And WHERE IS THE POPE on this matter

[SAMSON123]

You mean just one person can undue what MILLIONS have democratically voted for??

European Court bans crucifixes in Italy's classrooms

Italy has reacted furiously after the European Court of Human Rights ruled crucifixes should not be displayed in the country's schools.
 
By Nick Squires in Rome
Published: 6:13PM GMT 03 Nov 2009

 A panel of judges said the display of Christian crosses violated the principle of secular education and might be 'disturbing' for children from other faiths Photo: AFP/GETTY
The landmark judgment could force a Europe-wide review of the use of religious symbols in state-run schools.

A panel of seven judges in Strasbourg said the display of Christian crosses, which is common but not mandatory in Italian schools, violated the principle of secular education and might be "disturbing" for children from other faiths.

It upheld a complaint filed by Soile Lautsi, a Finnish woman with Italian citizenship, who complained that her children had to attend a state school in northern Italy which had crucifixes in every classroom.

The court awarded her 5,000 euros (£4,470) in "moral damages", which will have to be paid by the Italian government.

It stopped short of ordering authorities to remove crucifixes from all state-run schools and the long-term implications of the ruling were unclear.

"The presence of the crucifix could be ... disturbing for pupils who practised other religions or were atheists, particularly if they belonged to religious minorities," the court said in its ruling.

The judgment sparked anger in predominantly Catholic Italy, with ministers from Silvio Berlusconi's conservative government saying the crucifix was an integral part of national culture and identity.

A member of the governing People of Freedom party, Antonio Mazzocchi, said that Europe was in danger of forgetting its Christian heritage.

The agriculture minister, Luca Zaia, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League, a key ally in Mr Berlusconi's bloc, called the judgment "shameful".

The foreign minister, Franco Frattini, said it was an attack on Italy's Christian identity and that the government would appeal the decision.

"At a time when we're trying to bring religions closer together, this is a blow to Christianity," he said.

The head of the Italian bishops' intercultural dialogue commission, Monsignor Vincenzo Paglia, said the court's decision was "irresponsible".

[Soul Crusher]

You mean just one person can undue what MILLIONS have democratically voted for??

European Court bans crucifixes in Italy's classrooms

Italy has reacted furiously after the European Court of Human Rights ruled crucifixes should not be displayed in the country's schools.
 
By Nick Squires in Rome
Published: 6:13PM GMT 03 Nov 2009

 A panel of judges said the display of Christian crosses violated the principle of secular education and might be 'disturbing' for children from other faiths Photo: AFP/GETTY
The landmark judgment could force a Europe-wide review of the use of religious symbols in state-run schools.

A panel of seven judges in Strasbourg said the display of Christian crosses, which is common but not mandatory in Italian schools, violated the principle of secular education and might be "disturbing" for children from other faiths.

It upheld a complaint filed by Soile Lautsi, a Finnish woman with Italian citizenship, who complained that her children had to attend a state school in northern Italy which had crucifixes in every classroom.

The court awarded her 5,000 euros (£4,470) in "moral damages", which will have to be paid by the Italian government.

It stopped short of ordering authorities to remove crucifixes from all state-run schools and the long-term implications of the ruling were unclear.

"The presence of the crucifix could be ... disturbing for pupils who practised other religions or were atheists, particularly if they belonged to religious minorities," the court said in its ruling.

The judgment sparked anger in predominantly Catholic Italy, with ministers from Silvio Berlusconi's conservative government saying the crucifix was an integral part of national culture and identity.

A member of the governing People of Freedom party, Antonio Mazzocchi, said that Europe was in danger of forgetting its Christian heritage.

The agriculture minister, Luca Zaia, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League, a key ally in Mr Berlusconi's bloc, called the judgment "shameful".

The foreign minister, Franco Frattini, said it was an attack on Italy's Christian identity and that the government would appeal the decision.

"At a time when we're trying to bring religions closer together, this is a blow to Christianity," he said.

The head of the Italian bishops' intercultural dialogue commission, Monsignor Vincenzo Paglia, said the court's decision was "irresponsible".

Coming to the US soon enough. 

The gallows, eletric chair, firing squad, guillotine need to be warmed up for all tyrants. 

This crap is getting ridiculous. 

[Straw Man]

Coming to the US soon enough.  

The gallows, eletric chair, firing squad, guillotine need to be warmed up for all tyrants. 

This crap is getting ridiculous. 

it's always been here dipshit.

we don't allow crucifixes in public schools now

[Soul Crusher]

it's always been here dipshit.

we don't allow crucifixes in public schools now

How many bong hits did you do yesterday? 

This is about a foreign entity dictating to Italy what it can and cant do.  Its not about a crucifix fool alone fool. 

[Straw Man]

How many bong hits did you do yesterday? 

This is about a foreign entity dictating to Italy what it can and cant do.  Its not about a crucifix fool alone fool. 

really - then why is the story only about a crucifix

my post was in response to your idiotic statement about "coming to the US soon enough"

is it possible you're atually getting dumber?

[Soul Crusher]

is it possible you're atually getting dumber?

________________________ ________________________ ___

Funny, I was thinking the same thing of you.   

[Straw Man]

is it possible you're atually getting dumber?

________________________ ________________________ ___

Funny, I was thinking the same thing of you.   

I take that as proof you are actually getting dumber.

[Soul Crusher]

I take that as proof you are actually getting dumber.

Do I need to remind you of your support for the Stimulus Bill & CFC again and how that worked out?   

[Straw Man]

Do I need to remind you of your support for the Stimulus Bill & CFC again and how that worked out?   

hard to say but I think they both helped more than they hurt

Also impossible to say how much worse things would have been without them either but I suspect things would be MUCH worse right now without them

[Soul Crusher]

hard to say but I think they both helped more than they hurt

Also impossible to say how much worse things would have been without them either but I suspect things would be MUCH worse right now without them

Whatever, I am heading out to the gym and at least my blood pressure is up now from dealing with you maybe I will bang out some huge lifts.      

[Straw Man]

Whatever, I am heading out to the gym and at least my blood pressure is up now from dealing with you maybe I will bang out some huge lifts.      

if you let comments on a message board get your blood pressure up then you really are getting dumber

[Soul Crusher]

if you let comments on a message board get your blood pressure up then you really are getting dumber

No, its all good. 

[SAMSON123]

How in the world did my post turn into a screaming match about fools, blood pressure, etc. The point I wanted viewed by everyone was how a policy, regulation or law voted in by a democratic society can be changed by a single person infringing upon the desires of a WHOLE NATION because in some way the single person claims they are/were offended.

This same situation was done in america by a lone white woman who claimed the TEN COMMANDMENTS were an offense to her and through this ONE PERSON all references to the TEN COMMANDMENTS were removed from schools, courts and any government, state or legal building. Following this was a white male lawyer who claimed saying PRAYERS in school was an offense to his daughter and because of this one lone person prayers were removed from school.

In the so called DEMOCRATIC societies it seems to be coming to fruition that so called DEMOCRACY is nothing but a pacifying word that withers and loses all meaning, strength and purpose in the face of someone who will challenge it.

IMAGINE... ONE LONE PERSON CHANGED THE COURSE OF A MIGHTY RIVER.....

...maybe the river was never mighty.

Something to think about americans...

[Soul Crusher]

How in the world did my post turn into a screaming match about fools, blood pressure, etc. The point I wanted viewed by everyone was how a policy, regulation or law voted in by a democratic society can be changed by a single person infringing upon the desires of a WHOLE NATION because in some way the single person claims they are/were offended.

This same situation was done in america by a lone white woman who claimed the TEN COMMANDMENTS were an offense to her and through this ONE PERSON all references to the TEN COMMANDMENTS were removed from schools, courts and any government, state or legal building. Following this was a white male lawyer who claimed saying PRAYERS in school was an offense to his daughter and because of this one lone person prayers were removed from school.

In the so called DEMOCRATIC societies it seems to be coming to fruition that so called DEMOCRACY is nothing but a pacifying word that withers and loses all meaning, strength and purpose in the face of someone who will challenge it.

IMAGINE... ONE LONE PERSON CHANGED THE COURSE OF A MIGHTY RIVER.....

...maybe the river was never mighty.

Something to think about americans...

Look back at the thread Samson.  I agreed that this is ridiculous and a harbinger of things to come here and Straw attacked me.