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OBAMA BOWING?.... Why?... Here is why
« on: November 14, 2009, 06:19:44 PM »
Obama bows because he then turns around and asks these same world  leaders for MONEY to help pro america up and keep it from a full financial collapse.
 

How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow



November 14, 2009 |  3:38 am


(UPDATES: 12:22 p.m. A brief news video has been added below, showing the greeting in this photograph. Contrary to some claims, the video shows no reciprocal bow by the emperor, who traditionally bows to no one. And we've added a file photo from 2007 of Vice President Dick Cheney greeting the Japanese emperor at the same residence in a different fashion.)

How low will the new American president go for the world's royalty?


This photo will get President Obama a lot of approving nods in Japan this weekend, especially among the older generation of Japanese, who still pay attention to the royal family living in its downtown castle. Very low bows like this are a sign of great respect and deference to a superior.

To some in the United States, however, an upright handshake might have looked better. (See Cheney-Akihito photo, right.)

Remember Michelle Obama casually patting Britain's Queen Elizabeth on the back during their Buckingham Palace visit? America's royalty tends to make movies and to get bad reviews and lots of money as a sign of respect.

Obama could receive some frowns back home as he did for his not-quite-this-low-or-maybe-about-the-same-bow to the Saudi king not so long ago. (See photo below.)



Akihito, who turns 76 next month, is the eldest son and fifth child of Emperor Showa, the name given to an emperor and his reign after his death.

Emperor Showa is better known abroad by the life name of Hirohito. He became emperor in 1925 and died in 1989, the longest-known rule of the nation's 125 emperors.

Hirohito presided over his nation's growth from an undeveloped agrarian economy into the expansionist military power and ally of Nazi Germany of the 1930s.

And, later, Japan became a global economic giant. Hirohito, along with Prime Minister Hideki Tojo, who authorized the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, were much reviled abroad during World War II.

Historically, debate has simmered over how much of a political puppet Hirohito was to the country's military before and during the war.

Even after Democratic President Harry Truman ordered the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the summer of 1945, there were strong forces within Japan that wanted to continue to fight the Americans in the spirit of kamikaze suicide pilots.

But Akihito's father went on national radio — the first time his subjects had ever heard Hirohito's voice — and without using the inflammatory word "surrender," pronounced that the country must "accept the unacceptable." It did.

As the conquering Allied general and then presiding officer of the U.S. occupation, Gen. Douglas MacArthur decided to allow Japan to keep its emperor as a ceremonial unifying institution within a nascent democracy.

Tojo, on the other hand, was hanged.

MacArthur treated Emperor Hirohito respectfully but, as his body language in this black-and-white postwar photo demonstrates, was not particularly deferential.

(But then MacArthur was not known as a particularly deferential person, as Truman discovered just before firing him later. But that's another war.)

Akihito was born during Japan's conquering of China and was evacuated during the devastating American fire-bombing of Tokyo, which was built largely of wood in those days.

The future emperor learned English during the U.S. occupation, but, inexplicably, his father ordered that his oldest boy not receive an Army commission as previous imperial heirs always had.

Akihito assumed the throne on Jan. 7, 1989. Within weeks he began a series of formal expressions of remorse to Asian countries for Japan's actions during his....



...father's reign. In 2003, he underwent surgery for prostate cancer.

In 1959, Akihito married Michiko Shoda, the first commoner allowed to enter the Japanese royal family. That was two years before the birth of Akihito's future presidential guest, Barack Obama.

Joe Biden was already 17 by then. But he wasn't a senator.




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Re: OBAMA BOWING?.... Why?... Here is why
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2009, 09:47:24 PM »
Akihito looks considerably shorter than Abdullah, so a lower bow isn't really so out of place. Akihito is definitely bent at the waist in a bow, so I'm not sure what Malcolm is talking about. Age is also something to take into account. Obama is younger, so Akihito wouldn't necessarily bow as low even with respect to the leadership position.

People love to shit disturb. The article is filled with random noise to distract from the reality that Malcolm has nothing to say.
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Re: OBAMA BOWING?.... Why?... Here is why
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2009, 05:54:51 AM »
Akihito looks considerably shorter than Abdullah, so a lower bow isn't really so out of place. Akihito is definitely bent at the waist in a bow, so I'm not sure what Malcolm is talking about. Age is also something to take into account. Obama is younger, so Akihito wouldn't necessarily bow as low even with respect to the leadership position.

People love to shit disturb. The article is filled with random noise to distract from the reality that Malcolm has nothing to say.

Good try.  No one is buying it any more. 


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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 08:00:13 AM »
Good try.  No one is buying it any more. 

Buying what? Being diplomatic? I'm not an Obama fanboy, but when people are grasping at each and every straw in order to go, 'Nyah, nyah!' at him? It's a bit much and says more about the person than it does about him.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 08:02:14 AM »
Buying what? Being diplomatic? I'm not an Obama fanboy, but when people are grasping at each and every straw in order to go, 'Nyah, nyah!' at him? It's a bit much and says more about the person than it does about him.

No other leader has done this and I posted the pics of other people greeting this guy.  Not one ever bowed like this.    Its demeaning. 

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2009, 08:20:44 AM »
No other leader has done this and I posted the pics of other people greeting this guy.  Not one ever bowed like this.    Its demeaning. 

When a person is asking nations like Japan, China and Saudia Arabia for BILLIONS in loans he must HUMBLE himself..especially when this person's country and economy is in freefall. Obama is humbling himself before the world leaders cuz america is BROKE AND BEGGING.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2009, 08:24:16 AM »
When a person is asking nations like Japan, China and Saudia Arabia for BILLIONS in loans he must HUMBLE himself..especially when this person's country and economy is in freefall. Obama is humbling himself before the world leaders cuz america is BROKE AND BEGGING.

i would rather starve than submit.  Maybe is this scumbag and the last one did not insist on spending trillions on the banksters and planning on energy taxes and an insane health care fiasco, we could begin to bottom out and rebuild.   

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2009, 08:38:15 AM »
That's an interpretation, not necessarily an actuality. It is custom to bow with the depth appropriate to a person. As a diplomat, it goes a long way when you take the time to learn a few words of language and custom.

Some people will think one thing, some will go another. It's fine. At the end, delusional thinking will kill us all.
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2009, 08:49:32 AM »
Why would he be asking Japan for money? They've been hit harder than pretty much everyone by this recession. Maybe you should do some reading before spouting off this crap.  ::)

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2009, 09:24:33 AM »
Why would he be asking Japan for money? They've been hit harder than pretty much everyone by this recession. Maybe you should do some reading before spouting off this crap.  ::)

ASSHOLE American has been borrowing Billions from Japan to the point where america now owes Japan  a TRILLION DOLLARS.

Don't post anymore... you keep making yourself all the more of a RETARD and up to this point we all thought it impossible you could get anymore retarded.
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 09:51:46 AM »
Retard...per Dept of State policy..US leaders don't bow..period. Go hand urself CT retard.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2009, 10:25:21 AM »
Retard...per Dept of State policy..US leaders don't bow..period. Go hand urself CT retard.

Can you post the exact policy stating this? I keep hearing it, but I've never seen it substantiated.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2009, 10:48:25 AM »
I don't have access to DOS SOP's but its common knowledge that US Leaders don't bow.....

"IF I see another king, I think I shall bite him," Teddy Roosevelt once growled. Offered that opportunity with the Japanese equivalent last week, Bill Clinton turned out to have had quite something else in mind.

It wasn't a bow, exactly. But Mr. Clinton came close. He inclined his head and shoulders forward, he pressed his hands together. It lasted no longer than a snapshot, but the image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent President, and the Emperor of Japan.

Canadians still bow to England's Queen; so do Australians. Americans shake hands. If not to stand eye-to-eye with royalty, what else were 1776 and all that about? But Mr. Clinton, alas, is not the only one since George Washington who has seemed not quite to know what to make of monarchs.

There was that curtsy, during the Reagan years, when Lenore Annenberg, herself the chief of protocol, forgot herself entirely and did a little dip to greet a visiting Prince Charles. That prompted a stern warning from Miss Manners against those who might mock the effort that "was once put into freeing Americans from the necessity of bending their knees." Soon afterward, when Nancy Reagan greeted Queen Elizabeth II behind closed doors, her press secretary acknowledged that Mrs. Reagan had bowed her head but insisted, "It was definitely not a curtsy."

With the imperial visit last week, official Washington was clearly determined to show that it knew well what courtesies should be showered on the 175th inheritor of the most formal throne on earth.

Guests invited to a white-tie state dinner at the White House (a Clinton Administration first) were instructed to address the Emperor as "Your Majesty," not "Your Highness" or, worse, "King." And in what one Administration aide called "some emperor thing," an Army general was cautioned that he should not address the Emperor Akihito at all as he escorted him to the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery.

But the "thou need not bow" commandment from the State Department's protocol office maintained a constancy of more than 200 years. Administration officials scurried to insist that the eager-to-please President had not really done the unthinkable.

"It was not a bow-bow, if you know what I mean," said Ambassador Molly Raiser, the chief of protocol.

White House officials described Mr. Clinton's tilt as something of an improvisation. Because Emperor Akihito broke with tradition in turn to raise his glass at the state dinner, some even said Mr. Clinton had managed something of a breakthrough.

"Presidents don't bow, and Emperors don't toast," one official said. "So this was a little bit like the cultures meeting each other halfway."
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2009, 10:55:05 AM »


the state department says you can only hold hands and kiss

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2009, 11:03:33 AM »
@HH6: Unsatisfactory. DOS has documents on site for practically everything. I've attempted a number of searches on DOS in order to figure out what the proper answer is. So far, it seems like this is another factoid memetically replicating itself on discussion boards and 'news' sites.
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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2009, 11:06:46 AM »
U realize that a bow isn't even close to the same as holding hands......and that ur loser president is a failure and a pussy. Liberalism is failure. U guys can defend this as much as u want. barry bowed..he did something that no president has ever done and now we seen as weak... NOTE to Barry..we're not the same as japan as much as u want us to be. We're not the same as anybody. I hope he tries to apologize for the nukes.


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November 14, 2009 Posted by Scott at 7:06 AM
We criticized Barack Obama when he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. Americans do not bow to royalty. When the royal is the ruling tyrant of a despotic regime, the wrong is compounded. Obama's bowing to the King was deeply offensive.

When the story emerged from the shadows of the Internet, Ben Smith ran an item on Politico with the White House denying the bow. "It wasn't a bow. He grasped his hand with two hands, and he's taller than King Abdullah," said an Obama aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Bill O'Reilly ran a bemused segment on it once the White House denied what Obama had done.

A reporter asked Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs about the bow. Under his own name and on the record, Gibbs denied what any fool could see. Indeed, one astute observer commented on CNN that "Ray Charles could see that he bowed."



Obama has now done it again. Andrew Malcolm asks (and reports): "How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow."

Obama's breach of protocol is of a piece with the substance of his foreign policy. He means to teach Americans to bow before monarchs and tyrants. He embodies the ideological multiculturalism that sets the United States on the same plane as other regimes based on tribal privilege and royal bloodlines. He gives expressive form to the idea that the United States now willingly prostrates itself before the rest of the world. He declares that the United States is a country like any other, only worse, because we have so much for which to apologize.



In the photo above, retrieved by Malcolm from Army archives for his post on Obama's bow, Douglas Macarthur is pictured with Emperor Hirohito. Malcolm observes that Macarthur "treated Emperor Hirohito respectfully but, as his body language in this black and white postwar photo demonstrates, was not particularly deferential."

Macarthur was a faithful representative of the only country in history founded on the proposition that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." When Macarthur stood beside the Emperor, he subordinated himself to his country. Macarthur not only believed in the proposition that all men are created equal, he sought to teach it to others. Japan was a case in point.

Malcolm thus misses the essential difference between Macarthur and Obama. Obama is not particularly deferential either. Obama is a man of extraordinary arrogance. He seeks fundamentally to transform the United States. With him, a new age begins.

JOHN adds: The context of Obama's bow is worth noting. He has now carried his apology tour to Japan; his speech in Tokyo was largely an attack on his own country's recent history and policies:

In a slap at President George W. Bush, Obama spoke of the importance of "multilateral organizations [that] can advance the security and prosperity of this region."

"I know that the United States has been disengaged from these organizations in recent years. So let me be clear: those days have passed," Obama said during the first major address of a four-country Far East swing, which will continue from Japan to Singapore, China and South Korea. ...

The White House wants to signal U.S. re-engagement with Asia, and the speech was designed to provide an overture to Asia similar to the outreach to the Arab world in the president's famous Cairo address.

It is untrue that "in recent years" the United States was "disengaged" from multilateral organizations in the Pacific region, but Obama's serial apologies require no basis in fact.

As usual in such speeches, Obama cast himself as the hero who has redeemed his country's sordid past. Describing himself as "America's first Pacific President," he said:

He sought to strike a balanced tone, saying, "We will not agree on every issue, and the United States will never waver in speaking up for the fundamental values that we hold dear - and that includes respect for the religion and cultures of all people. Because support for human rights and human dignity is ingrained in America. But we can move these discussions forward in a spirit of partnership rather than rancor." ...

"Since taking office, I have worked to renew American leadership and pursue a new era of engagement with the world based on mutual interests and mutual respect," he said. ...

"From my first days in office, we have worked to strengthen the ties that bind our nations," he said.

Ashamed of his country but arrogant about himself--what a disgusting combination.

PAUL adds: Mark Steyn suggests it's time for Valerie Jarrett to speak truth to bower.

UPDATE: Thomas Lifson and Bill Kristol have more, as does Malcolm himself in his own update.

JOHN adds: Unfortunately, Obama's bow wasn't his only blunder of the day, as we note here.


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Re: OBAMA BOWING?.... Why?... Here is why
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2009, 11:10:15 AM »
big fucking deal.
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2009, 11:12:48 AM »
Yeah..nothing's a big deal, until it is.  ::)
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2009, 11:14:45 AM »
ASSHOLE American has been borrowing Billions from Japan to the point where america now owes Japan  a TRILLION DOLLARS.

Don't post anymore... you keep making yourself all the more of a RETARD and up to this point we all thought it impossible you could get anymore retarded.

Hahaha, you're so full of shit it's hilarious. It's not 1 trillion, not even close. The highest estimate I've seen is $750 billion (although it's more around $500 billion), most of which is YEARS OLD debt. Japan hasn't been giving out many loans (not even to their own people) lately. It's hilarious how badly you'll inflate numbers and how often you flat out lie to prove a point.

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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2009, 11:39:53 AM »
LOL at people spending their focus on this... in the meantime, cap/trade and healthcare are quietly sneaking through.

But hey, he's bowing to an ally, let's talk about that all day!  Let's spend tomorrow talking about how much Michelle's sneakers cost.  Maybe he'll sneak thru an Amnesty bill while you're all bitching about that.

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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2009, 12:23:27 PM »
LOL at people spending their focus on this... in the meantime, cap/trade and healthcare are quietly sneaking through.

But hey, he's bowing to an ally, let's talk about that all day!  Let's spend tomorrow talking about how much Michelle's sneakers cost.  Maybe he'll sneak thru an Amnesty bill while you're all bitching about that.


Yeah, because people are incapable of discussing multiple issues.  Haven't seen any threads on here about Cap & Trade, healthcare reform, or amnesty.  ::)

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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2009, 01:06:36 PM »
I'd rather see him bow than kiss and hold hands like a couple of girls

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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2009, 03:29:21 PM »


the state department says you can only hold hands and kiss

HAHHAAHAAHAHAAHAH... I LOVE IT!!!!... I forgot when this happened and how shocked I was seeing Bush holding hands with the Saudi leader. He looked quite comfortable doing it as well. I guess symbolically the Saudis were letting america know we will FUCK your leader if her doesn't do as we say. And remember Saudi Arabia has invested FOUR TRILLION in to america...So...
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2009, 03:43:57 PM »


the state department says you can only hold hands and kiss


LMAO! Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! ;D

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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2009, 03:47:35 PM »
Sure..Bush ain't president douchbags...sorry ur douchbag failure is running things..and running them into the ground.
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