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Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« on: October 28, 2009, 08:03:33 AM »
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Why The Rich Are Renting
Stephane Fitch, 10.23.09, 7:00 PM ET


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For well-off folks who don't own a home now and don't mind renting for a while, this is a something of a golden era. That's because renting--particularly at the high end--has become such a startlingly good deal in some cities.

There's no telling how long this period will last. But sellers of fancy homes, while refusing to drop their asking prices, seem happy to lease them out for a year or two on the cheap. It was true earlier this year, but it's even more so now, thanks to some hefty rent reductions.

Falling rents at the high end reflect the overall trend among landlords across the board. Green Street Advisors, a real estate research firm in Newport Beach, Calif., analyzed data from two firms that follow rents, New York-based REIS and Dallas-based Axiometrics. Green Street calculates that the apartment companies it follows, which include AvalonBay Communities, Equity Residential, Essex Property Trust and others, will experience 13% to 15% drops in their rental operating income (that's rent minus property taxes, fix-up costs and other routine expenses) on average during this recession.

We've been looking at preliminary data we've assembled as part of a new Forbes index of luxury rental homes. In November, we'll debut the index, which will cover fancy rental homes in 10 cities. But our early analysis of four of the cities--Chicago, Atlanta, Houston and Boston--shows just how good life can be for wealthy renters right now. (Obviously, the opposite is true for landlords who own high-end homes.) That's because, compared to what the owners are willing to accept for purchase bids, rents have dropped quite a bit versus what we encountered when we did a study of renting versus owning earlier this year.

Consider the situation in Chicago, which looked like a better deal for buyers than it did for renters several months ago. On average, buying a place in the city's tony Gold Coast neighborhood last April would have cost roughly 11 to 12 times the amount you'd spend annually to rent the same or similar property. Now it would cost you more than 20 times the annual rent for equivalent digs.

Take the stately, 7,000-square-foot home for sale right now at 2708 N Lakeview in Chicago's Lincoln Park neighborhood, built in 1915 and recently renovated. The cost to buy this five-bedroom home is $4 million. But the owners are willing to rent it out for $168,000 a year.

The decision to purchase a home versus renting is not solely an investment decision, but you learn a lot looking at it that way. The "return" on the capital you invest when you purchase a home is the amount you save on rent minus the property taxes, fees and fix-up costs that homeownership obliges you to cover.

By that math, the return on home purchases in Chicago was almost 6% earlier this year. It looked smart to buy. Now, with rents falling, the yield on a home purchase in Chicago has slumped to around 3%--less than the yield on 10-year Treasury bonds. So renting seems like a better move.

In Atlanta and Houston, the cost of renting is also low, albeit not quite as low as Chicago when compared to local asking prices. "The number of high-end homes coming into the market has increased as owners and builders have been unable to sell," says Howard Rohan of Atlanta-based Harry Norman Realtors. The result: Lower rents. Rohan and his partner, Fran Allen, can lease you a home in the city's coveted Buckhead neighborhood for one-eighteenth of what it would cost to purchase.

If you decide to buy in Atlanta, you may do OK eventually. We calculated earlier this year that buying in Atlanta would give you a return of 4.6% on your money. It's more like 4% even now.

In Houston, the cost of renting is one-fifteenth the cost of buying. Cheap, but not as cheap as Chicago. And rents in Houston stack up about the same against local purchase prices as they did earlier this year.

Boston looks more like Chicago these days. Buying there costs 20 times as much as renting does. Say you want to live in one of the fancy condominiums at Burroughs Wharf in Boston's North End. Realtor Carmela Laurella can arrange for you to purchase townhouse or penthouse units in that development for $2 million to $3 million. Renting the same units will run between $100,000 to $120,000 a year--a fraction of the 20% down payment you'd have to plunk down on a purchase.

If you're sour on the housing market, put your down payment funds in low-risk bonds and rent instead. The views are just as great.


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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 08:21:57 AM »

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 08:52:12 AM »
Not to mention property taxes and local taxes keep going up...renting is becoming an increasingly attractive option.

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 09:12:32 AM »
Not to mention property taxes and local taxes keep going up...renting is becoming an increasingly attractive option.

I have been trying to convince my GF about this. 

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 09:26:05 AM »
Growing up, we were taught that realestate was a good investment over time and we never had property and local taxes like we do now.
Shit, in my area, taxes on a $300,000 house are $10,000 per year.  I can't imagine what they are in NY.  Overall taxation in this country is becoming more ridiculous.

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 09:37:29 AM »
Growing up, we were taught that realestate was a good investment over time and we never had property and local taxes like we do now.
Shit, in my area, taxes on a $300,000 house are $10,000 per year.  I can't imagine what they are in NY.  Overall taxation in this country is becoming more ridiculous.

Its about that, but most homes here are 500k and up with taxes of 15k and up.  I have one client who pays 60k a year in taxes in scarsdale. 

There is a village called Pelham near me where people pay like 19k for a tiny 1/8 acre with a tiny house on it. 

Its just ridiculous.   

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 09:38:50 AM »
Renting Makes More Financial Sense Than Homeownership

By Jack Hough
Sep 26th, 2008


I have something un-American to confess: I rent an apartment, despite having enough money to buy a house. I plan to keep renting for as long as I can. I'm not just holding out for better prices. Renting will make me richer.
 
I normally write about stocks for SmartMoney.com, but the boss asked me to explain to readers my reason for renting. Here goes: Businesses are great investments while houses are poor ones, so I'd rather rent the latter and own the former.
 
Stocks vs. Houses: Returns
Shares of businesses return 7% a year over long time periods. I'm subtracting for inflation, gradual price increases for everything from a can of beer to an ear exam. (After-inflation or "real" returns are the only ones that matter. The point of increasing wealth is to increase buying power, not numbers on an account statement.) Shares have been remarkably consistent over the past two centuries in their 7% real returns. In Jeremy Siegel's book, "Stocks for the Long Term," he finds that real returns averaged 7.0% over nearly seven decades ending 1870, then 6.6% through 1925 and then 6.9% through 2004.
 
The average real return for houses over long time periods might surprise you. It's zero.
 
Shares return 7% a year after inflation because that's how fast companies tend to increase their profits. Houses have their own version of profits: rents. Tenant-occupied houses generate actual rents while owner-occupied houses generate ones that are implied but no less real: the rents their owners don't have to pay each year. House prices and rents have been closely linked throughout history, with both increasing at the rate of inflation, or about 3% a year since 1900. A house, after all, is an ordinary good. It can't think up ways to drive profits like a company's managers can. Absent artificial boosts to demand, house prices will increase at the rate of inflation over long time periods for a real return of zero.
 
Robert Shiller, a Yale economist and author of "Irrational Exuberance," which predicted the stock price collapse in 2000, has recently turned his eye to house prices. Between 1890 and 2004 he finds that real house returns would've been zero if not for two brief periods: one immediately following World War II and another since about 2000. (More on them in a moment.) Even if we include these periods houses returned just 0.4% a year, he says.
 
The average pundit, planner, lender or broker making the case for ownership doesn't look at returns since 1890. Sometimes they reduce the matter to maxims about "building equity" and "paying yourself" instead of "throwing money down the drain." If they do look at returns they focus on recent ones. Those tell a different story.
 
Between World War II and 2000 house prices beat inflation by about two percentage points a year. (Stocks during that time beat inflation by their usual seven percentage points a year.) Since 2000 houses have outpaced inflation by six percentage points a year. (Stocks have merely matched inflation.)
 
Stocks vs. Houses: Valuations
But while stock returns have come from increased earnings, house returns have come from ballooning valuations, not increased rents. The ratio of share prices to company earnings (the price/earnings ratio) has remained relatively steady. It's about 16 today, close to both its 1940 value of 17 and to its 130-year average of about 15. Not so, the ratio of house prices to rents. In 1940 the median single-family house price was $2,938, according to the U.S. Census, while the median rent was $27 a month, including utilities. That means the ratio of prices to annual rents was 9. By 2000 the ratio had swelled to 17. In 2005 it hit 20. We can adjust for the size of dwellings, but it doesn't make much difference. The ratio of single-family house prices to three-bedroom apartments is 19. In SmartMoney.com's home town of Manhattan, where more detailed data is available, the ratio of condo prices per square foot to apartment rents per square foot is 22.
 
Two main events have caused house valuations to inflate since World War II. First, the government subsidized housing by relaxing borrowing standards. Prior to the creation of the Federal Housing Authority in 1934 house buyers who borrowed typically put up 40% of the purchase price in cash for a five- to 15-year loan. By insuring mortgages, the FHA permitted terms of up to 20 years and down payments of just 20%. It later expanded the repayment periods to 30 years and reduced down payments to 5%. Today down payments for FHA loans are as low as 3%. Aggressive lenders offer loans with no down payments or even negative ones so that house buyers can borrow the full purchase price plus closing costs. Some require little documentation of income, assets or ability to pay.
 
That means more Americans can win loans for homes, and they can win them for far more expensive (larger) homes than their incomes previously allowed. Two-thirds of American households own homes today, up from 44% in 1940, even though the percentage of Americans living alone has tripled during that time. The ratio of house values to incomes has risen 260% in just under four decades.
 
A second event helped boost house demand in recent years. Share prices plunged in 2000. The Federal Reserve, fearing that the decline in stock wealth would cause consumers to stop spending, reduced the federal-funds rate, the core interest rate that determines the cost of everything from credit cards to mortgages, to 1% by the summer of 2003 from 6.5% at the start of 2001. Since most of the cost of financing a house over 30 years is interest, monthly house payments shrank and demand for houses soared. In some markets a string of big yearly increases in house prices led to panic buying.
 
Stocks vs. Houses: Conclusion
For house returns over the next 20 years to match those over the past 20, the government and private lenders would have to "up the ante" by relaxing borrowing standards further. Given the recent attention paid to swelling foreclosures, that seems unlikely. I suspect real returns will turn negative over most of the next two decades, but that house prices won't necessarily dip. Since 1963 they've done so in only two years, vs. 18 for stocks. That's because homeowners mostly just stick it out rather than sell during soft markets. But if house prices remain flat, they produce negative real returns due to the creep of inflation. According to calculations made by The Economist in the summer of 2005, house prices would have to stay flat for 12 years with annual inflation at 2.5% for the ratio of prices to rents to fall from its 2005 perch to merely its 1975 to 2000 average.
 
So to sum up why I rent: Shares right now cost 16 times earnings and over long time periods return 7% a year after inflation. Houses right now cost 19 times their "earnings" and over long time periods return zero after inflation. And they look likely to return less than that for a while.
 
On the following page I've tried to anticipate and address questions and objections.
 
Questions/Objections
"You can't live in your stocks" or "Renters throw money down the drain."
Rent is the cost of owning shares with money you would otherwise spend on a house. Houses have ownership costs, too: taxes, insurance and maintenance. Rent costs about 5% of house prices each year if we apply the price/rent ratio of 19. House incidentals often cost around 2%. If you have $300,000 and a choice between spending it on a house or shares, you'll pay $6,000 a year in incidentals if you buy the house or about $15,000 a year ($1,250 a month) in rent if you buy the shares. But the shares will return $21,000 a year after inflation while the house will return zero. (My numbers work out even better than these. I pay a smidgen less than $1,250 a month for rent, while house prices in my neighborhood are far higher than $300,000.)
 
Note that houses and shares have transaction costs, too. Home buyers pay around 1% in closing costs when they buy and 6% in broker commissions when they sell. Share buyers pay $10 trading commissions, which are negligible for buy-and-hold investors.
 
"House buyers get tax breaks."
So do share buyers, but both are a bad deal. The interest on loans for houses (mortgages) and shares (margin balances) is tax-deductible. But the rates are almost always too high. A big house loan presently costs 6.1% interest while a big stock loan costs about 9%. For the returns, we can forget about inflation because it helps debtors while hurting investors, making it a wash for those who borrow to invest. Still, nominal returns of 3% for houses and 10% for stocks aren't high enough to justify those rates. The tax breaks aren't really breaks at all. Moreover, a majority of homeowners don't claim them. Their incomes are low enough to make the standard deduction a better deal.
 
"What about the pride of home ownership?"
It's not for me. I define ownership as no longer having to pay for something and being able to do as I please with it. I own my coffee maker. House owners must pay taxes each year even when their mortgage payments are done. In certain markets they can't even make changes to the houses they've paid for without seeking the approval of others. Personally, I feel the pride of ownership for shares of businesses, and I'm proud to occupy a nice place while leaving the burden of poor returns and maintenance to someone else.
 
"You seem to knock government housing subsidies, but they've helped many Americans afford homes."
My inner socialist agrees. My other inner socialist worries that the government has effectively raised prices to the point where the middle class can't afford houses, or buries itself in debt to own them. My inner capitalist is too busy watching shares to care about house prices. My inner conspiracy theorist notes that while politicians tout the social benefits of homeownership none mentions its tax benefits to the government. I pay no taxes on the overall value of my stock portfolio, just on my cashed-in gains and collected dividends. But Americans pay taxes on the full $11 trillion worth of housing they own plus the $10 trillion worth of it they're still paying off.
 
"Houses are bigger than apartments."
True, and both can be rented. A third of renters live in single-family houses. I prefer an apartment for now. I like not having to fill it with stuff. I like using a fifth of the energy of the average American. I like being 20 minutes from work and (this is unique to New Yorkers) not having owned a car in 10 years. I like not stressing over whether to get the marble countertops or the imported tiles or the 52-inch flat screen. I'm not especially frugal; I spend a teacher's salary each year on restaurants and travel. But I guess I'm too busy or lazy right now to bother with a big house and its innards.
 
"Are you saying I should sell my big house and rent an apartment instead?"
No, unless you have more space than you need and moving wouldn't be disruptive to your family, and you want to cash in on recent housing gains, make more money over the next couple of decades, use less energy while simplifying your life, and you don't mind seeming odd to friends. In which case, yes. But really, I'm not trying to win anyone over. Strong demand for houses keeps my rent cheap.
 
"Renting is for poor people."
True. But it's for rich people, too. The average renter makes about $34,000 a year, but while the percentage of renters declines after incomes exceed $20,000 and rents exceed $600 a month, it jumps again once incomes top $150,000 and rents top $1,200 a month. In other words, poor people rent modest apartments for lack of choice. Middle-income people buy houses. High-income people, presumably with a dose of financial savvy, often rent nice apartments instead of buying.
 
"You say houses return zero. But I've made a fortune on my house in recent years."
I'm referring to inflation-adjusted returns over long time periods, absent external boosts to demand. You're referring to gross returns over a short time period that combined lax borrowing standards and ultra-low interest rates. Over the next 20 years I believe houses will return zero or slightly less after inflation and that stocks will return 7%.
 
"So you're never going to buy a house? What about raising a family?"
I might buy one eventually, but the longer I can put it off the more I'll get out of the shares I'll have to sell to afford it. I'm 34 now with a fiancée and a fish. I'm going to try to rent for at least 10 more years. If I have kids I'll probably move into a big apartment or a house once they reach running-around age. I'll rent, most likely.

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 09:47:39 AM »
Good article Loco. 

In my area, the largest consideration in this scenario are real estate taxes.  If you are paying 12k a year in taxes, that is the same as paying every year on an additional 150k mortgage, year after year, after year. 

Imagine if you have and extra 150k what you can do with it other than give it to the thieves in govt?   

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 10:00:54 AM »
Long but good article.  Lots of details confirming our thoughts on renting.
I say if you want to stay in a home for a long time (meaning you see yourself not leaving), owning is still wise.  If you plan on staying in a house less than 10 yrs, rent.

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2009, 07:46:10 PM »
I know  3 couples who have purchased homes > 2million in the last 4 months and a few others that have bought in the 800-900k range so at least in some areas people are seeing value at the current prices

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 11:39:00 PM »
Not sure if anyone pointed it out, but paying 168000 a year is 14000 a month.  No one in their right mind would rent that.

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 12:41:38 AM »
My reasons for not owning a home:

1.I don't have to cut the damn grass

2.If I get crappy neighbors I can just - move

3.Don't have to clean out gutters or whack down tree branches

4.Don't have to pay a property tax

5.I never get a cluttered feeling. Every time I move I get to throw away ''junk''

6.Septic tank is not my problem

I'm sure I could list more, but don't feel like thinking hard. Personally, I would rather pay rent and have no maintenance. Sure my landlord is smiling hard and pocketing slabs of cash, but when he comes by to unstop the toilet he's going to have a lot of shit on his hands while I'm in the recliner eatin' Talapia.

Just cause you rent doesn't make you less powerful. In fact, you have more power. People need to get over this notion that they need to own a home. No you don't.  We will all be in nursing homes before the very end anyway.


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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 06:22:59 AM »
My reasons for not owning a home:

1.I don't have to cut the damn grass

2.If I get crappy neighbors I can just - move

3.Don't have to clean out gutters or whack down tree branches

4.Don't have to pay a property tax

5.I never get a cluttered feeling. Every time I move I get to throw away ''junk''

6.Septic tank is not my problem

I'm sure I could list more, but don't feel like thinking hard. Personally, I would rather pay rent and have no maintenance. Sure my landlord is smiling hard and pocketing slabs of cash, but when he comes by to unstop the toilet he's going to have a lot of shit on his hands while I'm in the recliner eatin' Talapia.

Just cause you rent doesn't make you less powerful. In fact, you have more power. People need to get over this notion that they need to own a home. No you don't.  We will all be in nursing homes before the very end anyway.



Good reasons!

If you own a home in the USA, you do get a federal government income tax break, but on the other hand you have to spend money on

Property tax

Home insurance

Home maintenance

Mortgage payments

Mortgage Insurance

And a home is almost like a ball and chain.  If you rent and decide to get a job in a different state and move, you can easily do that.  That's not nearly as easy if you own a home.

Ralph Nader has millions in his bank account, but he does not own a home...or a car for that matter.  I guess he believes homes and cars are "unsafe at any speed."      ;D

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 09:39:51 AM »
Good reasons!

If you own a home in the USA, you do get a federal government income tax break, but on the other hand you have to spend money on

Property tax

Home insurance

Home maintenance

Mortgage payments

Mortgage Insurance

And a home is almost like a ball and chain.  If you rent and decide to get a job in a different state and move, you can easily do that.  That's not nearly as easy if you own a home.

Ralph Nader has millions in his bank account, but he does not own a home...or a car for that matter.  I guess he believes homes and cars are "unsafe at any speed."      ;D

If Ralph Nader purchased a home in the 60/70/80's he could have paid it off by now and would only have taxes and maintenance and also have an asset that would be worth much more than he paid for it, even in this current market

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 09:56:34 AM »
If Ralph Nader purchased a home in the 60/70/80's he could have paid it off by now and would only have taxes and maintenance and also have an asset that would be worth much more than he paid for it, even in this current market

Eddie Murphy slashes price of $30M New Jersey estate, Bubble Hill, to $15M
October 22nd 2009

Funnyman Eddie Murphy won't be joking over this.

Nearly five years after his posh seven-bedroom Englewood, N.J., mansion went on the market for $30 million, the actor has slashed $15 million off the asking price.

And still no buyers.

Annual taxes alone are $197,723.

http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2009/10/21/2009-10-21_eddies_house_sale_nj_estate_slashed_from_30m_to_15m_as_murphy_finds_few_laughs_i.html

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 10:14:36 AM »


If you own a home in the USA, you do get a federal government income tax break, but on the other hand you have to spend money on


Not if you qualify for AMT.   AMT fucking sucks.
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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 12:54:07 PM »
Not if you qualify for AMT.   AMT fucking sucks.

AMT is something that Dems/Repubs/Independents should all agree needs to be fixed or even better eliminated.

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 12:57:05 PM »
Eddie Murphy slashes price of $30M New Jersey estate, Bubble Hill, to $15M
October 22nd 2009

Funnyman Eddie Murphy won't be joking over this.

Nearly five years after his posh seven-bedroom Englewood, N.J., mansion went on the market for $30 million, the actor has slashed $15 million off the asking price.

And still no buyers.

Annual taxes alone are $197,723.

http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2009/10/21/2009-10-21_eddies_house_sale_nj_estate_slashed_from_30m_to_15m_as_murphy_finds_few_laughs_i.html

A 30 or 15 million dollar property is not a valid comparison of what a normal person would be doing

Murphy or Nader could have bought a modest or even a nice home in the 80's and paid it off and be fine today

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2009, 01:04:41 PM »
Renting vs. Buying: The Realities of Home-Ownership

Monday, 16th July 2007 (by J.D.) 
This article is about Choices, House and Home

This is a guest-post from Tim Ellis, author of Seattle Bubble, a blog and forum dedicated to discussing real estate market conditions in the Seattle area.

    “If you rent, you’re throwing away your money.”
    “Owning your own home is a forced savings plan.”
    “Home ownership is an excellent path to build wealth.”

You’ve probably heard statements like these plenty of times. On television, radio, the internet, and in casual conversation. Such sentiments are common in any discussion that involves home-buying and personal finances. It’s common knowledge that buying a home is a better financial move than renting. After all, you’re building equity instead of throwing away your money, right? Well, maybe not quite… Rather than assuming the “common knowledge” on this subject is accurate, let’s take a look for ourselves at some of the financial differences between renting and home-buying.

A Real-World Example
For the purpose of comparing renting to owning in this article, I’ll be using real-world data gathered from my area (northeast of Seattle). Although most first-time buyers tend to move from renting an apartment to buying a larger, stand-alone house, as much as I can I will compare apples to apples.

    * For rent, I located a 3-bed, 2.5-bath, 1,840 sqft house with an attached 2-car garage, on 0.2 acres. Monthly price: $1,495.
    * For purchase I found a 3-bed, 2.5-bath, 1,850 sqft house with an attached 2-car garage, on 0.22 acres. Price: $424,950.

The two homes are located within two miles of each other in similar neighborhoods, and neither is located on a busy road. We’ll assume that our hypothetical homebuyer is a married couple with $85,000 in the bank to make a 20% down payment. To calculate mortgage payments we will use a recent 30-year fixed interest rate of 6.25%.

Let’s look at how the monthly costs break down (approximately) for our hypothetical potential first-time homebuyer:
     Renting       Buying   
Rent/Mortgage:       $1,495    $2,093
Insurance:    $20    $163
Property Tax:    -    $407
Tax Savings*:    -    ($327)
Maintenance:    -    $354
Total:    $1,515    $2,690

*: (less standard deduction)

Right off the bat, you see that simply trading straight across from renting to owning results in a 78% more expensive monthly bill. That’s not exactly chump change. With even a slight upgrade from renting to buying (which most first-time buyers are prone to do), you can easily see how the total monthly costs would be more than double.

“If you rent, you’re throwing away your money.”
Common knowledge says that despite today’s large premium, buying a home is a “good investment”. Hey, at least you’re not “throwing away” your money, right? True, the renter in our scenario spends $1,515 every month that they will never see again. I wouldn’t exactly say it has been “thrown away” any more than money spent on any other good or service is “thrown away,” but granted, there is zero financial return on that money.

However, when you take a look at the breakdown of the homebuyer’s monthly expenses, a large amount is money that will never return, either. Insurance, property tax (less tax savings), and maintenance, add up to $517 every month that is being “thrown away.” Even worse is the amount spent on mortgage interest. Consider how much of a mortgage payment is applied toward loan interest throughout the life of a 30-year fixed loan:
Years       % toward interest
0-5    ~80%
6-10    ~70%
11-15    ~60%
16-20    ~50%
21-25    ~35%
26-30    ~10%

In the first five years, approximately 80% of the mortgage payment goes toward interest. That’s an additional $1,674, for a total of $2,191 being “thrown away” every single month by the homebuyer for the first five years. Ouch! In fact, not until the homebuyer has been paying down the mortgage for over 20 years will the amount they are “throwing away” be less than the renter.


“Owning your own home is a forced savings plan.”
As you can see above, if home buying is like a savings plan, it’s probably the worst savings plan on Earth. Would you voluntarily sign up for a savings plan where well over half of the money you deposit in the first 20 years simply vanishes, and from which you can only withdraw money by relocating and paying a 6-9% fee (not on the amount you have “saved” mind you, but on the total sale price of the home)? Of course not. That doesn’t sound anything like a savings plan.

If our potential homebuyer has that $85,000 saved up for a down payment and deposits it along with just half of the monthly savings over buying ($578 per month) into an account at 8% interest, the balance will be nearly $300,000 in just 10 years. That’s a liquid investment, that can be used for whatever you want, no relocation required. Buying a home is not a savings plan. Actually saving money every month is a savings plan.

“Home ownership is an excellent path to build wealth.”
If your goal is to build wealth, you will be much better off investing your money in the stock market than buying a home. While both stocks and housing are cyclical markets, long-term historic trends show that housing appreciates at a rate barely above inflation, while stocks tend to return an inflation-adjusted 7-10%. In our hypothetical scenario, a renter who invested in the stock market with the $85,000 down payment plus the monthly difference between the $1,515 rent and the $2,690 home-buying costs would be over $500,000 better off after 30 years than the homebuyer, assuming 4% average appreciation.

An important thing to consider is that home prices in the United States are just now beginning to correct from an enormous unprecedented run-up in recent years. Despite what those in the business of selling real estate may insist, the correction in housing is still in the early stages. Four percent is most likely overly optimistic for most areas in the next 5-10 years. The only thing we know for sure is that double-digit gains are gone and won’t be coming back any time soon.

Also keep in mind — I mentioned it above but it bears repeating — in order to cash in on any “wealth” you build through your home you will need to sell that home and move. No, “extracting equity” does not count, since that simply results in a larger debt. Debt is not equal to Wealth.

Conclusion
For most people buying a home will result in their largest monthly bill (by far), and because they believe that it will bring them wealth or that they are “throwing away their money” if they rent, they often take on a much larger home debt than a prudent budget would allow. It is a real shame when people are driven to get into the housing market because of misplaced notions of imagined financial benefits. Of course, everyone’s circumstances are different, and for some (particularly those that live away from the coasts) the numbers may actually work out in favor of buying.

Don’t misunderstand me here. I am not saying that no one should buy a home, or that my example scenario is a golden standard of truth for all. Don’t take my word for it. Run the numbers for yourself, check out other articles (a small collection is listed below), and do what works for you. I highly recommend the great graphical calculator from The New York Times for comparing the financial aspects of renting and buying. Many people will consider all of the consequences — financial, emotional, etc. — and conclude that buying a home is the best decision. Just don’t trick yourself into thinking it’s a good financial decision if it’s not.

I myself intend to buy a house some day. However when that day comes, I will be buying a house because I want a nice, “permanent” place to live where I’m the boss, not because I think it will help me get me rich.


http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/07/16/renting-vs-buying-the-realities-of-home-buying/

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2009, 01:04:47 PM »
AMT is something that Dems/Repubs/Independents should all agree needs to be fixed or even better eliminated.

Absolutely.  I thought it was supposed to be in the stimulus bill for this year (it might be, not sure).

I'm really surprised it hasn't garnered a more vocal opposition.  I'm on the income level where the delta between AMT/no AMT is a big difference.  I used to go from getting a couple thousand back to paying 5+ thousand a year, or about an 8 grand swing.   I can guarantee I would pour at least half of that back into goods and services.

Yes, it doesn't hurt the guys who make millions, but those of us right on the border of it get screwed.
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 01:19:03 PM »
Straw- if I had 15 mill, I would not even look at that house. 

The carrying costs alone are probably 100k a month or better.

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Re: Why the Rich are Renting vs. Purchasing Real Estate
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Renting vs. Buying: The Realities of Home-Ownership

Monday, 16th July 2007 (by J.D.) 
This article is about Choices, House and Home

This is a guest-post from Tim Ellis, author of Seattle Bubble, a blog and forum dedicated to discussing real estate market conditions in the Seattle area.

    “If you rent, you’re throwing away your money.”
    “Owning your own home is a forced savings plan.”
    “Home ownership is an excellent path to build wealth.”

You’ve probably heard statements like these plenty of times. On television, radio, the internet, and in casual conversation. Such sentiments are common in any discussion that involves home-buying and personal finances. It’s common knowledge that buying a home is a better financial move than renting. After all, you’re building equity instead of throwing away your money, right? Well, maybe not quite… Rather than assuming the “common knowledge” on this subject is accurate, let’s take a look for ourselves at some of the financial differences between renting and home-buying.

A Real-World Example
For the purpose of comparing renting to owning in this article, I’ll be using real-world data gathered from my area (northeast of Seattle). Although most first-time buyers tend to move from renting an apartment to buying a larger, stand-alone house, as much as I can I will compare apples to apples.

    * For rent, I located a 3-bed, 2.5-bath, 1,840 sqft house with an attached 2-car garage, on 0.2 acres. Monthly price: $1,495.
    * For purchase I found a 3-bed, 2.5-bath, 1,850 sqft house with an attached 2-car garage, on 0.22 acres. Price: $424,950.

The two homes are located within two miles of each other in similar neighborhoods, and neither is located on a busy road. We’ll assume that our hypothetical homebuyer is a married couple with $85,000 in the bank to make a 20% down payment. To calculate mortgage payments we will use a recent 30-year fixed interest rate of 6.25%.

Let’s look at how the monthly costs break down (approximately) for our hypothetical potential first-time homebuyer:
     Renting       Buying   
Rent/Mortgage:       $1,495    $2,093
Insurance:    $20    $163
Property Tax:    -    $407
Tax Savings*:    -    ($327)
Maintenance:    -    $354
Total:    $1,515    $2,690

*: (less standard deduction)

Right off the bat, you see that simply trading straight across from renting to owning results in a 78% more expensive monthly bill. That’s not exactly chump change. With even a slight upgrade from renting to buying (which most first-time buyers are prone to do), you can easily see how the total monthly costs would be more than double.

“If you rent, you’re throwing away your money.”
Common knowledge says that despite today’s large premium, buying a home is a “good investment”. Hey, at least you’re not “throwing away” your money, right? True, the renter in our scenario spends $1,515 every month that they will never see again. I wouldn’t exactly say it has been “thrown away” any more than money spent on any other good or service is “thrown away,” but granted, there is zero financial return on that money.

However, when you take a look at the breakdown of the homebuyer’s monthly expenses, a large amount is money that will never return, either. Insurance, property tax (less tax savings), and maintenance, add up to $517 every month that is being “thrown away.” Even worse is the amount spent on mortgage interest. Consider how much of a mortgage payment is applied toward loan interest throughout the life of a 30-year fixed loan:
Years       % toward interest
0-5    ~80%
6-10    ~70%
11-15    ~60%
16-20    ~50%
21-25    ~35%
26-30    ~10%

In the first five years, approximately 80% of the mortgage payment goes toward interest. That’s an additional $1,674, for a total of $2,191 being “thrown away” every single month by the homebuyer for the first five years. Ouch! In fact, not until the homebuyer has been paying down the mortgage for over 20 years will the amount they are “throwing away” be less than the renter.


“Owning your own home is a forced savings plan.”
As you can see above, if home buying is like a savings plan, it’s probably the worst savings plan on Earth. Would you voluntarily sign up for a savings plan where well over half of the money you deposit in the first 20 years simply vanishes, and from which you can only withdraw money by relocating and paying a 6-9% fee (not on the amount you have “saved” mind you, but on the total sale price of the home)? Of course not. That doesn’t sound anything like a savings plan.

If our potential homebuyer has that $85,000 saved up for a down payment and deposits it along with just half of the monthly savings over buying ($578 per month) into an account at 8% interest, the balance will be nearly $300,000 in just 10 years. That’s a liquid investment, that can be used for whatever you want, no relocation required. Buying a home is not a savings plan. Actually saving money every month is a savings plan.

“Home ownership is an excellent path to build wealth.”
If your goal is to build wealth, you will be much better off investing your money in the stock market than buying a home. While both stocks and housing are cyclical markets, long-term historic trends show that housing appreciates at a rate barely above inflation, while stocks tend to return an inflation-adjusted 7-10%. In our hypothetical scenario, a renter who invested in the stock market with the $85,000 down payment plus the monthly difference between the $1,515 rent and the $2,690 home-buying costs would be over $500,000 better off after 30 years than the homebuyer, assuming 4% average appreciation.

An important thing to consider is that home prices in the United States are just now beginning to correct from an enormous unprecedented run-up in recent years. Despite what those in the business of selling real estate may insist, the correction in housing is still in the early stages. Four percent is most likely overly optimistic for most areas in the next 5-10 years. The only thing we know for sure is that double-digit gains are gone and won’t be coming back any time soon.

Also keep in mind — I mentioned it above but it bears repeating — in order to cash in on any “wealth” you build through your home you will need to sell that home and move. No, “extracting equity” does not count, since that simply results in a larger debt. Debt is not equal to Wealth.

Conclusion
For most people buying a home will result in their largest monthly bill (by far), and because they believe that it will bring them wealth or that they are “throwing away their money” if they rent, they often take on a much larger home debt than a prudent budget would allow. It is a real shame when people are driven to get into the housing market because of misplaced notions of imagined financial benefits. Of course, everyone’s circumstances are different, and for some (particularly those that live away from the coasts) the numbers may actually work out in favor of buying.

Don’t misunderstand me here. I am not saying that no one should buy a home, or that my example scenario is a golden standard of truth for all. Don’t take my word for it. Run the numbers for yourself, check out other articles (a small collection is listed below), and do what works for you. I highly recommend the great graphical calculator from The New York Times for comparing the financial aspects of renting and buying. Many people will consider all of the consequences — financial, emotional, etc. — and conclude that buying a home is the best decision. Just don’t trick yourself into thinking it’s a good financial decision if it’s not.

I myself intend to buy a house some day. However when that day comes, I will be buying a house because I want a nice, “permanent” place to live where I’m the boss, not because I think it will help me get me rich.


http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/07/16/renting-vs-buying-the-realities-of-home-buying/
''Actually saving money every month is a savings plan.''

Good read. He really broke it down. I agree.