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Green Energy Agenda being pushed...
« on: October 27, 2009, 12:02:53 PM »
The will of the people in action.  Of course it's not surprise some people want the status quo, there is still money to be made by these oil whores and more devastation to be had. 

WASHINGTON (CNN) - Top Democrats put the issue of climate change back in the spotlight Tuesday, debating legislation to cut greenhouse gas emissions while announcing $3.4 billion in new clean energy funds.

A key congressional committee began hearings on a "cap-and-trade" bill requiring emissions to be cut by more than 80 percent over the next four decades.

Questions relating to global warming have been among the most politically contentious in recent years. Democrats are generally more receptive to proposals designed to curb energy consumption in order to slow climate change; leading Republicans continue to express concern about the necessity and economic impact of such measures.

President Barack Obama has made the push for greater investment in a clean energy agenda one of his top domestic priorities.

Attempting to move that agenda forward, the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee kicked off hearings on the Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act. Supporters say the bill would reduce nationwide greenhouse gas emissions 20 percent by 2020 and 83 percent by 2050 through a cap-and-trade program under which companies would buy and sell emissions credits.

Almost one-third of the credits would be given away to the electric power sector through 2026 in an effort to diminish negative economic repercussions. Leading Democrats have expressed optimism that the bill would help stimulate the creation of new "green energy" jobs.

The measure is similar to a climate change bill narrowly passed by the House of Representatives in June.

Scientists "tell us that we have a narrow window of time in which to avert the ravages of global warming," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California.

Boxer, who chairs the environment committee, called the legislation "our best insurance against a dangerous future." It is "a responsible approach that sets attainable goals for gradual reductions in carbon emissions, and it protects consumers, businesses and workers as we move toward clean energy," she said.

Committee Republicans tore into the measure. It is "a tax, and it will mean more economic pain and suffering and fewer jobs," warned Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma.

"The victims of cap-and-trade can't just move on and get new, green jobs. The transition will mean leaving high-paying jobs, moving away from home towns and significant reductions in lifetime earnings," he argued.

A number of administration officials testified on behalf of the bill, including Energy Secretary Steven Chu, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.

In all, 54 witnesses are scheduled to testify on the bill over the next three days.

Obama, meanwhile, unveiled what the White House called the largest energy grid modernization investment in American history.

At a Florida solar energy center, the president announced $3.4 billion in Smart Grid Investment Grant awards. The awards, which are being funded through the $787 billion stimulus act, will fund "a broad range of technologies that will spur the nation's transition to a smarter, stronger, more efficient and reliable electric system," according to a White House statement.

"By facilitating the creation of a clean energy economy, building this 21st century energy infrastructure will help us lay a foundation for lasting growth and prosperity," Obama said.

The awards, which are being funded through the $787 billion stimulus act, will fund "a broad range of technologies that will spur the nation's transition to a smarter, stronger, more efficient and reliable electric system," the White House said.

Among other things, the awards will help support the installation of "smart meters" designed to help consumers monitor and control their energy consumption.

The awards, going to 100 private companies, utilities and cities, will be divided into grants ranging from $400,000 to $200 million. They will be matched by another $4.7 billion in private sector funds.

The new climate change push is being made against a backdrop of broad public support for federal action to slow global warming.

Six in 10 Americans support a cap-and-trade proposal to cut pollution, according to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey. Thirty-seven percent are opposed to such a plan.

The survey indicates a generational divide, with 68 percent of Americans under age 50 supporting cap-and-trade, but those 50 and older split on the issue.

"This is one more example of the growing generation gap that is shaping politics and policy in this country," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said.

"Younger Americans voted for Obama and tend to welcome change. Older Americans were less enamored of change in the 2008 election and senior citizens were the only age group that voted for John McCain."

The poll also suggests a partisan divide, with three in four Democrats backing the proposal and nearly six in 10 independents on board as well, but only four in 10 Republicans supporting "cap and trade."

"Independents believe in global warming and believe that the government can take steps to curtail the problem," Holland noted. "But the environment is not a big priority for independents, as it is with Democrats."

The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was conducted October 16-18, with 1,038 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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Re: Green Energy Agenda being pushed...
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 12:17:23 PM »
Global warming is a lie.Blaming it on humans is a lie.Now the FACTS are coming out that a dog produces more carbon then a car.Maybe we should kill all the animals.

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2009, 12:18:38 PM »
The will of the people in action.  Of course it's not surprise some people want the status quo, there is still money to be made by these oil whores and more devastation to be had. 

WASHINGTON (CNN) - Top Democrats put the issue of climate change back in the spotlight Tuesday, debating legislation to cut greenhouse gas emissions while announcing $3.4 billion in new clean energy funds.

A key congressional committee began hearings on a "cap-and-trade" bill requiring emissions to be cut by more than 80 percent over the next four decades.

Questions relating to global warming have been among the most politically contentious in recent years. Democrats are generally more receptive to proposals designed to curb energy consumption in order to slow climate change; leading Republicans continue to express concern about the necessity and economic impact of such measures.

President Barack Obama has made the push for greater investment in a clean energy agenda one of his top domestic priorities.

Attempting to move that agenda forward, the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee kicked off hearings on the Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act. Supporters say the bill would reduce nationwide greenhouse gas emissions 20 percent by 2020 and 83 percent by 2050 through a cap-and-trade program under which companies would buy and sell emissions credits.

Almost one-third of the credits would be given away to the electric power sector through 2026 in an effort to diminish negative economic repercussions. Leading Democrats have expressed optimism that the bill would help stimulate the creation of new "green energy" jobs.

The measure is similar to a climate change bill narrowly passed by the House of Representatives in June.

Scientists "tell us that we have a narrow window of time in which to avert the ravages of global warming," said Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California.

Boxer, who chairs the environment committee, called the legislation "our best insurance against a dangerous future." It is "a responsible approach that sets attainable goals for gradual reductions in carbon emissions, and it protects consumers, businesses and workers as we move toward clean energy," she said.

Committee Republicans tore into the measure. It is "a tax, and it will mean more economic pain and suffering and fewer jobs," warned Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma.

"The victims of cap-and-trade can't just move on and get new, green jobs. The transition will mean leaving high-paying jobs, moving away from home towns and significant reductions in lifetime earnings," he argued.

A number of administration officials testified on behalf of the bill, including Energy Secretary Steven Chu, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.

In all, 54 witnesses are scheduled to testify on the bill over the next three days.

Obama, meanwhile, unveiled what the White House called the largest energy grid modernization investment in American history.

At a Florida solar energy center, the president announced $3.4 billion in Smart Grid Investment Grant awards. The awards, which are being funded through the $787 billion stimulus act, will fund "a broad range of technologies that will spur the nation's transition to a smarter, stronger, more efficient and reliable electric system," according to a White House statement.

"By facilitating the creation of a clean energy economy, building this 21st century energy infrastructure will help us lay a foundation for lasting growth and prosperity," Obama said.

The awards, which are being funded through the $787 billion stimulus act, will fund "a broad range of technologies that will spur the nation's transition to a smarter, stronger, more efficient and reliable electric system," the White House said.

Among other things, the awards will help support the installation of "smart meters" designed to help consumers monitor and control their energy consumption.

The awards, going to 100 private companies, utilities and cities, will be divided into grants ranging from $400,000 to $200 million. They will be matched by another $4.7 billion in private sector funds.

The new climate change push is being made against a backdrop of broad public support for federal action to slow global warming.

Six in 10 Americans support a cap-and-trade proposal to cut pollution, according to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey. Thirty-seven percent are opposed to such a plan.

The survey indicates a generational divide, with 68 percent of Americans under age 50 supporting cap-and-trade, but those 50 and older split on the issue.

"This is one more example of the growing generation gap that is shaping politics and policy in this country," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said.

"Younger Americans voted for Obama and tend to welcome change. Older Americans were less enamored of change in the 2008 election and senior citizens were the only age group that voted for John McCain."

The poll also suggests a partisan divide, with three in four Democrats backing the proposal and nearly six in 10 independents on board as well, but only four in 10 Republicans supporting "cap and trade."

"Independents believe in global warming and believe that the government can take steps to curtail the problem," Holland noted. "But the environment is not a big priority for independents, as it is with Democrats."

The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was conducted October 16-18, with 1,038 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Estimated Job losses from Cap & Tax.

Here is the one that everyone needs to listen to many many times to see what this garbage is all about:




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Re: Green Energy Agenda being pushed...
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 12:28:29 PM »
Estimated Job losses from Cap & Tax.

Here is the one that everyone needs to listen to many many times to see what this garbage is all about:





The sad thing is THATS the goal.Destroy US wealth.Thats Obamas plan.He wants the country to pay for its past "misdeeds".

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Re: Green Energy Agenda being pushed...
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2009, 12:34:35 PM »
This single piece of legislation could severely hurt the democrats in 2010.  It's a disaster economically and will hurt business in this country disproportionally.
Unless there is an international agreement with teeth, this is completely unacceptible.

Cap and trade isn't even debateable IMO.  Healthcare is debateable, not cap & trade.

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Re: Green Energy Agenda being pushed...
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2009, 04:06:52 PM »
Its this kind of shit that really pisses me off. We shat away all of our money on bad and useless stimulus that only stimulated the giant holes in multi-state budgets and another trillion giving $$$ to the very institutions that helped wreck us in the first place. Now they want to fuck us by taking MORE of our money.

To be honest, I would have no problem with them using the stimulus money to do and build something tangible. Like revolutionary rebuilds of our awful mass transit system, spending money on the worst infrastructure (which is still not being touched), new R&D into alternative/Nuclear energy and the list goes on. At the very least we would actually be able to see the super-speed rail corridors being installed, or read about progress in new modes of propulsion and emissions tech. Instead we get fucked, we get more of our money given to Goldman and the traders and hyper speed computer traders, more money to a "general fund" to be pissed away because it can be earmarked for anything not even remotely related to emissions or Green "stuff"....and the kicker is it will fuck our economy and put us at an even bigger disadvantage compared to the rest of the world.

This is an assfucking, a total and complete ass fucking.

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Re: Green Energy Agenda being pushed...
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 06:35:45 PM »
Global warming is a lie.Blaming it on humans is a lie.Now the FACTS are coming out that a dog produces more carbon then a car.Maybe we should kill all the animals.

There are activists opposed to pet ownership for those very reasons...

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Re: Green Energy Agenda being pushed...
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2009, 08:35:47 PM »
Nothing wrong with looking into clean renewable energy now - current non-renewable resources will eventually run out, no matter which side of the fence you sit on.

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2009, 11:43:24 PM »
Quite a bit of research has been done, by the russians mainly, showing that oil may not actually be a "fossil fuel".

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2009, 05:55:29 AM »
Nothing wrong with looking into clean renewable energy now - current non-renewable resources will eventually run out, no matter which side of the fence you sit on.

I agree 100% with you that all alternatives should sought our, pursued, etc.

However, that is not the goal of the current "green movement". 

I know you may think i am crazy, a wong-nut, etc, however, you really should read some of these articles i am posting on cap & trade to see how bad this whole mess is.  It has nothing to do with the environment, but enriching wall street speculators and govt to tax the shit out of us and control our lives even more than they already do. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 06:23:35 AM »
Nothing wrong with looking into clean renewable energy now - current non-renewable resources will eventually run out, no matter which side of the fence you sit on.

We already have the answer.NUKES!!!!However these same enviro kooks dont like that either.

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2009, 08:12:36 PM »
I agree 100% with you that all alternatives should sought our, pursued, etc.

However, that is not the goal of the current "green movement".  

I know you may think i am crazy, a wong-nut, etc, however, you really should read some of these articles i am posting on cap & trade to see how bad this whole mess is.  It has nothing to do with the environment, but enriching wall street speculators and govt to tax the shit out of us and control our lives even more than they already do.  

Yeah the only problem I see is that if you don't put a tax on it the private sector will not make a big effort to move to green power. I think the whole idea is to force the private sector to look into alternative energy - one way of doing that is to artificially increase the cost of non-renewable resources. The other way would be to subsidize the cost of green energy - which may in fact be a better solution.

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 08:15:14 PM »
We already have the answer.NUKES!!!!However these same enviro kooks dont like that either.

Nukes aren't perfect you still have to store the waste - but I agree they are a good interim solution. But they are still a non-renewable resource.

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 06:20:59 AM »
Well,EVERYTHING else they have proposed SUCKS!!!!!!!And is a proven industry killer.THERE ARE NO GREEN JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 08:46:09 PM »
We could pay fat people to ride exercise bikes to generate electricity :P.

Really there is work involved in research and development - also a lot of work involved in retrofitting houses to be more energy efficient.

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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2009, 05:56:38 AM »
We could pay fat people to ride exercise bikes to generate electricity :P.

Really there is work involved in research and development - also a lot of work involved in retrofitting houses to be more energy efficient.

Thats fine, but we should not be going about it via fines, taxes, etc. 

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2009, 06:53:55 AM »
The sad thing is THATS the goal.Destroy US wealth.Thats Obamas plan.He wants the country to pay for its past "misdeeds".

People should have seen it when his horseface wife declared that she was "for the first time in my adult life I am really proud of my country."