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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2009, 02:52:20 PM »
www.google.com

It's also in the 911 report, and I think it's in that 911 commission/ommission, distortion book you read.

It was never investigated because they weren't al-Q.  

And that's just weird man.  

www.deflection.com

Just tell me you can't answer the question.

You mean to tell with all these truthers running around, alex jones, loose change etc...   they haven't found out?

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2009, 02:54:54 PM »
sorry, this argument got old for me 4 years ago.  I have to make some $ tonight lol... and football is on!   I start this discussion and suddenly it's 11 pm and I'm still going at it, and we're on page 8 of this thread.

my opinion is that others knew, maybe didn't act, and they got rich off it, and they sure got away with it.

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2009, 02:56:06 PM »
www.deflection.com

Just tell me you can't answer the question.

i'll go re-read that book and give you the exact line of the official report where they state that the put options weren't investigated because no ties to al-Q.

Or no, i wont.  that's better.  no time man.  read and believe what you want.

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2009, 02:58:10 PM »
i'll go re-read that book and give you the exact line of the official report where they state that the put options weren't investigated because no ties to al-Q.

Or no, i wont.  that's better.  no time man.  read and believe what you want.

I don't doubt people had forehand knowledge.  19 guys didn't do this all by themselves.  But with all the Truthers, alex jones, loose change etc...  no one can find out? 

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2009, 02:58:42 PM »
sorry if you feel condemned Hugo. Wasn't my intent.
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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2009, 03:01:30 PM »
I don't doubt people had forehand knowledge.  19 guys didn't do this all by themselves. 

we're on the same page.

i dont subscribe to anything other than that. 

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2009, 03:02:18 PM »
we're on the same page.

i dont subscribe to anything other than that. 

240 - What is your "best evidence" of a CT other than the 19 hijackers? 

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2009, 03:21:10 PM »
Some people have become so used to a way of being/a mindset/an appearance of life, that to pull back the cutains, remove the blinders, reveal the truth is too much for them to accept; so they fight tooth and nail to keep the truth from being revealed or at the very least to keep the reality far removed from themeselves.
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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2009, 03:22:28 PM »
Some people have become so used to a way of being/a mindset/an appearance of life, that to pull back the cutains, remove the blinders, reveal the truth is too much for them to accept; so they fight tooth and nail to keep the truth from being revealed or at the very least to keep the reality far removed from themeselves.

holy shit ! a good post by samson :D

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2009, 03:23:54 PM »
I don't doubt people had forehand knowledge.  19 guys didn't do this all by themselves.  But with all the Truthers, alex jones, loose change etc...  no one can find out?  

Im on a whole nother level of crazy ... you have truth movements that have been infiltrated and individuals like AJ knowingly or unknowingly planting information to steer discussions off course. your point is a good example of what I mean.

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2009, 03:28:42 PM »

It seems to me to be the direct opposite of the thread title.  Like BF notes, question the CT'r and THEY get bent out of shape.  

It's a common tactic. I think it has to do with the fact that most of the CTs amount to nothing more than gut feelings and when confronted with facts or evidence they'll act like an animal backed into a corner and lash out.

Samson123 (Hugo Chavez's gimmick) is a perfect example of this. Ask for a scientific study or any sort of evidence and he goes right off the deep end.

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2009, 03:29:11 PM »
http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762/


Four reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories

By Andrew Nusca | Sep 10, 2009 |

Did NASA really land on the moon?

Did the government cover-up involvement in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks?

Is Elvis still alive and kicking? What about Michael Jackson?

Was John F. Kennedy assassinated at the hands of multiple shooters?

Do the Freemasons control the United States?

A small but fervent group of people believe there was more than included in historical record about the aforementioned events. Conspiracies, they call them. And every generation has its own.

Some of them turn about to be true, after all: Pearl Harbor was a Japanese conspiracy and Nixon’s Watergate break-in was a coverup.

But with so few that turn out to be true, why do people believe in conspiracies?

A new article in Scientific American tries to figure that out. Michael Shermer outlines in his “Skeptic” column four traits of those who believe:

   * patternicity, or a tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise;
    * agenticity, or the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agent;
    * confirmation bias, or the seeking and finding of confirmatory evidence for what we already believe;
    * hindsight bias, or tailoring after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened.


A conspiracy theory takes flight when all of these are concocted into a heady mix of conviction. It’s called “conspiratorial cognition,” and it’s the fuel driving belief in Bigfoot, Area 51’s UFOs and the paranormal.

But research has been thin on precisely why some have a conspiratorial dispensation.

Back in 2007, Patrick Leman wrote in the New Scientist that belief in conspiracy theories is on the rise thanks to the distribution power of the Internet.

Take the JFK conspiracy, for example: In 1968, two of every 10 Americans believed it to be true. In 1990, nine of 10 Americans believed it to be true.

Leman writes:

    Conspiracy theories can have a valuable role in society. We need people to think “outside the box”, even if there is usually more sense to be found inside the box.

    Take the Iran-Contra affair, a massive political scandal of the late 1980s. When claims first surfaced that the US government had sold arms to its enemy Iran to raise funds for pro-American rebel forces in Nicaragua and to help secure the release of US hostages taken by Iran, it certainly sounded like yet another convoluted conspiracy theory. Several question marks remain over the affair, but President Ronald Reagan admitted that his administration had indeed sold arms to Iran.

On the other hand, distrust contributed to an inflation of the East-West fears during the Cold War, as well as continued belief by some that HIV (which causes AIDS) was created in a lab and distributed by the U.S. government to limit the growth of the African-American population.

Some points from his article:

    * People who believe in one theory are more likely to believe in others.
    * There is a strong association between income and belief levels: the better-off are less likely to believe in conspiracy theories. (Perhaps this can be chalked up to education.)
    * Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; people prefer to imagine living in a predictable, safe world. Some conspiracy theories offer accounts that feel “safe” or “predictable.”
    * Conspiracy theories often mutate over time in light of new or contradicting evidence.
    * Conspiracies usually require a big newsworthy event on which to peg it.

But it’s Shermer who drives the point home. He writes:

    “The more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.”


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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2009, 03:33:52 PM »
240 - What is your "best evidence" of a CT other than the 19 hijackers? 

The brave military, FDNY, NYPD who have come fwd with concerns on the official story. 

Also, the commissioners who wrote the 911 reports have since called it inadequate and said we need another to fill in all the holes.  They're upset about info that never made it to them.

If the 2 co-chairs say we need another investigation (as agrees ozmo), why would I claim to know more than them?

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2009, 03:34:54 PM »
http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/smart-takes/four-reasons-why-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/762/


Four reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories

By Andrew Nusca | Sep 10, 2009 |

Did NASA really land on the moon?

Did the government cover-up involvement in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks?

Is Elvis still alive and kicking? What about Michael Jackson?

Was John F. Kennedy assassinated at the hands of multiple shooters?

Do the Freemasons control the United States?

A small but fervent group of people believe there was more than included in historical record about the aforementioned events. Conspiracies, they call them. And every generation has its own.

Some of them turn about to be true, after all: Pearl Harbor was a Japanese conspiracy and Nixon’s Watergate break-in was a coverup.

But with so few that turn out to be true, why do people believe in conspiracies?

A new article in Scientific American tries to figure that out. Michael Shermer outlines in his “Skeptic” column four traits of those who believe:

   * patternicity, or a tendency to find meaningful patterns in random noise;
    * agenticity, or the bent to believe the world is controlled by invisible intentional agent;
    * confirmation bias, or the seeking and finding of confirmatory evidence for what we already believe;
    * hindsight bias, or tailoring after-the-fact explanations to what we already know happened.


A conspiracy theory takes flight when all of these are concocted into a heady mix of conviction. It’s called “conspiratorial cognition,” and it’s the fuel driving belief in Bigfoot, Area 51’s UFOs and the paranormal.

But research has been thin on precisely why some have a conspiratorial dispensation.

Back in 2007, Patrick Leman wrote in the New Scientist that belief in conspiracy theories is on the rise thanks to the distribution power of the Internet.

Take the JFK conspiracy, for example: In 1968, two of every 10 Americans believed it to be true. In 1990, nine of 10 Americans believed it to be true.

Leman writes:

    Conspiracy theories can have a valuable role in society. We need people to think “outside the box”, even if there is usually more sense to be found inside the box.

    Take the Iran-Contra affair, a massive political scandal of the late 1980s. When claims first surfaced that the US government had sold arms to its enemy Iran to raise funds for pro-American rebel forces in Nicaragua and to help secure the release of US hostages taken by Iran, it certainly sounded like yet another convoluted conspiracy theory. Several question marks remain over the affair, but President Ronald Reagan admitted that his administration had indeed sold arms to Iran.

On the other hand, distrust contributed to an inflation of the East-West fears during the Cold War, as well as continued belief by some that HIV (which causes AIDS) was created in a lab and distributed by the U.S. government to limit the growth of the African-American population.

Some points from his article:

    * People who believe in one theory are more likely to believe in others.
    * There is a strong association between income and belief levels: the better-off are less likely to believe in conspiracy theories. (Perhaps this can be chalked up to education.)
    * Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; people prefer to imagine living in a predictable, safe world. Some conspiracy theories offer accounts that feel “safe” or “predictable.”
    * Conspiracy theories often mutate over time in light of new or contradicting evidence.
    * Conspiracies usually require a big newsworthy event on which to peg it.

But it’s Shermer who drives the point home. He writes:

    “The more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.”



Who would have thunk that. Hahahahaha!!

Agenticity seems to be the CT trait of choice among Getdumb's finest.

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2009, 03:37:22 PM »
The brave military, FDNY, NYPD who have come fwd with concerns on the official story.  

Also, the commissioners who wrote the 911 reports have since called it inadequate and said we need another to fill in all the holes.  They're upset about info that never made it to them.


If the 2 co-chairs say we need another investigation (as agrees ozmo), why would I claim to know more than them?

That's the best evidence?

(you still got about 2 hours before kick off.   ;D)

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2009, 04:10:48 PM »
I think a CT forum should be started.  
:o  very funny...

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2009, 04:13:41 PM »
sorry if you feel condemned Hugo. Wasn't my intent.
WHAT?  You basically say we're zealots and nazis and then say, sorry no offense intended?  uh, yea.... sure... ::)

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2009, 04:15:14 PM »
:o  very funny...

I remember you had a thread on it.  I wasn't sure then.  But i think now it would be a good idea.  I'll be the skeptic mod  ;D

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2009, 04:17:44 PM »
Nice find Ozmo. That article not only brings up all the negatives of the CT's, but also the few positives.
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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2009, 04:22:51 PM »
so ok, now add Ozmo saying we're broke and uneducated.  So we're extremist nazis without jobs and with little to no education. why stop there fellas, keep going.  Oh I forgot, hedge also said we are anti-democratic and dangerous.  Anything else?  Gotta be something out there to show we're mentally ill pedophiles or something...

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2009, 04:25:49 PM »
LOL

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2009, 04:26:20 PM »
so ok, now add Ozmo saying we're broke and uneducated.  So we're extremist nazis without jobs and with little to no education. why stop there fellas, keep going.  Oh I forgot, hedge also said we are anti-democratic and dangerous.  Anything else?  Gotta be something out there to show we're mentally ill pedophiles or something...


They make a good point. Most CT'ers ARE uneducated, clueless morons. You and the rest of Getdumb's finest CT nutjobs fit the bill. Alex Jones isn't college educated, either.  :D


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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2009, 04:26:31 PM »
so ok, now add Ozmo saying we're broke and uneducated.  So we're extremist nazis without jobs and with little to no education. why stop there fellas, keep going.  Oh I forgot, hedge also said we were anti-democratic and dangerous.  Anything else?  Gotta be something out there to show we're mentally ill pedophiles or something...




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Hold your horses there padre!

I didn't say that.  Lehman did!  It was part of the article i posted as part of this discussion.  

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2009, 04:27:28 PM »


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Hold your horses there padre!

I didn't say that.  Lehman did!  It was part of the article i posted as part of this discussion.  

They hit the nail on the head.

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Re: Why are people so threatened by conspiracy theories?
« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2009, 04:30:25 PM »


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Hold your horses there padre!

I didn't say that.  Lehman did!  It was part of the article i posted as part of this discussion.  
so you don't believe it? clearly BF does so I'll keep it listed in that post.  Keep going guys, I want to get a clear picture of just how pathetic I and other CTrs are.  You brought the article, keep going, this is getting good.