This Is What CAPITALISM Will Bring Ya

[SAMSON123]

Shameful to say the leaast. Not only was the bill ridiculous, but the letter clearly stated that because you are deemed INDIGENT do not come back for medical treatment. How could he have returned anyway...HE WAS DEAD!!!

[BM OUT]

Shameful to say the leaast. Not only was the bill ridiculous, but the letter clearly stated that because you are deemed INDIGENT do not come back for medical treatment. How could he have returned anyway...HE WAS DEAD!!!

Well,communism and socialism gets you MILLION dead.Mao and Stalin and Castro and Chavez all prove that.

[Soul Crusher]

i watched that video and did not understand what capitilism had to do with it. 

[SAMSON123]

i watched that video and did not understand what capitalism had to do with it. 

You didn't understand what CAAPITALISM had to do with it???

Capitalism is making money in excess through abuse, greed, fraud etc. Capitalism has nothing to do with making a living.

This young man went into the hospital ALREADY DEAD! The hospital falsified administering medical treatment/care on the bill in order to make money off of the the now grieving parents. Shamelessly it was not until the media became involved that the hospital retracted their GREEDY CLAWS and digressed and claim that the bill was in error. All of this was for the sake of making money in excess.

I posted to a thread on this board recently about how I was hospitalized and since the hospital did NOT check to see if I had insurance first, they immediately started billing me like crazy. I was in the hospital for over a week. I was billed 3500.00 dollar per night just to stay in the hospital. This did not include tens of thousands of dollars billed for "medical necessity". When it was all said and done I was said to owe over fifty thousand dollars. My insurance company became involved and when it was all over my insurance paid 5000.00 TOTAL for all of the care and the hospital stay. So over 45000.00 dollars was all in excess, greed or in short CAPITALISM.

[The Showstoppa]

You didn't understand what CAAPITALISM had to do with it???

Capitalism is making money in excess through abuse, greed, fraud etc. Capitalism has nothing to do with making a living.

This young man went into the hospital ALREADY DEAD! The hospital falsified administering medical treatment/care on the bill in order to make money off of the the now grieving parents. Shamelessly it was not until the media became involved that the hospital retracted their GREEDY CLAWS and digressed and claim that the bill was in error. All of this was for the sake of making money in excess.

I posted to a thread on this board recently about how I was hospitalized and since the hospital did NOT check to see if I had insurance first, they immediately started billing me like crazy. I was in the hospital for over a week. I was billed 3500.00 dollar per night just to stay in the hospital. This did not include tens of thousands of dollars billed for "medical necessity". When it was all said and done I was said to owe over fifty thousand dollars. My insurance company became involved and when it was all over my insurance paid 5000.00 TOTAL for all of the care and the hospital stay. So over 45000.00 dollars was all in excess, greed or in short CAPITALISM.

You are describing what Ron Paul calls corporatism, not capatilism.  He has some good interview on the subject.  The one with Larry King mentions it.

[dario73]

So let me get this straight. Greed only exists in capitalism. Are you sure about that?

It is wrong what was done here, but you are just as wrong for blaming capitalism. There are plenty of greedy tyrants, socialist and communists leaders in the world who live in comfort while their people starve and lack the most basic necessities.

Greed is an individual fault, not a byproduct of a particular political or economic system.

Capitalism isn't perfect but if capitalism is so evil, if USA is so bad, why do so many people imigrate and even risk their lives trying to get here?  Simple answer: With all it's faults, it is still BETTER than any other system in the world.

 

[bears]

You didn't understand what CAAPITALISM had to do with it???

Capitalism is making money in excess through abuse, greed, fraud etc. Capitalism has nothing to do with making a living.

This young man went into the hospital ALREADY DEAD! The hospital falsified administering medical treatment/care on the bill in order to make money off of the the now grieving parents. Shamelessly it was not until the media became involved that the hospital retracted their GREEDY CLAWS and digressed and claim that the bill was in error. All of this was for the sake of making money in excess.

I posted to a thread on this board recently about how I was hospitalized and since the hospital did NOT check to see if I had insurance first, they immediately started billing me like crazy. I was in the hospital for over a week. I was billed 3500.00 dollar per night just to stay in the hospital. This did not include tens of thousands of dollars billed for "medical necessity". When it was all said and done I was said to owe over fifty thousand dollars. My insurance company became involved and when it was all over my insurance paid 5000.00 TOTAL for all of the care and the hospital stay. So over 45000.00 dollars was all in excess, greed or in short CAPITALISM.

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[Bindare_Dundat]

You didn't understand what CAAPITALISM had to do with it???

Capitalism is making money in excess through abuse, greed, fraud etc. Capitalism has nothing to do with making a living.

This young man went into the hospital ALREADY DEAD! The hospital falsified administering medical treatment/care on the bill in order to make money off of the the now grieving parents. Shamelessly it was not until the media became involved that the hospital retracted their GREEDY CLAWS and digressed and claim that the bill was in error. All of this was for the sake of making money in excess.

I posted to a thread on this board recently about how I was hospitalized and since the hospital did NOT check to see if I had insurance first, they immediately started billing me like crazy. I was in the hospital for over a week. I was billed 3500.00 dollar per night just to stay in the hospital. This did not include tens of thousands of dollars billed for "medical necessity". When it was all said and done I was said to owe over fifty thousand dollars. My insurance company became involved and when it was all over my insurance paid 5000.00 TOTAL for all of the care and the hospital stay. So over 45000.00 dollars was all in excess, greed or in short CAPITALISM.

If you're going to try and make a point at least get your definitions right.

[Hugo Chavez]

Well,communism and socialism gets you MILLION dead.Mao and Stalin and Castro and Chavez all prove that.

chavez has killed millions?

[OzmO]

Communism = equal poverty for everyone.

Capitalism = everyone get a shot, freedom to choose to get what you want.


I'll take capitalism any day. 

[SAMSON123]

If you're going to try and make a point at least get your definitions right.

The first thing you and many on this board need to do is come to the understanding of the difference between CONNOTATION AND DENOTATION. There is a dictionary meaning of a word and then there is the real life meaning of a word and the way they both play out in life are as different as day and night. For example the word DUMB has come to mean a stupid person in real life, when the dictionary meaning is a person who is mute or can not speak... so the same for CAPITALISM. Sadly Michael Moore like so many others have explained what capitalism is in movies, magazines, news reports, lectures etc...yet there is an overwhelming ignorance still to the real world meaning and an absolutely stupefying ignoring of blatant everyday examples of how damaging it is to a society and an economy.

So entrenched is america in making money at all cost that the understanding of doing RIGHT by people, nature, countries and the planet takes second, third even fourth place, so that all of the forementioned is sacrificed for the sake of the cash. If your eyes could only be opened to the fact that the financial desires and wants of people, corporations and governments (which is always in extreme excess), then you would begin to see the problems it causes. Most of the misery you complain about: high taxes, high mortgages/rents, high car/vehicle prices, high utility costs (don't forget the Enron scam), impossibly high education costs,  political corruption/lobbying/bribing, corporate fraud etc etc are all caused by people and business GREED and lust for money. Capitalism is just the worship of money and obtaining it by any means necessary. Just like fanatics can turn their religious beliefs (Catholicism, Protestantism, Mormonism, Zionism etc etc) into such zealousness that it produces a extreme behavior to the point where you forsake people.... which is counter to the religious belief and virtues...so the same has been done in capitalism...forsake all for the sake of MONEY.

Communism = equal poverty for everyone.

Capitalism = everyone get a shot, freedom to choose to get what you want.


I'll take capitalism any day.  

FOOL!!!!

This is NOT capitalism at all. Everyone gets nothing with capitalism, which focuses wealth and ownership in to the hands of the very few and very rich. You're confusing making a living with capitalism...two entirely different things. There is more POVERTY/CORRUPTION/CRIME with so called CAPITALISM than anywhere else in the world. Russia was communist and everyone had bread and meat, a place to live, education, housing, a job. America talked Gorbachev into bringing PERESTROIKA(sic) to Russia and afterward POVERTY DRAMATICALLY INCREASED: no food, lost of jobs, homelessness, crime, drugs, prostitution every ill of society came into being, while a very few became filthy rich!!!

CUBA is claimed to be communist yet they are the most LITERATE people on the planet and have more doctors and engineers graduated than anywhere else on the planet. It is only thanks to america's barbaric embargoes against Cuba that it has not risen to the state that it could become, which is well beyond the level of america.

So let me get this straight. Greed only exists in capitalism. Are you sure about that?

It is wrong what was done here, but you are just as wrong for blaming capitalism. There are plenty of greedy tyrants, socialist and communists leaders in the world who live in comfort while their people starve and lack the most basic necessities.

Greed is an individual fault, not a byproduct of a particular political or economic system.

Capitalism isn't perfect but if capitalism is so evil, if USA is so bad, why do so many people immigrate and even risk their lives trying to get here?  Simple answer: With all it's faults, it is still BETTER than any other system in the world.

 

Read and understand what is written and stop trying to put your own simple minded spin on things. Capitalism is GREED, it is the byproduct of an economic system that worships MONEY at all costs. It does not care, it does not hear, it does not feel it is all about the end result which is to accumulate as much money as possible and expend the least amount as possible.

Why do people go to america if capitalism is so evil?? America is presented as a LIE  to the rest of the world. A place where one can honestly make a living and/or move on to being a millionaire...yeah right. The believers go to america hoping to make a better life only to find a life in some cases more strife filled than the country they left. Keep in mind also the so called ease that exist in america is due to the usurpation of other nations for their natural resources, their human labor, their technology and assets. Right now all of your clothes are made in China, 75 percent of all the food in america comes from other nations: Central and South America, your computer programs designer in India, natural resources from Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia, South America etc, all of your manufactured goods form the Far East...are you kidding me? You are clueless to what is going on in your own country, and what capitalism is.

You are describing what Ron Paul calls corporatism, not capitalism.  He has some good interview on the subject.  The one with Larry King mentions it.

Capitalism comes out of corporatism..they are inextricably intertwined. The larger the corporation, the more they control and the more they demand and charge until you are completely at their mercy. Before corporatism you had small businesses and mom and pop stores providing everything and all was fair and good. Once corporation became involved and the GREED factor entered in, then came the providing of goods at maximum cost and profit while the raw goods were purchased at minimum cost. Perfect example, the few remaining farmers in america complain endlessly about having to sell their corn, wheat, soy beans etc at below the cost to grow it, yet go into any store and the same product is being sold at the MAXIMUM profit price the public will tolerate.

KEEP YOUR CAPITALISM...IT IS THE ILL OF THE WORLD.

[pedro01]

Interesting points but I am sure they will go down badly here.

What I see on this board a lot is the big debate between repubs & dems about taxes. With the Dems at the helml, the so called 'middle classes' fighting about a few cents on the dollar because they fear it may be used to help someone that is lazy.

In the background is criminal gangs like Goldman Sachs taking the whole country for billions and these 'middle classes' never raise an eyebrow because they are either ignorant to it or think that it's just Capitalism at work and that to object to this would be Marxist. Of course the working/non-working classes don't complain either.

When the Repubs get in again, the roles will be reversed. The working class wil be wondering why the middle classes are getting all the tax breaks whilst in the background - Haliburton, Monsanto, Goldman et al will be the ones REALLY taxing the populace.

[gcb]

The first thing you and many on this board need to do is come to the understanding of the difference between CONNOTATION AND DENOTATION. There is a dictionary meaning of a word and then there is the real life meaning of a word and the way they both play out in life are as different as day and night. For example the world DUMB has come to mean a stupid person in real life, when the dictionary meaning is a person who is mute or can not speak... so the same for CAPITALISM. Sadly Michael Moore like so many others have explained what capitalism is in movies, magazines, news reports, lectures etc...yet there is an overwhelming ignorance still to the real world meaning and an absolutely stupefying ignoring of blatant everyday examples of how damaging it is to a society and an economy.

So entrenched is america in making money at all cost that the understanding of doing RIGHT by people, nature, countries and the planet takes second, third even fourth place, so that all of the forementioned is sacrificed for the sake of the cash. If your eyes could only be opened to the fact that the financial desires and wants of people, corporations and governments (which is always in extreme excess), then you would begin to see the problems it causes. Most of the misery you complain about: high taxes, high mortgages/rents, high car/vehicle prices, high utility costs (don't forget the Enron scam), impossibly high education costs,  political corruption/lobbying/bribing, corporate fraud etc etc are all caused by people and business GREED and lust for money. Capitalism is just the worship of money and obtaining it by any means necessary. Just like fanatics can turn their religious beliefs (Catholicism, Protestantism, Mormonism, Zionism etc etc) into such zealousness that it produces a extreme behavior to the point where you forsake people.... which is counter to the religious belief and virtues...so the same has been done in capitalism...forsake all for the sake of MONEY.


FOOL!!!!

This is NOT capitalism at all. Everyone gets nothing with capitalism, which focuses wealth and ownership in to the hands of the very few and very rich. You're confusing making a living with capitalism...two entirely different things. There is more POVERTY/CORRUPTION/CRIME with so called CAPITALISM than anywhere else in the world. Russia was communist and everyone had bread and meat, a place to live, education, housing, a job. America talked Gorbachev into bringing PERESTROIKA(sic) to Russia and afterward POVERTY DRAMATICALLY INCREASED: no food, lost of jobs, homelessness, crime, drugs, prostitution every ill of society came into being, while a very few became filthy rich!!!

CUBA is claimed to be communist yet they are the most LITERATE people on the planet and have more doctors and engineers graduated than anywhere else on the planet. It is only thanks to america's barbaric embargoes against Cuba that it has not risen to the state that it could become, which is well beyond the level of america.

Read and understand what is written and stop trying to put your own simple minded spin on things. Capitalism is GREED, it is the byproduct of an economic system that worships MONEY at all costs. It does not care, it does not hear, it does not feel it is all about the end result which is to accumulate as much money as possible and expend the least amount as possible.

Why do people go to america if capitalism is so evil?? America is presented as a LIE  to the rest of the world. A place where one can honestly make a living and/or move on to being a millionaire...yeah right. The believers go to america hoping to make a better life only to find a life in some cases more strife filled than the country they left. Keep in mind also the so called ease that exist in america is due to the usurpation of other nations for their natural resources, their human labor, their technology and assets. Right now all of your clothes are made in China, 75 percent of all the food in america comes from other nations: Central and South America, your computer programs designer in India, natural resources from Africa, Indonesia, Malaysia, South America etc, all of your manufactured goods form the Far East...are you kidding me? You are clueless to what is going on in your own country, and what capitalism is.

Capitalism comes out of corporatism..they are inextricably intertwined. The larger the corporation, the more they control and the more they demand and charge until you are completely at their mercy. Before corporatism you had small businesses and mom and pop stores providing everything and all was fair and good. Once corporation became involved and the GREED factor entered in, then came the providing of goods at maximum cost and profit while the raw goods were purchased at minimum cost. Perfect example, the few remaining farmers in america complain endlessly about having to sell their corn, wheat, soy beans etc at below the cost to grow it, yet go into any store and the same product is being sold at the MAXIMUM profit price the public will tolerate.

KEEP YOUR CAPITALISM...IT IS THE ILL OF THE WORLD.

Look I agree with some of that but Capitalism is not all Evil. Under Communism no-one had incentive to work hard - either to keep their job or move up the ladder - that's why their economy stagnated, I don't believe they are much better under Capitalism but they may be culturally influenced as well. Capitalism offers a carrot which motivates a lot of people and sometimes this has positive benefits.

Capitalism does tend to concentrate wealth into the hands of a few and that is why it needs to be regulated to make sure everyone gets a fair go.

[pedro01]

I personally think that cronyism is the system in operation in the US right now.

[gcb]

I personally think that cronyism is the system in operation in the US right now.

You can't separate the system from the inherent flaws in mans character. Systems of government fail because we as human beings are not perfect. Wasn't Capitalism always going to lead to Cronyism?

[The Showstoppa]

Capitalism comes out of corporatism..they are inextricably intertwined. The larger the corporation, the more they control and the more they demand and charge until you are completely at their mercy. Before corporatism you had small businesses and mom and pop stores providing everything and all was fair and good. Once corporation became involved and the GREED factor entered in, then came the providing of goods at maximum cost and profit while the raw goods were purchased at minimum cost. Perfect example, the few remaining farmers in america complain endlessly about having to sell their corn, wheat, soy beans etc at below the cost to grow it, yet go into any store and the same product is being sold at the MAXIMUM profit price the public will tolerate.

KEEP YOUR CAPITALISM...IT IS THE ILL OF THE WORLD.


[/quote]

Bullshit!  You make it sound like the mom and pop places were some type of utopia.  I grew up in a small town and the "mom and pop" places that complained so loudly that they didn't want Walmart, Kmart, etc.... had been absolutely raping locals for years.  That is a very poor example to make your point.  Almost always a smaller store/company has a higher profit margin than a larger company.  Ever hear the term "company store?"  It applies to how they operated on many occasions.

[SAMSON123]

Capitalism comes out of corporatism..they are inextricably intertwined. The larger the corporation, the more they control and the more they demand and charge until you are completely at their mercy. Before corporatism you had small businesses and mom and pop stores providing everything and all was fair and good. Once corporation became involved and the GREED factor entered in, then came the providing of goods at maximum cost and profit while the raw goods were purchased at minimum cost. Perfect example, the few remaining farmers in america complain endlessly about having to sell their corn, wheat, soy beans etc at below the cost to grow it, yet go into any store and the same product is being sold at the MAXIMUM profit price the public will tolerate.

KEEP YOUR CAPITALISM...IT IS THE ILL OF THE WORLD.




Bullshit!  You make it sound like the mom and pop places were some type of utopia.  I grew up in a small town and the "mom and pop" places that complained so loudly that they didn't want Walmart, Kmart, etc.... had been absolutely raping locals for years.  That is a very poor example to make your point.  Almost always a smaller store/company has a higher profit margin than a larger company.  Ever hear the term "company store?"  It applies to how they operated on many occasions.

SS stop LYING. Mom and Pop businesses never RAPED anyone, because they knew all of the towns people and anyone would feel quite ashamed of taking advantage of people who literally LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM. If you are comparing the prices of the Mom and Pop business compared to Walmart, then you missed my explanation above about corporations and their buying of products at below production costs and selling it for maximum profit...read my post again.

Company Stores were just that...stores opened by companies that move into a town and for the sake of keeping just about all profits in the company, the company would open and stock the store with all of the goods the employees would need and would encourage employees to buy from the "company store" thereby returning the wages earned by the employees right back to the company.

Try making better arguments with better examples.

[Soul Crusher]

SS stop LYING. Mom and Pop businesses never RAPED anyone, because they knew all of the towns people and anyone would feel quite ashamed of taking advantage of people who literally LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM. If you are comparing the prices of the Mom and Pop business compared to Walmart, then you missed my explanation above about corporations and their buying of products at below production costs and selling it for maximum profit...read my post again.

Company Stores were just that...stores opened by companies that move into a town and for the sake of keeping just about all profits in the company, the company would open and stock the store with all of the goods the employees would need and would encourage employees to buy from the "company store" thereby returning the wages earned by the employees right back to the company.

Try making better arguments with better examples.

MOM & POP STORES DONT HAVE THE PURCHASING POWER OF WALMART AND HAVE SELL THINGS AT A HIGHER PRICE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.   

[Fury]

SS stop LYING. Mom and Pop businesses never RAPED anyone, because they knew all of the towns people and anyone would feel quite ashamed of taking advantage of people who literally LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM. If you are comparing the prices of the Mom and Pop business compared to Walmart, then you missed my explanation above about corporations and their buying of products at below production costs and selling it for maximum profit...read my post again.

Company Stores were just that...stores opened by companies that move into a town and for the sake of keeping just about all profits in the company, the company would open and stock the store with all of the goods the employees would need and would encourage employees to buy from the "company store" thereby returning the wages earned by the employees right back to the company.

Try making better arguments with better examples.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Mom and Pop stores raped everyone. THAT'S WHY EVERYONE GOES TO WAL-MART AND MADE THEM INTO WHAT THEY ARE. Are you that fucking clueless. Wal-Mart became Wal-Mart because of the very reason that the little mom and pop stores had high prices.

[The Showstoppa]

SS stop LYING. Mom and Pop businesses never RAPED anyone, because they knew all of the towns people and anyone would feel quite ashamed of taking advantage of people who literally LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM. If you are comparing the prices of the Mom and Pop business compared to Walmart, then you missed my explanation above about corporations and their buying of products at below production costs and selling it for maximum profit...read my post again.

Company Stores were just that...stores opened by companies that move into a town and for the sake of keeping just about all profits in the company, the company would open and stock the store with all of the goods the employees would need and would encourage employees to buy from the "company store" thereby returning the wages earned by the employees right back to the company.

Try making better arguments with better examples.

Dude, you are going on some horseshit you read in a book.  I am telling you flat-out that your wonderful 'mom and pop" places were terrible.  They lived like kings while the rest of small town america was in fifedom.  They would "finance" products and over the life of the deal it would cost people triple.  They were counting on having a captive audience that either paid their prices, traveled a 100 miles or so, or did without.  It was a very poor, rural area.  Again, you are talking in concepts and have clearly never lived it, so you "opinons" on how they operate is just that....your "opinion".....whereas I lived it and mine is based on real world experience and FACT.

Even your definition of company store, is some crap you looked up in textbook.  The reality was that they wouldn't pay in wages because they could capture all of the money back from the employee.  Then they would bury the employee so far in debt that they were basically working in servitude.

[Soul Crusher]

Dude, you are going on some horseshit you read in a book.  I am telling you flat-out that your wonderful 'mom and pop" places were terrible.  They lived like kings while the rest of small town america was in fifedom.  They would "finance" products and over the life of the deal it would cost people triple.  They were counting on having a captive audience that either paid their prices, traveled a 100 miles or so, or did without.  It was a very poor, rural area.  Again, you are talking in concepts and have clearly never lived it, so you "opinons" on how they operate is just that....your "opinion".....whereas I lived it and mine is based on real world experience and FACT.

Sure many of these people made a few dollars more, but most "Mom & Pop" stores are not exactly being run by mllionaires living the life of luxury. 

[Fury]

Sure many of these people made a few dollars more, but most "Mom & Pop" stores are not exactly being run by mllionaires living the life of luxury.  

Well, that's because they have to buy in small quantities and then gouge the shit out of the consumer to see any sort of profit. It's a terribly ineffective system and hence why companies like WalMart exist.

[The Showstoppa]

Sure many of these people made a few dollars more, but most "Mom & Pop" stores are not exactly being run by mllionaires living the life of luxury. 

I'm not talking about now....I'm talking 20 years ago and in a small town they were very often the wealthiest class of people.  Might have been different in cities, I'm just talking about rural America.  And it wasn't all mom and pops, but not having any alternative is what allowed the ones who did abuse the system to continue to do it. 

[SAMSON123]

Dude, you are going on some horseshit you read in a book.  I am telling you flat-out that your wonderful 'mom and pop" places were terrible.  They lived like kings while the rest of small town america was in fifedom.  They would "finance" products and over the life of the deal it would cost people triple.  They were counting on having a captive audience that either paid their prices, traveled a 100 miles or so, or did without.  It was a very poor, rural area.  Again, you are talking in concepts and have clearly never lived it, so you "opinons" on how they operate is just that....your "opinion".....whereas I lived it and mine is based on real world experience and FACT.

Even your definition of company store, is some crap you looked up in textbook.  The reality was that they wouldn't pay in wages because they could capture all of the money back from the employee.  Then they would bury the employee so far in debt that they were basically working in servitude.

DUDE you are still a fool and liar...no where on the planet has Mom and Pop businesses ever profitted terribly from the locals. The business owners, as I said lived right in the town with the locals in a house not much higher in standards than everyone elses. Around the world today and even in america where ORGANIC FARMERS are conducting their own businesses they operate in the mom and pop standard. Can they sell their potato's, tomato's, onions etc as cheap as Walmart...OF COURSE NOT...that is unless they employ Mexicans and USURP THE HELLOUT OF THEM LIKE WALMART DOES. You lack all understanding as to why you can buy corporation merchandise cheaply while the farmer has to maintain a certain minimum for production and profit sake. What you are doing is being the typical ignorant greedy American who wants everything at DIRT CHEAP PRICES regardless of how it is accomplished. Do a little research on the food industry... watch a video called FOOD, INC, go to your local supermarket and look at the labels that show were all of the produces comes from. Learn where your coffee, sugar, fruits, textiles etc come from, then look at the people who are producing it...VIRTUAL SLAVES LIVING IN SQUALOR FOR THE SAKE OF YOU AMERICANS HAVING ABUNDANCE CHEAPLY.

Get off this board sometimes and go out and get some air and exposure to the world.

[The Showstoppa]

DUDE you are still a fool and liar...no where on the planet has Mom and Pop businesses ever profitted terribly from the locals. The business owners, as I said lived right in the town with the locals in a house not much higher in standards than everyone elses. Around the world today and even in america where ORGANIC FARMERS are conducting their own businesses they operate in the mom and pop standard. Can they sell their potato's, tomato's, onions etc as cheap as Walmart...OF COURSE NOT...that is unless they employ Mexicans and USURP THE HELLOUT OF THEM LIKE WALMART DOES. You lack all understanding as to why you can buy corporation merchandise cheaply while the farmer has to maintain a certain minimum for production and profit sake. What you are doing is being the typical ignorant greedy American who wants everything at DIRT CHEAP PRICES regardless of how it is accomplished. Do a little research on the food industry... watch a video called FOOD, INC, go to your local supermarket and look at the labels that show were all of the produces comes from. Learn where your coffee, sugar, fruits, textiles etc come from, then look at the people who are producing it...VIRTUAL SLAVES LIVING IN SQUALOR FOR THE SAKE OF YOU AMERICANS HAVING ABUNDANCE CHEAPLY.

Get off this board sometimes and go out and get some air and exposure to the world.

First pot meet kettle.  

For your info I shop locally for produce at a co-op and buy coffee thru a program where the money goes directly to the farmers who grow it in SA.  I understand, probably better than you, due to growing up on a working farm, what it means when corporate America is allowed to run unchecked.  but to act like all mom and pop establishments are some utopia of goodness is wrong.  There are always going to be greedy people who abuse the system.  We didn't have mexicans when I was growing up, so guess who your "mom and pop" stores/business exploited for labor?  



There is a balance that can be reached between corporatism and capitalism, but to think of all large companies as "evil" is silly and naive.