You guys know what the solar cruiser is?

[kyomu]

It's not necessarily of alien life origin, although that's not impossible either. It could just be some as yet unknown / unrecorded phenomenon like plasma ejections or even solar flares or plumes of a different temperature.

Yeah. But, way of moving. And the shape.....
And they say that sometime they are chasing each other.
As you say, its not wise that make a determination before it clears.
But, its enough to make us imagine some kind of inteligent being.

[lovemonkey]

Read somewhere that life doesn't have to be based on carbon which would give that life/animal TOTALLY different characteristics than that we've got on earth. Pretty cool.

[kyomu]

Read somewhere that life doesn't have to be based on carbon which would give that life/animal TOTALLY different characteristics than that we're got on earth. Pretty cool.

Yup.
If some life has metabolism with metal, thats not wrong.

[kyomu]

The sun is vely vely hot.

Thats one of the thing i am really flipped.
Those things dont melt away with that heat.

[disco_stu]

My physics professor at Rutgers said that our milky way galaxy is comparable to a grain of sand on a beach if you want to discuss the sheer volume and mass of the total Universe. To think that we are the only case where an organism on a planet in a solar system comes to cultivate into a civilization would be ignorant. A betting man would say that we are not alone ...

you and others obviously didnt read my post then?

the ignorance is from people who think that masses of space = greater chance of finding life. it doesnt work that way.

i thought my post explained it for you.

its not about if theres life, its, where, and how to find it.

im not making this stuff up, i saw it on a tv show and this was explained by a reknowned mathmatician. (why its equally unlikely to find life as the size of the known universe increases)

[kiwiol]

Read somewhere that life doesn't have to be based on carbon which would give that life/animal TOTALLY different characteristics than that we're got on earth. Pretty cool.

If you're interested in the topic, check out "Dragon's egg", which is not too shabby a read.

Yeah. But, way of moving. And the shape.....
And they say that sometime they are chasing each other.
As you say, its not wise that make a determination before it clears.
But, its enough to make us imagine some kind of inteligent being.

Shape and pattern of movements aren't criteria you can use solely to establish or even argue for those things to be of intelligent origin. Plenty of inanimate matter exhibit perfect symmetry, complex shapes and sharp edges (like snowflakes, for example). And the movement could be ascribed to how incredibly turbulent that part of the sun's atmosphere is. You've got pressures and tugs and pulls from all directions, not to mention space will be quite bent and not linear like it is when not around so massive an object.

Again, not ruling out intelligent design, but just saying it doesn't have to necessarily be so.

[Bobby]

really?

actually thats not true. the existence of almost infinite possibilities at the same time approaches infinite impossibilities.

the one thing that people dont realise is that it isnt just what's out there, it's about "when" it's out there. In addition to the 3 main dimensions, we have time.

Sure, we couldve had life elsewhere, but at what point along the timeline?... lets say we are here for 1 millionth of the total universe's timeline..then we are looking for life existing during that timeframe. its like randomly pointing a camera in a direction and taking a picture and expecting life to be there in that one frame.

so, despite the endless expanse, there is only a tiny pinhole of opportunity, ANDS, as said before, as something gets infinitely large, it gets infinitely small at the same time. So mathematically we are looking for a poofteenth of a microsecond into a massive piece of space that is really, relatively, a grain of sand.

oh, and vice versa. to summarise, the more space and time we find without finding life, the less likley we are to find it ever.

deep

This planet has had life for millions of years, so what's to say other planets wouldn't?
The bigger it gets increases the possibility of not one other form of life, but multiple lifeforms, inhabited planets, galaxies and solar systems.

And to address time, maybe some of these planets with life were far back in time, some are now and some will be in the future...

[kyomu]

Shape and pattern of movements aren't criteria you can use solely to establish or even argue for those things to be of intelligent origin. Plenty of inanimate matter exhibit perfect symmetry, complex shapes and sharp edges (like snowflakes, for example). And the movement could be ascribed to how incredibly turbulent that part of the sun's atmosphere is. You've got pressures and tugs and pulls from all directions, not to mention space will be quite bent and not linear like it is when not around so massive an object.

Again, not ruling out intelligent design, but just saying it doesn't have to necessarily be so.

Very right.

[lovemonkey]

We are made of dead stars.

Which is a fact that is much more awe inspiring to me than any religious "miracle".

[ironneck]

allah hekber

[disco_stu]

deep

This planet has had life for millions of years, so what's to say other planets wouldn't?
The bigger it gets increases the possibility of not one other form of life, but multiple lifeforms, inhabited planets, galaxies and solar systems.

And to address time, maybe some of these planets with life were far back in time, some are now and some will be in the future...

yes, this planet has had life for millions of years, and lets say that millions of other planets have had also... the problem is that we have to find life when both planets have life. millions of years isnt a big timeframe in the overall scheme of the universe. its like 1 second in the day. That whole day has thousands of seconds where life exists then becomes extinct within 1 second, AND we dont know where that occurs.
So within that 1 second we have to find where life could be amongst trillions of planets (we can only look at less than a dozen currently) AND that it is currently living.

like mars for instance, maybe it had life billions of years ago. But we missed the timeframe for it. It didnt evolve so its not there now.

its just not so cut and dry that because we discover more and more "out there" that its not inevitable that we'll find them..its a paradox that we will find it more difficult.

[lesaucer]

so many people i know saw ufo its crazy, even i saw something, in the middle of nowhere there was fucking HUGE weird lights in the clouds at night. alot of people were seeing ufo where i used to live. cant wait until one get in a big city like ny and freak the fuck out of everyone lol

[dr.chimps]

We are made of dead stars.

[Mr Nobody]

We are going to eliminate all aliens right at the moment.

[Bflex]

You have to ask yourself why would an alien spaceship look so cliche / stereotype like the "flying saucer" type of spaceship? that is a fiction, an idea created by humans. it is rather unlikely that a real spaceship would look like this, isnt it?
when thinking about aliens and alien life you cannot measure them by fantasies created by some sci-fi writers/films. unlikely that it would look like this.

[Bobby]

so many people i know saw ufo its crazy, even i saw something, in the middle of nowhere there was fucking HUGE weird lights in the clouds at night. alot of people were seeing ufo where i used to live. cant wait until one get in a big city like ny and freak the fuck out of everyone lol

has already happened

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[Bobby]

yes, this planet has had life for millions of years, and lets say that millions of other planets have had also... the problem is that we have to find life when both planets have life. millions of years isnt a big timeframe in the overall scheme of the universe. its like 1 second in the day. That whole day has thousands of seconds where life exists then becomes extinct within 1 second, AND we dont know where that occurs.
So within that 1 second we have to find where life could be amongst trillions of planets (we can only look at less than a dozen currently) AND that it is currently living.

like mars for instance, maybe it had life billions of years ago. But we missed the timeframe for it. It didnt evolve so its not there now.

its just not so cut and dry that because we discover more and more "out there" that its not inevitable that we'll find them..its a paradox that we will find it more difficult.

I know what you mean and it's an interesting way of thinking! Lifeforms will come and go, however i do believe with the incredible size (which we will never know) that there will be life out there at any given time. We will probably not find it as our technology won't allow it as you said yourself, but what's to say "their" technology won't allow them to find us or something else?

[lesaucer]

damn, never saw that before! but im talking about a ufo in like ny during the day! with everyone having cameras and shit ppl couldnt say fake, that would freak out the entire planet lol

[Bflex]

damn, never saw that before! but im talking about a ufo in like ny during the day! with everyone having cameras and shit ppl couldnt say fake, that would freak out the entire planet lol

STRANGE that doesnt seem to happen isnt it.

[dr.chimps]

My God, it's full of stars.

[kyomu]

My God, it's full of stars.

Very cool scene..

[ironneck]

i think i'm a shapeshifter
sometimes i feel like a reptilian

[Mr Nobody]

i think i'm a shapeshifter
sometimes i feel like a reptilian

You might want to talk Sevatase about this he has the same issue I think.

[kiwiol]

My God, it's full of stars.

I like Dune better than 2001. Probably because I only saw the latter a few months ago for the first time

[Bflex]