Obama refuses to rule out jail time for refusing to get health insurance.

[Soul Crusher]

Interrview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance?
November 09, 2009 6:30 PM
www.abcnews.com

From Sunlen Miller:
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During an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Jake Tapper today, President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.

“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”

Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time. The Senate removed that provision in the Senate Finance Committee.

Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance.  That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”

The President said that he didn’t think the question over the appropriateness of possible jail time is the “biggest question” the House and Senate are facing right now.

Read more from Jake Tapper’s interview with President Obama HERE.

-Sunlen Miller


November 9, 2009 |

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IS THIS WHAT THE FUCK YOU IDIOTS VOTED FOR? 

[kcballer]

Uh yes it is 333.  Insurance for all.  This would make it illegal to be a burden on the health care system.  Something you argue illegal immigrants would be in a government run option however, this is obviously not the case. 

[Soul Crusher]

Uh yes it is 333.  Insurance for all.  This would make it illegal to be a burden on the health care system.  Something you argue illegal immigrants would be in a government run option however, this is obviously not the case. 

Unreal.  You at least are honest in being marxist.

[Soul Crusher]

Uh yes it is 333.  Insurance for all.  This would make it illegal to be a burden on the health care system.  Something you argue illegal immigrants would be in a government run option however, this is obviously not the case. 

So you think someone deserves jail if they dont particpate in ObamaCare? 

[BM OUT]

Uh yes it is 333.  Insurance for all.  This would make it illegal to be a burden on the health care system.  Something you argue illegal immigrants would be in a government run option however, this is obviously not the case. 

Awesome,great,then can we jail scum bag welfare recipiants for burdening hard working Americans while they get a free ride?

Just what we need ,fill jails up with drug users and health care non participants and make sure child molestors are let out before serving their sentances.Super idea by the community organiser.

[Soul Crusher]

Awesome,great,then can we jail scum bag welfare recipiants for burdening hard working Americans while they get a free ride?

Just what we need ,fill jails up with drug users and health care non participants and make sure child molestors are let out before serving their sentances.Super idea by the community organiser.

My Stalin/Obama thread becomes more appropriate every day. 

Jail for people who dont want to pay the govt or private carriers for health coverage?  WWTTFF is that?

[Kazan]

My Stalin/Obama thread becomes more appropriate every day. 

Jail for people who dont want to pay the govt or private carriers for health coverage?  WWTTFF is that?

It is unconstitutional, like I have stated before, I can't wait for the law suits to fly

[Soul Crusher]

It is unconstitutional, like I have stated before, I can't wait for the law suits to fly

The president is a stalinist and I stand by that.  Not in the brutality of course, but the need to control everything, everywhere, all the time. 

He is disgusting and simply a POFS.  Why should anyone be forced to purchase private ofr govt insurance if they dont want it?

What the hell country are we living in?   

[kcballer]

Unreal.  You at least are honest in being marxist.

Well seriously you made such a big deal out of free health care to illegals etc now this will put a stop to anyone who doesn't contribute and you are against it.  Of course. 

[Soul Crusher]

Well seriously you made such a big deal out of free health care to illegals etc now this will put a stop to anyone who doesn't contribute and you are against it.  Of course. 

WTF is wrong with you?  Who the heck is Dear Leader or the congress to MANDATe that I buy private health care insurance by virtue of the fact that I am alive?

Illegals should be booted the hell out of here, but that is another story, and those vermin are not going to pay for anything. 

OBAMA= STALIN 2009. 

[Straw Man]

I think we should have a provision for anyone who doesn't want to participate to sign a document saying that they agree to refuse all treatment for anything unless they are insured or can pay the expense at the time service is rendered.   I'm talking about all health care including emergency service down to basic preventative care.

If some refuses to insure themselves then they should absolutely not be allowed to burden the rest of us.  

I'm sure all the pure capitalist and commie hunters on this site would agree without hesitation that this would be very fair and completely aligned with the spirit of their pure hatred of anything they perceive to be "socialist".

Sure we might have a lot of people dying from simple infections and minor injuries but that's just the way it has to be and of course we'll have plenty of people dying from cancer and other conditions too but that's not really any different than what we have now anyone and no one on the right gives a shit of about that either so I know that won't be an issue.  

I also don't think we should bury these people for free either.  If they don't have the money for burial then we should find some way to extract enough value from their dead bodies to pay for it's disposal.  

[kcballer]

So you think someone deserves jail if they dont particpate in ObamaCare? 

I think if someone decides to not have insurance at all then they are a fool.  Every single American will need some sort of health care during their lives and to make it affordable eligible people should find a plan that suits them best.  Whether that is the public option is their choice.  This will decrease the major burden on hospitals for unpaid bills because technically everyone should have coverage to pay for their bills.  

You have this crazy idea that everyone will have to be on the public option.  That is simply not true.  You can have whatever coverage suits your needs best.  The public option will not be a Cadillac coverage type policy so if you have the money or the desire you can still have the best coverage for you.  

[Soul Crusher]

I think we should have a provision for anyone who doesn't want to participate to sign a document saying that they agree to refuse all treatment for anything unless they are insured or can pay the expense at the time service is rendered.   I'm talking about all health care including emergency service down to basic preventative care.

If some refuses to insure themselves then they should absolutely not be allowed to burden the rest of us.  

I'm sure all the pure capitalist and commie hunters on this site would agree without hesitation that this would be very fair and completely aligned with the spirit of their pure hatred of anything they perceive to be "socialist".

Sure we might have a lot of people dying from simple infections and minor injuries but that's just the way it has to be and of course we'll have plenty of people dying from cancer and other conditions too but that's not really any different than what we have now anyone and no one on the right gives a shit of about that either so I know that won't be an issue.  

I also don't think we should bury these people for free either.  If they don't have the money for burial then we should find some way to extract enough value from their dead bodies to pay for it's disposal.  

I dont disagree with you.  

people should pay their own way, not be forced by the threat of jail to buy Obamacare or insurance from the companies you libs claim are evil.  

Its truly amazing, you guys claim the insurance companies are evil, kill us, ripp us off, etc, YET now the govt is forcing us under the threat of penalty and jail to purchase insurance from these very same companies.

You dont see a problem with that Straw?        

[Soul Crusher]

I think if someone decides to not have insurance at all then they are a fool.  Every single American will need some sort of health care during their lives and to make it affordable eligible people should find a plan that suits them best.  Whether that is the public option is their choice.  This will decrease the major burden on hospitals for unpaid bills because technically everyone should have coverage to pay for their bills.  

You have this crazy idea that everyone will have to be on the public option.  That is simply not true.  You can have whatever coverage suits your needs best.  The public option will not be a Cadillac coverage type policy so if you have the money or the desire you can still have the best coverage for you.  

Being a fool is not the same thing as being a criminal. 

[Straw Man]

somehow I knew you would take my sarcastic response seriously.
why didn't you highlight this part of the article you posted?


Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance.  That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said,

[Soul Crusher]

somehow I knew you would take my sarcastic response seriously.
why didn't you highlight this part of the article you posted?


Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance.  That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said,

All he had to say:  "Jail is out of the question an unacceptable".  Did he say that?  No! 

Again:  Straw:  you have claimed the insurance companies are ripping us off, evil, profiteering etc. 

If that is the case, how do you feel about the govt forcing me to purchase insurance from these same companies under threat of penalty and jail?   

[kcballer]

Because straw 333 likes to nit pick certain parts that are usually out of context, then post them or highlight them in an attempt to 'prove' a crazy point which is more often than not factually incorrect and borderline crazy i.e. stalin and obama comparisons.  i mean really?

[Soul Crusher]

Because straw 333 likes to nit pick certain parts that are usually out of context, then post them or highlight them in an attempt to 'prove' a crazy point which is more often than not factually incorrect and borderline crazy i.e. stalin and obama comparisons.  i mean really?

Very simple:   "Jail is out of the question" 

Instead, the Stalinists in the WH and Dem party are forcing working people to pay up for something they dont want while giving it away for free to the bums on welfare. 

FUCK THAT!   

[Straw Man]

Very simple:   "Jail is out of the question" 

Instead, the Stalinists in the WH and Dem party are forcing working people to pay up for something they dont want while giving it away for free to the bums on welfare. 

FUCK THAT!   

Politicians (especially ones not actually writing the legislation) are not going to go on the record with definitive statements even at this stage in the game.

you're hilarious.   If we're going to "give it away for free to bums on welfare" then what's stopping anyone who chooses to just "be a bum on welfare"

Can't you find something relevent to direct your OUTRAGE toward?

[Soul Crusher]

Politicians (especially ones not actually writing the legislation) are not going to go on the record with definitive statements even at this stage in the game.

you're hilarious.   If we're going to "give it away for free to bums on welfare" then what's stopping anyone who chooses to just "be a bum on welfare"

Can't you find something relevent to direct your OUTRAGE toward?

Some of us have an ounce of dignity and wont go on public assistance, regardless of our circumstances.  i know for many libs that is a foregin concept, but I dont you having to bust your ass to pay for me. 

You dont think the govt threatening jail to citizens who dont buy PRIVATE insurance from the companies it made a deal with is relevent? 

Of course you dont.   

[Straw Man]

Some of us have an ounce of dignity and wont go on public assistance, regardless of our circumstances.  i know for many libs that is a foregin concept, but I dont you having to bust your ass to pay for me. 

You dont think the govt threatening jail to citizens who dont buy PRIVATE insurance from the companies it made a deal with is relevent? 

Of course you dont.   

I've paid for my own insurance since the month after I left college

you on the other hand went years without insurance and were only one accident or major illness away from leaching off me and others

glad to hear you finally decided to pul your own weight

[Soul Crusher]

I've paid for my own insurance since the month after I left college

you on the other hand went years without insurance and were only one accident or major illness away from leaching off me and others

glad to hear you finally decided to pul your own weight

I have plent of savings and resources to pay out of pocket.  I pocketed all the preimums I would have paid and now have great savings. 

BTW:  Do you believe in freedom of choice or not? 

[Straw Man]

I have plent of savings and resources to pay out of pocket.  I pocketed all the preimums I would have paid and now have great savings. 

BTW:  Do you believe in freedom of choice or not? 

great - your gamble paid off.  How about all the other a-holes who are making you and I pay for their healthcare right now?

why not direct of you abundant outrage toward those folks

[Soul Crusher]

great - your gamble paid off.  How about all the other a-holes who are making you and I pay for their healthcare right now?

why not direct of you abundant outrage toward those folks

Because cause they are not the driving the costs of private health care insurance premiums. 


 

[LurkerNoMore]

Can't you find something relevent to direct your OUTRAGE toward?

+1

Instead he is like a broken record, over and over...the same whine.... over and over.

Which is doing nothing but making a mockery of his daily misery and turning it into amusement for the rest of the board readers.