to stop the runaway spending and expansion of government under this liberal congress and administration for god sakes.