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Bill Clinton: "Teabaggers inflamed because we are winning"
« on: November 10, 2009, 02:37:50 PM »
Clinton: 'We are winning'
Inside 42's lunch with Senate Dems
By CAROL E. LEE & CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 11/10/09 5:10 PM


With the issue he has positioned to be his crowning achievement as president at a crossroads, Barack Obama once again called on his former rival to help him follow through.

Former President Bill Clinton told a room full of Democratic senators Tuesday that passing health care reform — which he failed to do 15 years ago — is not only a moral issue but also “an economic imperative.”

Clinton argued that even “the most cold-hearted person” ought to support health care reform simply from an economic standpoint. He reminded Democrats of the political momentum their failure to pass reform in 1993 delivered the House of Representatives to the Republicans the following year.

"The point I want to make is: Just pass the bill, even if it's not exactly what you want," Clinton told Democrats. "When you try and fail, the other guys write history.”

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said Clinton described the ongoing tea party protests against the Democratic agenda as a sign their party was making progress.

Whitehouse quoted Clinton arguing: "The reason the tea-baggers are so inflamed is because we are winning."

Clinton’s overall message was one the Obama administration has tried to make: not passing a bill is the worse than passing one that’s not perfect.  

“So it’s not important to be perfect here, it’s important to act, to move, to start the ball rolling, to claim the evident advantages that all these plans agree with, and whatever they can get the votes for, I’m gonna support,” Clinton said he told the senators. “I think it is good politics to pass this and to pass this as soon as they can. But I think the most important thing is it is the right thing for America. The worst thing to do is nothing.”

The former president’s visit to the Hill, where he has many deep ties, is steeped with irony, given Clinton’s record on the issue and the fact that the White House has gone to great lengths not to proceed on the issue in the same vein as the Clintons did.

But those are precisely the reasons why White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel reached out to the former president. And a source close to Clinton said the former president was happy to — if not took pride in — taking on the role.

“He sees a real chance to do now what they tried to do in ’93,” the source said, adding that Clinton believes that as a former president he has an obligation to do what he can to assist his successor. The source also noted that as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, who took a lead role on health care reform in 1993, is barred from speaking about the politics of the issue.  

Still, Obama’s calling on Bill Clinton to help with the final push of his health care initiative is the latest twist in what is shaping up to be one of the most intriguing political dramas of modern times — one where Clinton is emerging as an elder statesman of sorts to the Democratic Party.

Obama most recently turned to Clinton for help during a crisis in North Korea, where the former president was dispatched to the hermit country where two journalists were being held captive. The two had lunched recently in Manhattan, and Obama spoke at Clinton’s Global Initiative. Clinton also came out, with White House urging, to campaign for struggling Virginia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Creigh Deeds.

Like Obama’s nomination of Hillary Clinton as his top diplomat, Obama’s decision to turn to Clinton to help close the deal shows his acknowledgement of his enduring influence.

Clinton spoke to Democrats as divisions within the party between liberals and conservatives could derail reform. His words carry extra weight given his position as the consummate centrist, not to mention that he has long ties with members on the Hill — Clinton specifically mentioned Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus in his remarks to stress that the conservative Montana Democrat, like Clinton, wants reform and even if moderates and liberals disagree, they agree on wanting to see a bill on Obama’s desk.

Clinton also used Baucus to highlight a key difference from 1994. Then-Finance Committee Chairman Pat Moynihan (D-N.Y.) was not on board with comprehensive health care reform like Baucus is today, Clinton said, according to a Senate aide.

"He is one of those people who understand instinctively both the substance and the politics,” said Sen. Schumer of New York. “He's been through the wars.”

Some Democrats who left the lunch said Clinton spoke of passing health care with a sense of urgency.

“These opportunities don't come along frequently,” Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland recounted Clinton saying.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said Clinton suggested Obama wants to move health care off the table so he can turn his entire focus to the economy by January — in time for 2010 elections.

“What he focused on was how important it is to move this year. And I think there is a general sense is the clock is ticking," Wyden said. "That certainly in terms of the president being able to focus on the economy next year at the State of the Union that getting it done this year will in effect clear the tables and allow the focus to be on jobs and education and infrastructure.”

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Clinton told the caucus that when the bill is passed, the American public will begin to realize that “none of the bad things that people are talking about will come to pass.”

“He’s so brilliant in his presentation that it might leave some of us thinking, ‘This is easy, why the hell didn’t we do it,’” Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) said after the lunch.

Whether Democrats pass a bill this year is “up to them to decide,” Clinton said after the Senate lunch. But, he pointed out that while Republicans have already been emboldened by divisions within the Democratic Party over reform, passing a bill can turn the tide.

“And the opposition has already been generated,” he said, “but if the support gets disenchanted then the turnout goes down and surveys don’t mean anything.”

He stressed to Democrats that they can always go back and retool initiatives and amend whatever overhaul they pass, calling it, “a big complex organic thing.”

“There is no perfect bill because there are always unintended consequences so there will be amendments to this effort,” Clinton said he told Democrats, “whatever they pass next year and the year after and the year after.”

And as if the Clinton-Obama dynamic needed any more of a spotlight, the former president’s cell phone started ringing as he finished speaking to reporters.

“It’s my Secretary of State calling,” he said.

Jake Sherman and Meredith Shiner contributed to this story.

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Re: Bill Clinton: "Teabaggers inflamed because we are winning"
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 02:52:07 PM »
If the bill had been defeated in the house, you know it'd be a MAJOR WIN for the right.



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Re: Bill Clinton: "Teabaggers inflamed because we are winning"
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 02:55:00 PM »
If the bill had been defeated in the house, you know it'd be a MAJOR WIN for the right.




Pelosi has a huge majority and dems on the left are already screaming about abortion. 

Remember - Clinton is a lightening rod for the right and he got detroyed in all the off year elctions.  The dems better be careful here. 

ZERO and Bubba could cause a massive shift to the right.     

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Re: Bill Clinton: "Teabaggers inflamed because we are winning"
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 02:56:34 PM »
Pelosi has a huge majority and dems on the left are already screaming about abortion. 

Remember - Clinton is a lightening rod for the right and he got detroyed in all the off year elctions.  The dems better be careful here. 

ZERO and Bubba could cause a massive shift to the right.     

Correct.  And this may just be a last-ditch effort to push it thru.

Still, if I had to bet the rent check, seeing as Obama is caving on abortion based on today's reports... I'd say 60/40 he gets it thru the senate.

it may cost him the majority in 2010, but it's some long-term shit that is essential to his agenda, and I think he considers it worth the cost.

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 02:58:09 PM »
Correct.  And this may just be a last-ditch effort to push it thru.

Still, if I had to bet the rent check, seeing as Obama is caving on abortion based on today's reports... I'd say 60/40 he gets it thru the senate.

it may cost him the majority in 2010, but it's some long-term shit that is essential to his agenda, and I think he considers it worth the cost.

The GOP can always run on a platform of undoing it if they win.  Actually, it could be sort of like the Contract with America to defeat ObamaCare and Cap & Tax. 

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Re: Bill Clinton: "Teabaggers inflamed because we are winning"
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2009, 03:04:12 PM »
The GOP can always run on a platform of undoing it if they win.  Actually, it could be sort of like the Contract with America to defeat ObamaCare and Cap & Tax. 

do you know the legality of that?  What would it take to "undo" something like Cap/trade or obamacare?

I know Bush didn't stop the Brady Bill.  I know the next repub didn't "undo" social security or medicare, both dem-created items which signicantly changed America.

Methinks whatever Obama pulls off, he keeps.

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 03:06:28 PM »
do you know the legality of that?  What would it take to "undo" something like Cap/trade or obamacare?

I know Bush didn't stop the Brady Bill.  I know the next repub didn't "undo" social security or medicare, both dem-created items which signicantly changed America.

Methinks whatever Obama pulls off, he keeps.

I dont know, but it seems this thing is not going to happen as the house bill.  Even Sen Warner came out and said basically this is non-starter.  Nelson & Lieberman are also probably not going for this either.   

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Re: Bill Clinton: "Teabaggers inflamed because we are winning"
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2009, 03:06:38 PM »
If the bill had been defeated in the house, you know it'd be a MAJOR WIN for the right.




No it would be a major win for America
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