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Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« on: November 05, 2009, 09:36:54 AM »
Washington (CNN) - A Republican boycott of Senate committee debate on a major climate change bill continued for a second day Wednesday, frustrating majority Democrats who have threatened to move ahead despite the lack of a GOP presence.

Only one of the seven Republicans on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee showed up Wednesday when the panel started its meeting on the bill authored by Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer of California and John Kerry of Massachusetts.

Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma, the panel's ranking Republican and an outspoken opponent of climate change legislation, left the meeting after delivering a brief statement. Republicans also stayed away from Tuesday's opening session after one GOP senator - George Voinovich of Ohio - made an opening statement.

Committee rules require at least two minority party members to be present to reach a working quorum. However, an exception could allow the committee to proceed on the bill without any Republicans, according to committee staff members.

Boxer, who chairs the committee, said Tuesday she hoped the Republicans would join the debate, but that the panel eventually would act on the bill without them as permitted under Senate rules.

Matt Dempsey, a spokesman for the committee's Republicans, told CNN that applying the exception would be a "nuclear option" by Democrats that would worsen the panel's already strained political climate.

On Wednesday, Inhofe issued a similar warning, telling Boxer that acting without the participation of Republicans would be "unwise."

"Choosing to set aside the committee's long-standing rules would jeopardize our ability to work together on other issues," he said.

He repeated the demand of Republicans for the Environmental Protection Agency to conduct a full analysis of the bill's effects on the U.S. economy before the committee begins amending the measure. Such an analysis would take several weeks, and Democrats consider the Republican demand a stall tactic.

Boxer noted Tuesday the panel has held dozens of hearings on the issue and compiled more than 300,000 pages of analysis, and that she had taken the unprecedented step of scheduling a session with EPA experts to answer any questions by committee members. However, the Republicans skipped the EPA briefing on Tuesday afternoon.

Boxer also said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, has promised the full EPA analysis sought by Republicans on the climate change bill that eventually comes before the entire Senate.

She accused the panel's Republicans of being wrong in their insistence that the EPA analysis of the bill was insufficient.

"You can't compromise when somebody says something that's just flat-out wrong," Boxer said Tuesday.

The committee's 12-member Democratic majority ensures enough support to send the bill to the full Senate without any Republican support.

Although the House has already passed its version of the bill, Senate approval is considered a much tougher challenge for Democratic proponents of the "cap-and-trade" legislation, which would contribute to reshaping the U.S. energy system.

Republicans say the Democratic climate change bill would harm the U.S. economy by raising energy costs and giving other nations a competitive advantage.

Democrats say reducing greenhouse gas emissions and the nation's dependence on fossil fuels such as oil and coal is necessary and strategic as the world moves toward clean and renewable energy sources.

The Senate bill would set a cap on greenhouse gas emissions and create a system of tradable pollution credits to ease the economic impact on polluters.



So they got the EPA in and the repubs didn't show up? This is laughable when you consider the BS posted here about Dem's not working with Repubs.  This shows the true nature of the republican party.  Sore losers. 
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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 09:40:12 AM »
Why should there by bi-partsian support for this disgracel marxist take over energy, giveawy to Goldman Sachs to trade carbon credits, and impositiioon of energy taxes? 



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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 09:45:39 AM »
Why should there by bi-partsian support for this disgracel marxist take over energy, giveawy to Goldman Sachs to trade carbon credits, and impositiioon of energy taxes? 




So they are just going to cry about it and leave?  Great work repubs!
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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 09:46:44 AM »
So they are just going to cry about it and leave?  Great work repubs!

No, they are going to kill it and expose it for the fraud that it is. 

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 09:49:11 AM »
So they are just going to cry about it and leave?  Great work repubs!
LOL maybe you havent heard jack ass but the reps couldnt stop shit if all the dems agreed

so it isnt just being bipartisan there are dems that think this is shit too  ::)

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2009, 09:49:57 AM »
No, they are going to kill it and expose it for the fraud that it is. 

Kill it how? They don't have the votes buddy hence their stall tactics. 
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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 09:51:06 AM »
Kill it how? They don't have the votes buddy hence their stall tactics. 

Landriue, Baucus, Byrd, Nelson, and many others wont vote for this garbage. 

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2009, 09:51:33 AM »
LOL maybe you havent heard jack ass but the reps couldnt stop shit if all the dems agreed

so it isnt just being bipartisan there are dems that think this is shit too  ::)

again THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!!!!!!!

That's quite the meltdown there Tony.  It has passed the house, now the only thing stopping it is repub stall tactics.  Pity.  It will bring about a greater future for us all.  Oh and it will pass  :-*
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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2009, 09:52:35 AM »
That's quite the meltdown there Tony.  It has passed the house, now the only thing stopping it is repub stall tactics.  Pity.  It will bring about a greater future for us all.  Oh and it will pass  :-*
LOL explain to me how the reps are stalling?

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2009, 09:56:41 AM »
Landriue, Baucus, Byrd, Nelson, and many others wont vote for this garbage. 

So you say.  I can see it passing.  There are provisions for more development of cleaner coal burning, offshore oil and natural gas exploration and nuclear power investment.  During which time we will also see and increased investment in american's developing newer cleaner, better technology.  

Everyone talks about america needing to produce again.  Well this is it, this is what to produce and invest in.  Produce the hardware and technology for a world wide solution to reduce increasing carbon emissions without reducing total energy consumption.  If we produce others will buy it, america is once again out leading the pack.  

Heck you know the liberal euros will buy it if it's green.  
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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2009, 09:57:35 AM »
LOL explain to me how the reps are stalling?

Uh the basis of this whole article is the repubs stalling.  They just don't show up and choose a weak excuse. 
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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2009, 09:59:17 AM »
LOL explain to me how the reps are stalling?
bump for an answer and why youre at it go answer this idiotic assertion as well...

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=304627.0

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2009, 10:00:55 AM »
Uh the basis of this whole article is the repubs stalling.  They just don't show up and choose a weak excuse. 
LOL thats not stalling

you can vote without ppl there, as the dems tried to do with the healthcare bill remember?

so with the dems having a filibuster proof majority how can the reps stall?

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2009, 10:01:05 AM »
That's quite the meltdown there Tony.  It has passed the house, now the only thing stopping it is repub stall tactics.  Pity.  It will bring about a greater future for us all.  Oh and it will pass  :-*

Spoken like the good little lemming you are.

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2009, 10:14:37 AM »
LOL thats not stalling

you can vote without ppl there, as the dems tried to do with the healthcare bill remember?

so with the dems having a filibuster proof majority how can the reps stall?

THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!!!

Committee rules require at least two minority party members to be present to reach a working quorum.

Yes they can move it forward but it's not the best option to use unless necessary.  repubs are trying to stall and forcing their hand.  weak at best. 

Just more crying though like the daily onslaught of tears from you right wingers.   :'(
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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2009, 10:25:11 AM »
That's quite the meltdown there Tony.  It has passed the house, now the only thing stopping it is repub stall tactics.  Pity.  It will bring about a greater future for us all.  Oh and it will pass  :-*

Want to bet money on that?Its DOA.NOT one democrat from the middle of the country will support it.
YOU TALK A BIG GAME BUT THE DEMOCRATS CANT EVEN PASS HEALTH CARE.This is even more unpopular.

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2009, 10:28:54 AM »
Committee rules require at least two minority party members to be present to reach a working quorum.

Yes they can move it forward but it's not the best option to use unless necessary.  repubs are trying to stall and forcing their hand.  weak at best. 

Just more crying though like the daily onslaught of tears from you right wingers.   :'(

so what youre saying is the republicans couldnt stop anything the dems wanted to do if they could get all their ppl to vote on it  ;) got ya

but you lib idiots still want to blame the reps for shit not getting done...gotchya  ;)

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2009, 10:29:13 AM »
Want to bet money on that?Its DOA.NOT one democrat from the middle of the country will support it.
YOU TALK A BIG GAME BUT THE DEMOCRATS CANT EVEN PASS HEALTH CARE.This is even more unpopular.


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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2009, 10:34:31 AM »
so what youre saying is the republicans couldnt stop anything the dems wanted to do if they could get all their ppl to vote on it  ;) got ya

but you lib idiots still want to blame the reps for shit not getting done...gotchya  ;)

Not at all.  They aren't stopping anything just stalling it.  I'm blaming repubs for their constant complaints about partisanship then not coming through at all with any ideas other than walk outs and stupid ammendments.

Fact is 60% of the american public want this energy issue resolved.  Repubs are once again going against the majority.  Just keep on crying though and claiming no one listens to you.   :'(
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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2009, 10:40:59 AM »
Not at all.  They aren't stopping anything just stalling it.  I'm blaming repubs for their constant complaints about partisanship then not coming through at all with any ideas other than walk outs and stupid ammendments.

Fact is 60% of the american public want this energy issue resolved.  Repubs are once again going against the majority.  Just keep on crying though and claiming no one listens to you.   :'(

Thats fine, but giving away billions to Goldman Sachs, taxing the shit of energy, mandating we retrofit our homes, adopting a national building code, and setting up a carbon trading market doesnt do that. 

You are a disgrace KC and simply cheerlead for anything coming from the corporate commnunist in the WH without looking into the details of this.     

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2009, 10:42:45 AM »
Not at all.  They aren't stopping anything just stalling it.  I'm blaming repubs for their constant complaints about partisanship then not coming through at all with any ideas other than walk outs and stupid ammendments.

Fact is 60% of the american public want this energy issue resolved.  Repubs are once again going against the majority.  Just keep on crying though and claiming no one listens to you.   :'(
LOL the dems dont take any rep ideas into consideration, guess why...b/c they have a filibuster proof majority and dont need to...oh but they cant get all their members to agree  ;)

LOL whos the ones crying? as far as I can see both sides are playing the politics game

the dems want reps there so they can say it was bi partisan which by the way this congress has been acting it wont be.

the majority of ppl want the health care reformed doesnt mean they want the nutjob liberal version of it.

same with the energy issue most ppl are against cap and trade there hoss

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2009, 10:53:02 AM »
1) Of course the repubs are stalling

2) Of course the dems are going to try to sew together helping environment and taxing the shit outta people.

No saints in this battle, fellahs.

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2009, 10:55:57 AM »
1) Of course the repubs are stalling

2) Of course the dems are going to try to sew together helping environment and taxing the shit outta people.

No saints in this battle, fellahs.

Why should the GOP play along with this scam? 

If the GOP wins the congress and try to pass bill to outlaw all abortions and make gay sex illegal and defunded the fed gov, do you think the RATS are just going to play along nicey nice? 

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Re: Proof the Repubs don't want partisanship
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2009, 11:03:48 AM »
2010 is going to be a massive bloodbath.  1994 is going to look like NOTHING and all these tyrants are going to get sent packing.  

 ::)

You just said the same thing about this past Tuesday.  How'd that work out for ya?

Your predictions always seem to go in the opposite direction.  It's become a trend for you lately.

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2009, 11:07:19 AM »
::)

You just said the same thing about this past Tuesday.  How'd that work out for ya?

Your predictions always seem to go in the opposite direction.  It's become a trend for you lately.

1993 REDUX CONFRONTS DEMS
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Published on TheHill.com on November 4, 2009

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As Santayana said, "Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it." Congressional Democrats: Take note!

Are the elections of 2009 precursors of the same kind of massive partisan upheaval in Congress that we experienced in 1994? The historical data says yes, they are.

In Virginia, the outcomes in 1993 and 2009 were almost identical. In 1993, after the Democratic incumbent, Doug Wilder, could not seek reelection, the governor's race pitted Republican George Allen against Democrat Mary Sue Terry. Allen won handily, 58-41 -- virtually the same margin by which McDonnell defeated Deeds this week.

 And in New Jersey, the parallels between 1993 and 2009 are equally striking. Democrat Jim Florio, then the governor, was seeking his second term against Republican Christie Todd Whitman. Just as in 2009 Chris Christie beat Jon Corzine, so in 1993 Whitman edged out Florio by 49-48. Chris Christie's margin was bigger, but his vote share was almost identical to Whitman's.

So if New Jersey and Virginia both behaved the same in 2009 as they did in 1993, will 2010 bring the same kind of sweeping Republican victory that 1994 did?

And will the Democratic defeats in these two states presage trouble for President Barack Obama's healthcare proposals in Congress?

Will history repeat itself? It depends on the depth and half-life of Democratic arrogance. If Democratic incumbents from red states start to take account of their own self-interest, the political environment for healthcare legislation in the House and the Senate will change dramatically. Democrats like Sens. Byron Dorgan (N.D.), Kent Conrad (N.D.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), Blanche Lincoln (Ark.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Evan Bayh (Ind.), Kay Hagan (N.C.) and Ben Nelson (Neb.) will have to rethink their support for a bill that is dragging their party down.

It is clear that healthcare legislation and rising unemployment are exacting a toll on Democratic legislators and cost Corzine and perhaps Deeds the governor's mansion.

Will Democrats get the message?

If Democratic congressmen and senators continue to believe that they can be saved by Obama or by massive campaign budgets, they have only to look to New Jersey to understand how little either factor counted. Corzine outspent Christie by three to one and Obama campaigned actively in the bluest of blue states for the Democratic governor.

Of course, the 1993-94 political calendar was a time of improving economic news. The recession had ended in 1992 and unemployment was dropping.

The budget deficit was declining. So the worsening job picture so far in 2009 and the dire warnings of a jobless recovery in 2010 make this cycle even more perilous for Democratic incumbents. The message is clear. The handwriting is on the wall. But can Democrats read it?

The recent indication that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is considering a vote on healthcare reform this coming Saturday, blithely continuing as if the New Jersey and Virginia elections had not turned out the way they did, is evidence that she, at least, cannot read the writing on the wall.

For the House to pass Obama's healthcare bill five days after so huge a repudiation of the Democratic Party and its program is breathtaking in its arrogance. Voters all over America will get the point: The congressional Democrats don't give a damn what the voters think.


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Westchester & Nassau thrrough all the dems out on their asses.  These are deep blue areas. 

VA was a massive landslide.  NJ was a embarassment of Obama big time considering he campaigned there 5 times yet only visted McChrystal twice.