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It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« on: November 13, 2009, 10:29:12 AM »
Look at the terms of this outrageous contract that Fedor & M-1 had with Affliction.  M-1 makes 4x what Fedor makes...lol.  In total, Affliction had to pay $1.5 million per fight to Fedor and his whack-pack.  This doesn't include the broadcast distribution rights in Russia & Asia!  

If the UFC did this with its top fighters, they too would be out of business.  


Details of Fedor Emelianenko's Affliction Contract and M-1's Consulting Agreement
 by Michael Rome on Nov 12, 2009 9:00 PM EST in News

 Note:  All information in this post was obtained via Affliction's motion to dismiss filed on November 6, 2009.  It is all public information and can be obtained through the Pacer system.

David Wolf of MMA Payout broke the story earlier today that Affliction filed its motion to dismiss in response to the M-1 lawsuit I discussed on Bloody Elbow last week.  Needless to say, a motion to dismiss is just a standard response in a lawsuit by the defense.  I will have more thoughts on the motion to dismiss next week on Bloody Elbow, but my initial thought is that I'm baffled as to why a 12(b)(6) focused so much on the facts instead of the law.  A 12(b)(6) motion is a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted, it is not a motion related to factual disputes.

The most interesting part of the filing is Affliction's disclosure to the courts of its agreements with Fedor Emelianenko and M-1 Global. They disclosed the promotional agreement as well as the "consulting agreement."  According to the initial M-1 filing there was a third consulting agreement related to the M-1 Challenge TV show, but as far as I can tell that agreement hasn't been disclosed.

Below I'll go through the promotional agreement's essential terms and add my comments in italics where I feel anything additional is warranted.

The Promotional Agreement.

--Fedor is to be paid a $300,000 purse per fight.

--The contract arranges for four first class tickets and three coach tickets from St. Petersburg to wherever the fight is.  It also arranges for four first class hotel rooms for up to five nights, round trip transportation on the ground, and meal allowances.  This section is more extravagant than equivalent UFC contract provisions for its top stars.

-- The contract calls for three fights under the Affliction banner, and makes Affliction the exclusive home of Fedor fights in the United States.  However, the contract states that any fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Randy Couture is excluded from the contract and can take place elsewhere.  It's clear that when this contract was signed Fedor and M-1 were still shopping around a potential Couture fight incase he ever got out of his contract.  This also further confirms that Affliction never had the rights to this fight.

--The contract states that it ends on the earlier of two dates: March 31, 2009 or after Fedor's last fight, unless the contract is extended.  This will be a serious litigation battleground; M-1 will argue that Affliction extended the contract by promoting a third show.  I find this argument fairly convincing.

--Affliction agreed to make all efforts to feature a M-1 logo on the mat.  Fedor was allowed to choose any sponsor as long as there was no conflict with Affliction.

--Fedor Emelinaenko reserved all rights to distribute and exploit his bouts in Russia and Asia.  He had the right to retain all revenue from the sale, license, or any other exploitation of his reserved rights to market the broadcast.  There are other specifics regarding Affliction's responsibility to provide Fedor and M-1 with a high definition feed.  The rights include streaming rights, and extend beyond Fedor's fights to the undercard and preliminary fights.  You can imagine the UFC would never agree to such a term.

There are a number of other important and interesting terms, but those are the essential ones.

The Consulting Agreement

--M-1 was to provide consulting on all the following topics: International bout consulting, international television, fighter scouting, location for future bouts recommendations, television-related opportunities, international sponsorships, and bout tourism.  

--M-1 was also required to fully cooperate and assist in the advertising and promotion of each fight.

--In exchange for these consulting services, Affliction agreed to pay M-1 a consulting fee of $1,200,000 per fight.  

--Affliction was required to promote the M-1 Global brand through promotional activities including: Articles in event programs, M-1 Global's logo incorporated into Affliction advertising, M-1 logo recognition with event advertising, public address announcements during the bouts, the airing of M-1 videos announcements during events, and the creation and sale of co-branded M-1 and Affliction event posters.

I believe there is still one more consulting agreement out there based on my reading of M-1's lawsuit, but Affliction did not disclose it here.  Just counting these two agreements, Fedor Emelianenko received $300,000 per fight while M-1 Global received 1.2 million.  Fedor Emelianenko is a 20% owner of M-1 Global.
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2009, 11:59:14 AM »
What a fucking joke, Fedor is an idiot being played by that fuckface fkinelstein who's just a greedy pos and cares about exploiting Fedor to make as much money as he can for himself. This guy is worse then Don King

1.2 million dollar consultation fee, ROFL for WHAT !?!? m-1 isn't even a fight company, who do they have other then Fedor, some 19 year old schmuck kid ?!

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2009, 02:39:43 PM »
What a fucking joke, Fedor is an idiot being played by that fuckface fkinelstein who's just a greedy pos and cares about exploiting Fedor to make as much money as he can for himself. This guy is worse then Don King

1.2 million dollar consultation fee, ROFL for WHAT !?!? m-1 isn't even a fight company, who do they have other then Fedor, some 19 year old schmuck kid ?!


As much of a duschebag as he may be, Dana is right.  Fedor is being played by a bunch of greedy promoters and we are being cheated out of seeing Fedor fight the best.

Oh well...
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2009, 03:08:23 PM »
fedor may be owned by the russian mob ;)
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2009, 03:08:39 PM »
As much of a duschebag as he may be, Dana is right.  Fedor is being played by a bunch of greedy promoters and we are being cheated out of seeing Fedor fight the best.

Oh well...

Agree

At least the UFC has titles and rankings. In these other promotions, Fedor is just an attraction whose fights are meaningless.

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 06:12:59 AM »
1.2 million for consultation??? Every fight?????? :o

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2009, 12:09:40 PM »
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2009, 02:37:43 PM »
Agree

At least the UFC has titles and rankings. In these other promotions, Fedor is just an attraction whose fights are meaningless.

The UFC's titles and rankings are meaningless outside of the UFC.

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 06:11:04 PM »
The UFC's titles and rankings are meaningless outside of the UFC.
Every ranking chart includes UFC fighters and they dominate all of the charts I have seen..........so I would say they must mean something. :)
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 06:19:00 PM »
Every ranking chart includes UFC fighters and they dominate all of the charts I have seen..........so I would say they must mean something. :)

Rankings by sites like Sherdog? They're about as meaningful as ESPN's NFL Power Rankings. Opinionated and nothing more. Something for people to talk about.

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 06:57:56 PM »
Rankings by sites like Sherdog? They're about as meaningful as ESPN's NFL Power Rankings. Opinionated and nothing more. Something for people to talk about.
Awhile back I went to several MMA ranking sites, don't remember them all.

Where do you go for official rankings?
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2009, 09:53:59 PM »
What a fucking joke, Fedor is an idiot being played by that fuckface fkinelstein who's just a greedy pos and cares about exploiting Fedor to make as much money as he can for himself. This guy is worse then Don King

1.2 million dollar consultation fee, ROFL for WHAT !?!? m-1 isn't even a fight company, who do they have other then Fedor, some 19 year old schmuck kid ?!


Finkelstein is smart though, M-1 doesn't need anyone else than Fedor to make money, Fedor is their golden nugget.

Fedor isn't complaining i'm sure.
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2009, 06:38:13 PM »
Awhile back I went to several MMA ranking sites, don't remember them all.

Where do you go for official rankings?
Bump for official rankings.
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2009, 07:59:19 PM »
Bump for official rankings.

I'm dying to see these "official" rankings...lol.
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2009, 10:39:18 AM »
Fedor is 20% owner of M-1, so he is building an equity stake with the brand.  I don't think he will fight in the UFC.  Noway, nohow will they co promote with M-1. 

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2009, 03:06:16 PM »
Fedor is 20% owner of M-1, so he is building an equity stake with the brand.  I don't think he will fight in the UFC.  Noway, nohow will they co promote with M-1. 

I sure fucking hope not, those greedy assholes don't deserve shit, finkelshit can go fuck himself, they are out of their fucking minds talking about being a global brand, having a multitude of (no name) fighters and wanting to split revenue with the UFC 50/50 Hahahahaha... someone on sherdog put it the best: it's like a little league team having a star athlete and expect the New York Yankees to co promote with them and share revenues 50/50.. ROFL

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2009, 03:48:29 PM »
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I sure fucking hope not, those greedy assholes don't deserve shit, finkelshit can go fuck himself, they are out of their fucking minds talking about being a global brand, having a multitude of (no name) fighters and wanting to split revenue with the UFC 50/50 Hahahahaha... someone on sherdog put it the best: it's like a little league team having a star athlete and expect the New York Yankees to co promote with them and share revenues 50/50.. ROFL

Exactly

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2009, 07:46:50 PM »
I sure fucking hope not, those greedy assholes don't deserve shit, finkelshit can go fuck himself, they are out of their fucking minds talking about being a global brand, having a multitude of (no name) fighters and wanting to split revenue with the UFC 50/50 Hahahahaha... someone on sherdog put it the best: it's like a little league team having a star athlete and expect the New York Yankees to co promote with them and share revenues 50/50.. ROFL

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2010, 09:17:50 AM »
Look at the terms of this outrageous contract that Fedor & M-1 had with Affliction.  M-1 makes 4x what Fedor makes...lol.  In total, Affliction had to pay $1.5 million per fight to Fedor and his whack-pack.  This doesn't include the broadcast distribution rights in Russia & Asia!  

If the UFC did this with its top fighters, they too would be out of business.  


Details of Fedor Emelianenko's Affliction Contract and M-1's Consulting Agreement
 by Michael Rome on Nov 12, 2009 9:00 PM EST in News

 Note:  All information in this post was obtained via Affliction's motion to dismiss filed on November 6, 2009.  It is all public information and can be obtained through the Pacer system.

David Wolf of MMA Payout broke the story earlier today that Affliction filed its motion to dismiss in response to the M-1 lawsuit I discussed on Bloody Elbow last week.  Needless to say, a motion to dismiss is just a standard response in a lawsuit by the defense.  I will have more thoughts on the motion to dismiss next week on Bloody Elbow, but my initial thought is that I'm baffled as to why a 12(b)(6) focused so much on the facts instead of the law.  A 12(b)(6) motion is a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted, it is not a motion related to factual disputes.

The most interesting part of the filing is Affliction's disclosure to the courts of its agreements with Fedor Emelianenko and M-1 Global. They disclosed the promotional agreement as well as the "consulting agreement."  According to the initial M-1 filing there was a third consulting agreement related to the M-1 Challenge TV show, but as far as I can tell that agreement hasn't been disclosed.

Below I'll go through the promotional agreement's essential terms and add my comments in italics where I feel anything additional is warranted.

The Promotional Agreement.

--Fedor is to be paid a $300,000 purse per fight.

--The contract arranges for four first class tickets and three coach tickets from St. Petersburg to wherever the fight is.  It also arranges for four first class hotel rooms for up to five nights, round trip transportation on the ground, and meal allowances.  This section is more extravagant than equivalent UFC contract provisions for its top stars.

-- The contract calls for three fights under the Affliction banner, and makes Affliction the exclusive home of Fedor fights in the United States.  However, the contract states that any fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Randy Couture is excluded from the contract and can take place elsewhere.  It's clear that when this contract was signed Fedor and M-1 were still shopping around a potential Couture fight incase he ever got out of his contract.  This also further confirms that Affliction never had the rights to this fight.

--The contract states that it ends on the earlier of two dates: March 31, 2009 or after Fedor's last fight, unless the contract is extended.  This will be a serious litigation battleground; M-1 will argue that Affliction extended the contract by promoting a third show.  I find this argument fairly convincing.

--Affliction agreed to make all efforts to feature a M-1 logo on the mat.  Fedor was allowed to choose any sponsor as long as there was no conflict with Affliction.

--Fedor Emelinaenko reserved all rights to distribute and exploit his bouts in Russia and Asia.  He had the right to retain all revenue from the sale, license, or any other exploitation of his reserved rights to market the broadcast.  There are other specifics regarding Affliction's responsibility to provide Fedor and M-1 with a high definition feed.  The rights include streaming rights, and extend beyond Fedor's fights to the undercard and preliminary fights.  You can imagine the UFC would never agree to such a term.

There are a number of other important and interesting terms, but those are the essential ones.

The Consulting Agreement

--M-1 was to provide consulting on all the following topics: International bout consulting, international television, fighter scouting, location for future bouts recommendations, television-related opportunities, international sponsorships, and bout tourism.  

--M-1 was also required to fully cooperate and assist in the advertising and promotion of each fight.

--In exchange for these consulting services, Affliction agreed to pay M-1 a consulting fee of $1,200,000 per fight.  

--Affliction was required to promote the M-1 Global brand through promotional activities including: Articles in event programs, M-1 Global's logo incorporated into Affliction advertising, M-1 logo recognition with event advertising, public address announcements during the bouts, the airing of M-1 videos announcements during events, and the creation and sale of co-branded M-1 and Affliction event posters.

I believe there is still one more consulting agreement out there based on my reading of M-1's lawsuit, but Affliction did not disclose it here.  Just counting these two agreements, Fedor Emelianenko received $300,000 per fight while M-1 Global received 1.2 million.  Fedor Emelianenko is a 20% owner of M-1 Global.

  Interesting. You claimed Fedor would be making more money in the UFC, and yet you post an article showing otherwise. Epically contradicting yourself; epically being a moron.

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2010, 03:34:51 PM »
That's his Affliction contract.  Now you know why they're out of business.  You think Fedor is making that now?  LOL!  If Strikeforce is paying anything remotely close to that, they'll be out of business by year end as well.
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2010, 08:08:10 PM »
That's his Affliction contract.  Now you know why they're out of business.  You think Fedor is making that now?  LOL!  If Strikeforce is paying anything remotely close to that, they'll be out of business by year end as well.

  So Fedor would be better of being in the UFC than taking the Affliction contract? Well, at least you admit that Fedor was better off fighting for Affliction than for the UFC. As for Strikeforce, Fedor gets a % of PPV revenue as well as ticket sales revenue which he would not get in the UFC. Fedor is doing pretty well financially your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, evident by that he just bought his mom a huge new house. If Dana White ruled over Fedor's life, he would barely be making 100K per fight at the most. Don't be fooled into believing that Dana White was gona give him a % of PPV revenue and 30 mil for a few fights because that's a lie.

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2010, 01:25:45 AM »
Fedor owns your fucking ass you bitches!!
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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2010, 06:53:30 AM »
  So Fedor would be better of being in the UFC than taking the Affliction contract? Well, at least you admit that Fedor was better off fighting for Affliction than for the UFC. As for Strikeforce, Fedor gets a % of PPV revenue as well as ticket sales revenue which he would not get in the UFC. Fedor is doing pretty well financially your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, evident by that he just bought his mom a huge new house. If Dana White ruled over Fedor's life, he would barely be making 100K per fight at the most. Don't be fooled into believing that Dana White was gona give him a % of PPV revenue and 30 mil for a few fights because that's a lie.

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During this whole summer debacle over Fedor it has been noted that Dana/Zuffa offered Fedor more then twice what he would be making with Strikeforce (% of ppv plus guaranteed 2 or 3 million a fight) and that idiot [Fedor] still turned them away, because of his jew manager, Finkelstein who's pulling Fedor's strings.

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2010, 09:55:41 AM »
During this whole summer debacle over Fedor it has been noted that Dana/Zuffa offered Fedor more then twice what he would be making with Strikeforce (% of ppv plus guaranteed 2 or 3 million a fight) and that idiot [Fedor] still turned them away, because of his jew manager, Finkelstein who's pulling Fedor's strings.


  And of course you believes what Dana White said. How can you believe anything White says? He's a notorious liar and asshole who will say anything to get what he wants.

  But let's assume that you're right, Even then, Fedor would still be making less money, because the UFC won't co-promote with M-1 Global, and Fedor is part owner of M-1 Global. So he won't be getting any increase in the market value of his company and thus of total revenues. Giving him 1% of PPV income is nothing compard to the 10% he would get if the UFC copromoted with M-1.(50% of income would go to M-1, which Fedor owns 20% of, and 20% of 50% is 10%)

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Re: It's no wonder Fedor is not in the UFC...
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2010, 12:59:27 PM »
 And of course you believes what Dana White said. How can you believe anything White says? He's a notorious liar and asshole who will say anything to get what he wants.

  But let's assume that you're right, Even then, Fedor would still be making less money, because the UFC won't co-promote with M-1 Global, and Fedor is part owner of M-1 Global. So he won't be getting any increase in the market value of his company and thus of total revenues. Giving him 1% of PPV income is nothing compard to the 10% he would get if the UFC copromoted with M-1.(50% of income would go to M-1, which Fedor owns 20% of, and 20% of 50% is 10%)

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Haha, people who believe what Dana White says crack me up. This guy has been outed as a lying scumbag on so many occasions that it's impossible to know when he's telling the truth. This guy has shown time and time again that he has no problem badmouthing Fedor when he doesn't get  his way and will say anything he can to discredit the guy.

I do not believe for one second that he would be making more money in the UFC. He would be Dana White's bitch.