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Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« on: November 09, 2009, 07:05:03 AM »
The president does not plan to travel to Germany to attend the 20th anniversary celebration Monday of the fall of the Berlin Wall, drawing heated criticism from those who say he's ignoring a shining triumph of American-inspired democracy.

   


President Obama squeezed in a trip to Copenhagen last month to lobby, unsuccessfully, for Chicago to host the 2016 Summer Olympics. He plans to travel to Oslo next month to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, an award that even Obama has said he does not deserve. And this coming week, he sets out on a weeklong tour of Asia.

But the president does not plan to travel to Germany to attend the 20th anniversary celebration Monday of the fall of the Berlin Wall, drawing heated criticism from those who say he's ignoring a shining triumph of American-inspired democracy.

"A tragedy," is how former House Speaker Newt Gingrich described Obama's absence.
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Some question whether the decision not to go was a nod to Russia, with which the Obama administration is trying to mend relations, or just another attempt to play down the perception of the United States as an exceptional superpower.

For its part, the administration is citing a scheduling conflict. The White House says the president simply does not have the time to go, with the trip to Asia starting Wednesday.

"Obviously we have a lot to work on here and we have commitments for an upcoming Asia trip," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday, noting that a "very senior delegation" of U.S. officials would attend.

That delegation is led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who traveled to Berlin Sunday ahead of the festivities -- the first stop for the secretary on a trip through Europe and Asia.

Obama acknowledged the anniversary of the fall of the wall last week during his meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

"We are now moving towards the 20th anniversary of the Berlin Wall coming down and Germany being reunified after so many painful years," Obama said. "And this is a special moment for Chancellor Merkel, as somebody who grew up in East Germany, who understands what it's like to be under the shadow of a dictatorial regime, and to see how freedom has bloomed in Germany, how it has become the centerpiece for a extraordinarily strong European Union."

He said the U.S.-Germany alliance is an "extraordinary pillar of the transatlantic relationship."

But some saw Obama's decision not to travel personally to Berlin as a snub to Merkel, Germany and the history behind the anniversary.

"Barack Is Too Busy," Germany's Der Spiegel magazine declared in a headline last month, writing that Obama had declined Merkel's invitation.

While Obama has traveled to Germany since taking office, he has not as president traveled to Berlin -- the site of his major speech in July 2008 during his overseas campaign tour. During that speech, he acknowledged Berlin's struggle, saying, "This city, of all cities, knows the dream of freedom."

Why then, critics asked, would the U.S. president not revisit that site to mark the culmination of that dream? After all, he has established himself as an intrepid traveler in office, setting off on a slew of overseas trips during his first 10 months on the job.

On several of the stops he has expressed regret for past American behavior, but the Berlin Wall anniversary was seen as an opportunity for the president to honor an American and Western victory for which the U.S. need feel no regret.

"It is a true shame that the president of the United States -- this man who cloaks himself in the rhetoric of hope -- won't be pausing to remember," Gingrich wrote in a column last week in The Washington Examiner.

The National Review's Rich Lowry wrote that the decision speaks to Obama's "dismissive view of the Cold War as a relic distorting our thinking."

"John F. Kennedy famously told Berliners, 'Ich bin ein Berliner.' On the 20th anniversary of the last century's most stirring triumph of freedom, Obama is telling them, 'Ich bin beschaftigt' -- i.e., I'm busy," he wrote. "Obama's failure to go to Berlin is the most telling nonevent of his presidency. It's hard to imagine any other American president eschewing the occasion."

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 07:10:53 AM »
It is a true shame that the president of the United States -- this man who cloaks himself in the rhetoric of hope -- won't be pausing to remember," Gingrich wrote in a column last week in The Washington Examiner.
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He will go to Europe to accept a sham of a Nobel Prize, but not this? 

Very telling. 

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2009, 07:14:39 AM »
If he did go, he would just draw criticism for going.

So no matter what he chooses to do, you are going to whine about it anyway.   ::)

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 07:20:53 AM »
Why would he go?Why woyuld a communist celebrate the fall of communism?The falling of the Berlin wall is a bad thing in Obamas eyes.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2009, 07:22:40 AM »
If he did go, he would just draw criticism for going.

So no matter what he chooses to do, you are going to whine about it anyway.   ::)

Yeah ok.  He gopes to German to give a "I am a citizen of the world" speech, but not for this?

GMAFB.


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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2009, 08:02:39 AM »
I agree with Miminaugh!

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 08:05:04 AM »
I agree with Miminaugh!

I'm serious  -  He went to Germany to give his " I am a citizen of the World" speech, but not for the fall of communism.  What does that tell you? 


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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2009, 09:24:54 AM »
Berlin Wall blunder - It's not only shameful - but dangerous
New York Post ^ | November 09, 2009 | nypost

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Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 11:13:33 AM by opentalk

World leaders past and present will be in Berlin today for the 20th an niversary of the fall of communist repression's most visible symbol: the 112-mile concrete wall that split the city for more than a quarter-century.

Conspicuously absent: the president of the United States, Barack Obama.

Obama's folks say he's too busy to accept German President Angela Merkel's invitation to attend today's festivities

It's pathetic that Obama won't be there -- and telling, as well.

After all, it was one of his own supposed heroes, President John F. Kennedy, who famously flew to Berlin in 1963 and denounced the wall as "an affront to history" when he memorably proclaimed to all the world: "Ich bin ein Berliner."

And it was another predecessor, Ronald Reagan, who even more famously stood before the heinous barrier and declared: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

Less than two years later, the wall had tumbled.

But, then, Reagan -- like JFK -- viewed the Cold War as a defining battle between freedom and oppressive totalitarianism. And it was a war, he said, that the West, led by America, had to win.

...For Obama, America is but one nation among many, no different -- or more exceptional -- than any other. Its record is one that, increasingly, he has felt compelled not to extol but to apologize for.


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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2009, 09:26:45 AM »
If he did go, he would just draw criticism for going.

So no matter what he chooses to do, you are going to whine about it anyway.   ::)

that was my first thought too.


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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2009, 09:28:27 AM »
that was my first thought too.



Come on Straw - you dont see this as strange?  Even Bill Clinton, Hillary, Kerry, would have went.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2009, 09:32:17 AM »
Once again,why would a communist celebrate the fall of communism?

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2009, 09:34:57 AM »
Come on Straw - you dont see this as strange?  Even Bill Clinton, Hillary, Kerry, would have went.

how do you know what Hillary, Kerry, etc.. would have done

I do feel pretty certain that if he went you would have started ten threads using ALL CAPS criticizing him for going


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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 09:37:36 AM »
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Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. He appears frequently on American and British television and radio, including Fox News Channel, CNN, BBC, Sky News, and NPR. Barack Obama’s shameful absence from Berlin: Four Key Reasons why the President stayed away
 
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Barack Obama was quick off the mark last year in heading for Berlin during his election campaign, when he was cheered by a crowd of 200,000 adoring Germans. Yet as president of the United States he has decided to stay away from Berlin as the city commemorates the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. In contrast, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown have both made the trip to Germany, while Obama has decided to send his Secretary of State.

It is shameful when the US president can’t even be bothered to show up at a ceremony marking one of the most momentous events of modern times. As Rich Lowry wrote in his column for National Review, “Obama’s failure to go to Berlin is the most telling nonevent of his presidency.” Newt Gingrich put it well when he described Obama’s foolhardy decision as “a tragedy”. Writing in The Washington Examiner, Gingrich declared:

“To commemorate, after all, is to remember. And Americans need to remember, not just that the Wall fell, but why it fell. We need to remember that the Berlin Wall was the symbol of more than just the Cold War, more than just the division of Europe. It was the symbol of an evil ideology that denied human dignity, denied truth, and respected only power. When the Wall fell, truth and human dignity, in a rare moment in the 20th century, triumphed over power. But that victory is not permanent.”

In my view, Barack Obama’s absence from Berlin today can be explained by four key factors:

1/ Obama is uncomfortable with the idea of American greatness


The fall of the Berlin Wall was the direct result of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher’s determination to confront and defeat Soviet communism. Obama is distinctly uncomfortable with the notion of celebrating the successes of American global power. Practically every speech he has given on foreign soil since taking office has been marked by an apology or apologies for America’s past. A recognition of American leadership, especially an acknowledgement of Ronald Reagan’s leadership, would have been an awkward moment for a US president who seems ashamed of American greatness and exceptionalism.

2/ Obama attaches little importance to the advancement of human rights on the world stage

The Wall’s downfall symbolized the defeat of a brutal ideology, Communism, that enslaved hundreds of millions in Europe. It marked the end of a dictatorial regime in East Germany that oppressed its own people under the auspices of an evil Empire. Barack Obama simply does not view the world as Reagan did, in terms of good versus evil, as a world divided between the forces of freedom on one side and totalitarianism on the other. For the Obama administration the advancement of human rights and individual liberty on the world stage is a distinctly low priority, as we have seen with its engagement strategy towards the likes of Iran, Burma, Sudan, Venezuela and Russia.

3/ Obama cares little about the transatlantic alliance

Obama has paid less attention to the transatlantic alliance than any US president since the Second World War. With the exception of Russia, relations with Europe appear to be of only passing interest to Obama, as is the NATO alliance, unless it involves matters of European integration. The only European issue that seems to energize the Obama administration is the EU’s drive to create a federal European superstate, which is enthusiastically supported by Washington despite the threat it poses to US interests.

4/ Obama is keen to appease Russia

The Obama administration has gone to great lengths to avoid doing anything to offend the Russians, as part of its “reset” strategy. This was exemplified by its monumental surrender to Moscow by reversing the American policy of installing Third Site missile defences in Poland and the Czech Republic. In effect, Obama threw key US allies in eastern and central Europe under the bus in order to placate Russian demands. The White House no doubt calculated that Obama’s presence in Berlin would be interpreted by hawks in Russia as provocative triumphalism on the part of the Americans. Embarrassingly for Obama, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev actually showed up at the Berlin celebrations, while the leader of the free world was nowhere to be seen.

The striking absence of the leader of the most powerful nation on the face of the earth from ceremonies marking the fall of the Berlin Wall is yet another damning indictment of Barack Obama’s world leadership, or lack of it. The United States is currently faced with an array of challenges as great as those confronted by Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, from the war in Afghanistan and the global fight against Islamist terrorism, to the rise of a nuclear-armed Iran.

America today badly needs Reagan’s vision of forceful US leadership if it is to remain as the world’s dominant power. Instead its position is being rapidly undermined by a foreign policy of weakness and indecision, one that will only strengthen the hand of its enemies.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2009, 09:57:16 AM »
how do you know what Hillary, Kerry, etc.. would have done

I do feel pretty certain that if he went you would have started ten threads using ALL CAPS criticizing him for going



Hillary is there.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2009, 09:58:46 AM »
Hillary is there.
fyi - she's Secretary of State

this is exactly the kind of thing you'd expect her to be attending

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2009, 10:00:34 AM »
fyi - she's Secretary of State

this is exactly the kind of thing you'd expect her to be attending

Hillary does not loathe this country and stands up for it on the intnl stage. 


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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2009, 10:02:23 AM »
Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary everything, yes even your loud neighbor, it's Obama's fault.
fixed.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2009, 10:03:29 AM »
fixed.

Cool.  Can I blame him for the diaraeha I had last night?   

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2009, 10:04:43 AM »
Cool.  Can I blame him for the diaraeha I had last night?   
WTF is wrong with you...  Of course.  I wouldn't expect anything less of you.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2009, 10:05:15 AM »
WTF is wrong with you...  Of course.  I wouldn't expect anything less of you.

Ha ha.  That was my first thought too.   ;D

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2009, 10:05:44 AM »
Cool.  Can I blame him for the diaraeha I had last night?   

of course YOU can

you blame him for everything else so why not?

BTW - that article by Gardiner is a joke

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2009, 10:06:47 AM »
fixed.

No,its Buss' fault,according to Obama.

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2009, 10:07:01 AM »
of course YOU can

you blame him for everything else so why not?

BTW - that article by Gardiner is a joke

What part of it?

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2009, 10:10:48 AM »
What part of it?

points 1 thru 4 but most especially # 2 and #3 (I seriously thought this article was a joke from the Onion at first glance)

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Re: Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2009, 10:16:02 AM »
points 1 thru 4 but most especially # 2 and #3 (I seriously thought this article was a joke from the Onion at first glance)