Gunfire incident at the home of Lou Dobbs

[Fury]

A true conservative would never have the economic views you do. 

It's interesting that you hate socialism yet complain about the ultra rich in this country making a lot of money.

[Soul Crusher]

It's interesting that you hate socialism yet complain about the ultra rich in this country making a lot of money.

I have no problem with the ultra rich who did the right way and dont rely on the govt to do it. 

What I despise is Too Big Too Fail, corrupt lobbyists, white collar criminals like GS, and wall street banksters who dont provide anything to the economy of 99% of the population. 

They make their money running ponzi schemes and frauds.   

[Fury]

I have no problem with the ultra rich who did the right way and dont rely on the govt to do it. 

What I despise is Too Big Too Fail, corrupt lobbyists, white collar criminals like GS, and wall street banksters who dont provide anything to the economy of 99% of the population. 

They make their money running ponzi schemes and frauds.   

I don't understand this. You can make the argument that your typical office worker doesn't provide anything to the economy of 99% of the population. Are the bankers different because they make a lot more money doing it?

[Soul Crusher]

I don't understand this. You can make the argument that your typical office worker doesn't provide anything to the economy of 99% of the population. Are the bankers different because they make a lot more money doing it?

Tell me what someone engaging in high speed computer trading of stocks, private deals of CDO's based on nothing, etc, provides to the economy?  What product or service are they providing the economy or other businesses?  Additionally, they are not even gambling their own money! 

These criminals are gambling with pension fund money, govt funds, etc.     

Its one thing if they are lending to finance new business ventures, etc, but thats not how these criminals made so much money.  They did it through white collar crime.  Dylan Ratigan has outlined the nature of these ponzi schemes many times and you would be well served to go view these videos. 

   

[Fury]

Tell me what someone engaging in high speed computer trading of stocks, private deals of CDO's based on nothing, etc, provides to the economy?  What product or service are they providing the economy or other businesses?  Additionally, they are not even gambling their own money!  

These criminals are gambling with pension fund money, govt funds, etc.      

Its one thing if they are lending to finance new business ventures, etc, but thats not how these criminals made so much money.  They did it through white collar crime.  Dylan Ratigan has outlined the nature of these ponzi schemes many times and you would be well served to go view these videos.  

  

You can make that argument about anyone who isn't serving on an assembly line. What determines who actually provides something of value to this economy?

[Soul Crusher]

You can make that argument about anyone who isn't serving on an assembly line. What determines who actually provides something of value to this economy?

They committed crimes for fucks sake in how they gambled and forced us to pay them off. 

[Soul Crusher]

Maybe you can learn something. 

[Fury]

They committed crimes for fucks sake in how they gambled and forced us to pay them off. 

That's besides the point. You're saying that the entire financial industry provides nothing of value to the economy. And if what they do is not of value, then one can make the argument that anyone who works in an office setting doesn't produce anything of value. So then, who does?

[Soul Crusher]

That's besides the point. You're saying that the entire financial industry provides nothing of value to the economy. And if what they do is not of value, then one can make the argument that anyone who works in an office setting doesn't produce anything of value. So then, who does?

Not true - "boring banking" has a very important role.  Banks were traditionally meant to fund business ventures, provide lines of credit to finance payroll, etc, NOT GAMBLE IN RISKY SCHEMES WITH GOVT PENSION FUNDS!   

Tell me - what service or product do these casinos offer that are accesible to other businesses or people? 

Nothing.

 

[240 is Back]

A true conservative would never have the economic views you do.  

A true conservative wouldn't have borrowed 4.5 trillion bucks from 01 to 08 (as bush did) for two elective wars.

I think without intervention, the banking, automaking systems would have collapsed, which would have led to a dollar collapse.  it's that simple.

We only were in this hole thanks to Dubya.

Obama could have let us take the hit, or he could have given up control of the place, which he did, to whatever bankerss seem to rule the place.  

He was given a boat full of water from a gaping hole, and the guy rescuing him demanded a million dollars for the lifeline.  

[Soul Crusher]

A true conservative wouldn't have borrowed 4.5 trillion bucks from 01 to 08 (as bush did) for two elective wars.

I think without intervention, the banking, automaking systems would have collapsed, which would have led to a dollar collapse.  it's that simple.

We only were in this hole thanks to Dubya.

Obama could have let us take the hit, or he could have given up control of the place, which he did, to whatever bankerss seem to rule the place.  

He was given a boat full of water from a gaping hole, and the guy rescuing him demanded a million dollars for the lifeline.  

more spin. 

Go watch "The Warning" and educate yourself why we are here. 

[tonymctones]

Yes, they call me a lib, even though I voted Bush or libertarian my whole life.  They call me a lib, even though I'd presonally execute ten terrorists and 20 rapists then eat a ham sandwich, then tear up the welfare and unemployment checks of half the dirtbags on my block.  They call me a lib even though 90% of my positions are republican.

They call me a lib because they don't know what a true conservative is

you completely missed the point moron OZ basically said you were a lib

we dont consider beach a lib even though he voted clinton b/c of his views

we do consider you a lib even though you voted bush b/c of your views

Get it? 

[240 is Back]

we do consider you a lib even though you voted bush b/c of your views

please list my lib views

[tonymctones]

please list my lib views

everytime you defend obama and his agenda 240 you are showing your lib views...

[Hugo Chavez]

3333, how in the hell have you not noticed yet that BF doesn't actually give a shit about anything he says here, unless it's about muslims.  He's trolling for a meltdown/owning.  Don't reply to him when he's doing that shit.

[240 is Back]

everytime you defend obama and his agenda 240 you are showing your lib views...

sorry, that doesn't fly.

Please list the specific lib views I hold

[tonymctones]

sorry, that doesn't fly.

Please list the specific lib views I hold

actually it does fly...sorry hoss but ill point them out to you one by one when you do them which will be very very soon 

[240 is Back]

actually it does fly...sorry hoss but ill point them out to you one by one when you do them which will be very very soon 

ok.  i am for the stim bill... what else could you do?

the war... eh, do what you gotta do.

now on the repub /conservative side, i'm an (R) on most domestic issues. 

In 2008 I would have happily voted Ron Paul.

[OzmO]

Umm just for the record.....

I mention 240, because he is viewed by many conservatives here as liberal, yet he did vote for BUSH.

Is 240 liberal?  Only RUSH would know.   

[Eyeball Chambers]

LETS PICK 240 OUT OF THIS GROUP OF CRIMINALS
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holy shit that's hilarious....

I challenge you all to try and find even one mug shot displaying a Bush/Cheney shirt. 

(Although Bush/Cheney should have had mug shots taken and been arrested themselves)

[tonymctones]

Umm just for the record.....

I mention 240, because he is viewed by many conservatives here as liberal, yet he did vote for BUSH.

Is 240 liberal?  Only RUSH would know.   

LOL I understand that I probably would have voted hillary this last election if she had won the primaries for the sole reason that at least we knew what we were getting with her. Obama played himself as the "great uniter" the "middle man" the one who was going to take both parties hand in hand and walk us to utopia.

He has turned out to be exactly what many ppl on here thought he would be and what many ppl on here argued he wasnt and what many ppl on here still argue he isnt...240

[Soul Crusher]

LOL I understand that I probably would have voted hillary this last election if she had won the primaries for the sole reason that at least we knew what we were getting with her. Obama played himself as the "great uniter" the "middle man" the one who was going to take both parties hand in hand and walk us to utopia.

He has turned out to be exactly what many ppl on here thought he would be and what many ppl on here argued he wasnt and what many ppl on here still argue he isnt...240

[tonymctones]

nice went shooting the other day to make sure my deer rifle was still good to go but it the range was packed so we shot pistols. My target looked alot like that the entire bullseye was gone but i had a good number of strays too  I guess I need more practice.

[240 is Back]

33, would you, like tony, have voted hilary in 2008 had she won the nod and faced mccain?

[Soul Crusher]

33, would you, like tony, have voted hilary in 2008 had she won the nod and faced mccain?

No.  I voted for McCain for four reasons.

1.  Supreme Court Picks 
2.  Foreign policy experiece
3.  Check on the radical freaks in congress

and and and and of course