Phil Heath should load up on the arm training...

[Parker]

As was previously stated by Flexingron and Alex23, Phil's arms are not that big, but give the illusion of huge size due to his narrowness and due to their detail. Also when he does the Fdb shot against others like Dex, Dex's arms are comparable.

If Phil's freaky bodypart is arms, then why not make them even freakier, ala Priest and Ronnie Coleman?

And hell, while he's at it, he needs to train chest with JOJ. Or train with Ronnie if he is coming back. Would make foe a interesting vid. Call it "Cost to be the Boss" or some shit like that. 

[240 is Back]

Phil gets lazy on clavicle day.  that's his problem.

[kiwiol]

If Phil's freaky bodypart is arms, then why not make them even freakier, ala Priest and Ronnie Coleman?

He is improving them and the rest of his physique all the time. He's not like Shawn Ray or Dex, who look(ed) the same year after year.

Compare pics of him from last year or when he turned pro to this year's Mr Olympia and you'll see the difference.

If he doesn't get injured and continues to improve, he'll look even more cartoon-ish.

[ChristopherA]

So what if hes not the widest guy on stage. If you dont have wide clavicles should you not even bother?He looks awesome thats all that matters.

[Parker]

He is improving them and the rest of his physique all the time. He's not like Shawn Ray or Dex, who looks the same year after year.

Compare pics of him from last year or when he turned pro to this year's Mr Olympia and you'll see the difference.

If he doesn't get injured and continues to improve, he'll look even more cartoon-ish.

Yeah, I know, just saying maybe he needs to just over do it. Kai's got freaky quads, Phil has pretty good arms...those pics just made me want to go train arms now

[tendonitis]

arms are the least of his problems, the gift has the worst chest in the history of bodybuilding

[bodybuilder1234]

Phil should of been 2nd or 3rd in this years Olympia, shit happens

But no doubt he will be Mr Olympia someday

[Parker]

arms are the least of his problems, the gift has the worst chest in the history of bodybuilding

Training with JOJ would fix that  . I was watching some clips where JOJ gives tips on chest exercises, and I compare that to Phil's DVD clips, and there is a diff in the way they train. For instance, JOJ states that when you are doing cable cross overs to keep the arms up, like doing a bear hug, not down near the waist, Phil of course keeps his hands near his waist. Now, the question is, could the guy with the best chest in the Pros teach Phil something?

[The Luke]

Why not have his clavicles broken and lengthened?

It's not beyond the scope of modern medical science... plenty of stunted kids have their arms and legs lengthened. A slow process, but it is doable.


The Luke

[MCWAY]

He is improving them and the rest of his physique all the time. He's not like Shawn Ray or Dex, who look(ed) the same year after year.

Compare pics of him from last year or when he turned pro to this year's Mr Olympia and you'll see the difference.

If he doesn't get injured and continues to improve, he'll look even more cartoon-ish.

When you have few flaws, like Jackson or Ray, your focus becomes conditioning.

Plus saying that Jackson looked the same, year after year, is ridiculous. He has slowly added mass to his frame, while keeping those signature cuts that earned him the nickname, "The Blade".

And, because he's almost always in top shape, he caught Jay Cutler napping last year, much as Ray did with Yates in 1994. But, unlike Yates in 1994, the judges didn't let the defending water-logged champion keep his title that year.


That's why Jay Cutler had to come SLICED, to get his title back.

[MCWAY]

Phil should of been 2nd or 3rd in this years Olympia, shit happens

But no doubt he will be Mr Olympia someday

That was once said of Flex Wheeler; but, it never came to fruition.

For Heath to avoid that fate, he'll have to do what Jackson did: Come full and shredded to the bone and have Jay Cutler show up WAAAAY OFF!!

[kiwiol]

When you have few flaws, like Jackson or Ray, your focus becomes conditioning.

Plus saying that Jackson looked the same, year after year, is ridiculous. He has slowly added mass to his frame, while keeping those signature cuts that earned him the nickname, "The Blade".

And, because he's almost always in top shape, he caught Jay Cutler napping last year, much as Ray did with Yates in 1994. But, unlike Yates in 1994, the judges didn't let the defending water-logged champion keep his title year.


That's why Jay Cutler had to come SLICED, to get his title back.

You're right about the Jackson part - he too has improved a lot since he turned pro. But Shawn Ray did look the same year after year. Sure, he looked great, but you don't have to shortchange improvements in your physique under the excuse of nailing your conditioning.

Look at a guy like Dorian - he always had great conditioning every time he competed, while making dramatic changes to his physique from one year to the next. These guys are pros - it's what they ought to do.

[tbombz]

You're right about the Jackson part - he too has improved a lot since he turned pro. But Shawn Ray did look the same year after year. Sure, he looked great, but you don't have to shortchange improvements in your physique under the excuse of nailing your conditioning.

Look at guys like Dorian - he always had great conditioning every time he competed, while making dramatic changes to his physique from one year to the next. These guys are pros - it's what they ought to do.

sean made very slow gradual improvements from year to year.

[Mr. Magoo]

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[kiwiol]

sean made very slow gradual improvements from year to year.

No he didn't. He looked better in 93 and 94 than he did after 95 all the way up till the time he retired.

There was no big difference in his look or size or shape over a period of nearly 8 years, unlike how it was with guys like Dorian, Ronnie and Nasser.

[Parker]

You're right about the Jackson part - he too has improved a lot since he turned pro. But Shawn Ray did look the same year after year. Sure, he looked great, but you don't have to shortchange improvements in your physique under the excuse of nailing your conditioning.

Look at a guy like Dorian - he always had great conditioning every time he competed, while making dramatic changes to his physique from one year to the next. These guys are pros - it's what they ought to do.

The problem is that once many of the guys go pro, there isn't much that they can do to make improvements. Eventually they will max out, Shawn didn't, he could have gone the freak route and have been 235, with arms that rivaled Priest's, his legs showned that he had to keep those in check. Flexshould have gone the same route as Shawn, gradually increasing the weight, but being consistent with his conditioning, if he had done that he may have gotten a O or two.

Phil has the conditioning, needs a bigger chest, and pretty much he's set

[Boost]

A friend of mine taped PHil's arms at a touch over 19 inches back at the 2007 Arnold Classic

All illusion

[Parker]

A friend of mine taped PHil's arms at a touch over 19 inches back at the 2007 Arnold Classic

All illusion

Pumped or not. Either way, that equates to about 22's now. I agree it's an illusion, due to his huge tris and the way he hits that most muscular pose. Plus he wasn't that heavy in 2007, like around 225-235

[L00n]

i wish i have that illusion 

[MCWAY]

You're right about the Jackson part - he too has improved a lot since he turned pro. But Shawn Ray did look the same year after year. Sure, he looked great, but you don't have to shortchange improvements in your physique under the excuse of nailing your conditioning.

Look at a guy like Dorian - he always had great conditioning every time he competed, while making dramatic changes to his physique from one year to the next. These guys are pros - it's what they ought to do.

It's not that Ray didn't make improvements. He may have just made them too late. He didn't compete over 200 lbs., until the late 90s. I have the "Battle for the Olympia 2000". Ray was shooting for 212 lbs, a bit lighter than the 218 he sported in '99.

Had he been that size in '94, when Dorian showed up water-logged and minus half a bicep, that Sandow would finally been his.

[Parker]

i wish i have that illusion 

Me too

[saucetradomous]

Phil is the only new guy to turn pro in the last 5-10 years that I even see having the potential of a Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman or Kevin Levrone in terms of size and shape.  He's more often compared to Flex but I think he could eventual get Bigger.

[flexingtonsteele]

phil actually really shouldnt bring up anything because the bigger he gets the more his weaknesses stand out.

He just needs to make sure he comes in as shredded as possible because thats his true strength.

[Daddison]

arms are the least of his problems, the gift has the worst chest in the history of bodybuilding

[uberman09]

can u imagine the amount of drugs he must be injecting/taking to have arms that fucking big...