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Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« on: October 31, 2009, 12:28:27 PM »
Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Pentagon official says estimate puts cost of adding 40,000 troops at $20 billion a year
Official cost could be higher, as some things were left out of rough estimate
Obama meets with officials Friday to review Afghanistan strategy
Army, Marines leaders expressed concerns over "dwell time"


Washington (CNN) -- If President Obama decides to send the 40,000 additional forces to Afghanistan as requested by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, a rough estimate by the Pentagon projects the cost could be an additional $20 billion a year, according to a senior Pentagon official.

The official said the Defense Department comptrollers office has told Congress that based on rough estimates, the total cost of keeping an individual service member in the war zone is now about $500,000 a year.

That includes the costs of personnel operations and maintenance costs, some equipment and hazardous duty pay.

The actual costs could be higher, because the estimate does not include the cost of constructing additional facilities, providing support forces such as military intelligence assets that may be based outside Afghanistan or replacing damaged weapons or equipment. The official emphasized that until there is a formal troop plan, the costs are just estimated.

The official would not be identified because the estimates are not official.

The ongoing review of the strategy for Afghanistan continued Friday, with Obama meeting with Defense Secretary Robert Gates; Adm. Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and the heads of the four military services.

The heads of the Army and Marines, who provide the bulk of troops for the war, have expressed concern that if they send a large number of additional troops, they will have to cut down on the time troops spend in between deployments, known as "dwell time."

Marines have only about 8,000 troops they can add without impinging on dwell time. The Army has about 12 brigades, or approximately 48,000 soldiers, that are not deployed or committed to deploy.

Regardless of the number of troops being sent, a deployment will be phased over time because of the lack of facilities in the country to house and support a large deployment, the official said.

McChrystal's plan calls for sending a majority of the forces he is requesting to the south, especially to reinforce Kandahar and Helmand provinces, and the region around Kabul, several military and Pentagon sources said. McChrystal also intends to reserve a number of forces for training Afghan forces, officials said.

But one official noted that if that plan is put into effect, additional forces would be needed to be sent to areas that the Taliban might then flee, such as the northern region.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/30/afghanistan.costs/index.html

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 12:32:28 PM »
Or we could all die in a mushroom cloud...dirty bomb...hijacking...skycr apper etyc etc etc..and then maybe 500k won't look so bad. I have no doubt that the campaigner in chief will split the difference and then find some poltically opertune time to pull out, thus kicking the can down the road for adults to deal with. This war just gets in his way.
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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 12:40:34 PM »
did it cost the same under bush?  this should be a non-issue... if repubs were cool with Bush hammering iraq with the surge - reglardless of the cost - then they can't bitch about obama blowing $ on soldiers.

however, the left is probably the group doing the bitching about the cost of war.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 12:43:07 PM »
Yeah..because all that worthwhile TARP/Bailout money is saving jobs and the economy and could use some of that "Bush war" money to really put it over the top. Field Marshall Biden and his ninja predator plan will be much cheaper to execute then actually trying to win.
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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 12:54:12 PM »
In my opinion, this is the biggest reason not to do it.  I couldn't make a decision unless I had all the intell...but it's disgusting all the money, our money, that is being wasted on wars, big government, minimally successful stimulus, bailouts, healthcare.  It's bullshit.  Cut spending across the board.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 09:36:12 PM »
Or we could all die in a mushroom cloud...dirty bomb...hijacking...skycr apper etyc etc etc..and then maybe 500k won't look so bad. I have no doubt that the campaigner in chief will split the difference and then find some poltically opertune time to pull out, thus kicking the can down the road for adults to deal with. This war just gets in his way.

all those things could just as easily happen if we're there or not.

I have mixed feeling about Afghanistan and I'm not sure what exactly the end game is and we (as a country) do have to consider the cost/benefit.


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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2009, 12:42:10 AM »
all those things could just as easily happen if we're there or not.

I have mixed feeling about Afghanistan and I'm not sure what exactly the end game is and we (as a country) do have to consider the cost/benefit.


did you know there was 1.5 million in the stimulus jobs report that created 3 FUKING JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!! thats 500,000 a job that we payed for for what?

LOL seriously straw you want to look for wasteful spending look at the stimulus first and then ppl might take you seriously about this...

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2009, 01:20:53 AM »
Or we could all die in a mushroom cloud...dirty bomb...hijacking...skycr apper etyc etc etc..and then maybe 500k won't look so bad. I have no doubt that the campaigner in chief will split the difference and then find some poltically opertune time to pull out, thus kicking the can down the road for adults to deal with. This war just gets in his way.

If you actually think we are at war over terrorism you should probably just go find a dirty bomb and blow yourself up.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2009, 05:15:38 AM »
Straw makes a good point, what is the end game here?  We could be fighting there indefinitely and we cannot afford that.

I say give McCrystal the troops he wants or else change the mission.  The fact that Obama hasn't responded to the request in over 2 months is unacceptible.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 05:49:51 AM »
If you actually think we are at war over terrorism you should probably just go find a dirty bomb and blow yourself up.


Please, enlighten me with your secret, "inside" knowledge as to why we are in Afghanistan.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 08:25:52 AM »
They think its about oil....or some crap...try securing an oil pipeline in Afghanistan....yeah.
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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 08:41:21 AM »
When in trouble - double. ::)


See the weapon lobby fight to double the effort in Afghanistan.
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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 05:17:13 AM »
When in trouble - double. ::)


See the weapon lobby fight to double the effort in Afghanistan.

Here is an odd way to think about things: As a nation, we no longer manufacture anything in any relevant amount. The MIC is the only true manufacturing that we have left in this nation. It is the last production base that we have, without it we produce nothing. No wars = no more production and the loss of the ability to produce, research, manufacture, defend and have the knowledge to do all of those things.

This isn't an endorsement of fighting wars and such, I'm just rambling about.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2009, 05:19:20 AM »
Here is an odd way to think about things: As a nation, we no longer manufacture anything in any relevant amount. The MIC is the only true manufacturing that we have left in this nation. It is the last production base that we have, without it we produce nothing. No wars = no more production and the loss of the ability to produce, research, manufacture, defend and have the knowledge to do all of those things.

This isn't an endorsement of fighting wars and such, I'm just rambling about.

I have said it for months, and finally some people are getting it, THERE WILL BE NO TURNAROUND UNTIL THIS ADMN AND GOVT REVERSE COURSE ON 99% OF WHAT IT IS DOING. 

 

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2009, 06:16:28 AM »
Here is an odd way to think about things: As a nation, we no longer manufacture anything in any relevant amount. The MIC is the only true manufacturing that we have left in this nation. It is the last production base that we have, without it we produce nothing. No wars = no more production and the loss of the ability to produce, research, manufacture, defend and have the knowledge to do all of those things.

This isn't an endorsement of fighting wars and such, I'm just rambling about.

I kind of disagree.

A friend of mine who's a political science/military intelligence scholar told me USA is actually the only economy in the whole world that has all the components needed to sustain without export or import.

The only thing needed for import right now is oil, which could be taken care of with a switch to alternative energy resources.


I'm no expert. But look at Silicon Valley. Google, Apple, Microsoft.

And there's probably a new generation of huge corporations that we haven't heard of.

And these companies have one thing in common - they all originated in USA.


Some people worry that the days of the big old manufacturing plants with 20 000 employees aren't around anymore.

But I think it's just part of modern industry.
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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2009, 06:47:27 AM »
I kind of disagree.

A friend of mine who's a political science/military intelligence scholar told me USA is actually the only economy in the whole world that has all the components needed to sustain without export or import.

The only thing needed for import right now is oil, which could be taken care of with a switch to alternative energy resources.


I'm no expert. But look at Silicon Valley. Google, Apple, Microsoft.

And there's probably a new generation of huge corporations that we haven't heard of.

And these companies have one thing in common - they all originated in USA.


Some people worry that the days of the big old manufacturing plants with 20 000 employees aren't around anymore.

But I think it's just part of modern industry.

I agree partly with your friend and my post was just singling out the actual manufacturing part of the equation which is pretty important. Google, Microsoft etc are all design and engineering firms which are incredibly valuable but I was pointing to the fact that our ability to actually manufacture and produce the goods that are designed and R&D'd over here is becoming/has become eroded.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2009, 07:59:30 AM »
It will be the dems crying loudest when another major terrorist attack hits Americans.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2009, 08:16:35 AM »

Please, enlighten me with your secret, "inside" knowledge as to why we are in Afghanistan.

Considering the hijackers or 9-11 were all Saudis, I am curious to know why we are fighting "terrorism" in Afghanistan myself.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2009, 08:17:30 AM »
They think its about oil....or some crap...try securing an oil pipeline in Afghanistan....yeah.

Opposed to thinking Iraq had a link to 9-11, had WMDs, had drones that could fly to the U.S. and attack us (hahaha good one FAUX), etc...

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2009, 08:22:36 AM »
Considering the hijackers or 9-11 were all Saudis, I am curious to know why we are fighting "terrorism" in Afghanistan myself.

Osama Bin Laden was exiled from Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda had set up shop (with the help of the Taliban) in Afghanistan. Maybe you want to do some reading on the topic?  ::)

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2009, 08:35:55 AM »
Good job lurker..if this has to be explained again to u we really can't debate. I think u and 240 need the same history lessons.
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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2009, 09:27:53 AM »
Osama Bin Laden was exiled from Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda had set up shop (with the help of the Taliban) in Afghanistan. Maybe you want to do some reading on the topic?  ::)

And perhaps you might want to do some reading on this thread so you don't miss another simple point that was made.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2009, 09:28:56 AM »
Good job lurker..if this has to be explained again to u we really can't debate. I think u and 240 need the same history lessons.

Perhaps if it can be explained with logic and reason there wouldn't need to be repeated efforts on the behalf of idiots who still believe the tired old Dick Cheney school of thought.

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2009, 09:31:12 AM »
Perhaps if it can be explained with logic and reason there wouldn't need to be repeated efforts on the behalf of idiots who still believe the tired old Dick Cheney school of thought.

I think they had you in mind with this one lurker. 

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Re: Adding Afghanistan troops could cost $500,000 per person
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2009, 09:32:00 AM »
And perhaps you might want to do some reading on this thread so you don't miss another simple point that was made.

Your point is moot. Al Qaeda wasn't situated out of Saudi Arabia. They were operating out of Afghanistan.  ::)