need advice

[slacker]

thanks guys.

[Luv2Hurt]

Extremely important if you want to retain your gains. 500 will shut you down. The purpose of PCT is to get things working as quick as possible to keep as many gains as possible.

Very true many forget that PCT is for returning to natural.  This can be a one year commitment if someone really wants to get back a healthy natty system. that's why PCT is pointless for the guy who really just has short breaks (less then 3 months) they might as well cruise on low dose test until ready to go back to boring, old homeostasis.

I sort of look at PCT as giving you a running start through the recovery period, hopefully keeping the time brief when natty test is low or gone until you can start making some again yourself. too much PCT especially HCG will keep you shut down so the limbo period starts when the HCG stops. At that point nolva or clomid would be the choice for a while.

[slacker]

So because I plan to go back on after 8/10 weeks Then i should take a maintenance dose of test 250 per week to keep gains  thanks

[Kentucky_cowboy]

say I cruise on 250 mg of test between cycles for 6 weeks now during these 6 weeks do I take HCG and Clomid too

[4thAD]

So because I plan to go back on after 8/10 weeks Then i should take a maintenance dose of test 250 per week to keep gains  thanks

You can run it lower than that. You could run as low as 150mg ew, and your levels will be high side of normal. More than enough to sustain gains 8 weeks or so.

say I cruise on 250 mg of test between cycles for 6 weeks now during these 6 weeks do I take HCG and Clomid too

HCG should be run continuously, the whole time your "ON". No need for clomid. Clomid would be for PCT and there is no need for PCT when bridging.

[Kentucky_cowboy]

You can run it lower than that. You could run as low as 150mg ew, and your levels will be high side of normal. More than enough to sustain gains 8 weeks or so.



HCG should be run continuously, the whole time your "ON". No need for clomid. Clomid would be for PCT and there is no need for PCT when bridging.

I didn't take any hcg during cycle so am thinking of taking it during the 6 week bridge maybe 2-3 5000 iu amps what do you think of this

[4thAD]

I didn't take any hcg during cycle so am thinking of taking it during the 6 week bridge maybe 2-3 5000 iu amps what do you think of this

Way to much over 6 weeks. Using HCG "ON" cycle the recommended dose is 500iu e3d, or 500iu 2xew. Either dosing schedule is fine and works. Personally I prefer e3d. I have studies posted on this board that show this to be the optimal dose for adult males on steroid cycles. Running HCG while "ON" cycle will make PCT much more successful.

Keep in mind too much HCG can cause desensitization. Also keep in mind that desensitization is not caused by the duration of use, but by using too much over an extended time period. If you have any more q's regarding HCG feel free to ask.

[Kentucky_cowboy]

Way to much over 6 weeks. Using HCG "ON" cycle the recommended dose is 500iu e3d, or 500iu 2xew. Either dosing schedule is fine and works. Personally I prefer e3d. I have studies posted on this board that show this to be the optimal dose for adult males on steroid cycles. Running HCG while "ON" cycle will make PCT much more successful.

Keep in mind too much HCG can cause desensitization. Also keep in mind that desensitization is not caused by the duration of use, but by using too much over an extended time period. If you have any more q's regarding HCG feel free to ask.

Thanks 4thAD.  I have a question which I asked before but no one answered ive never really understood why pharm grade hcg amps are 5000 iu yet so many people recommend to take only 500 iu or so which you would need to get extra water to dilute the powder in since pharm grade amps come with 1 cc water.  If 5000 iu were too much to take in one shot why do they make them in this size?  I thought you are supposed to take 5000 iu every fifth day post cycle so if you are right that is better and cheaper but just curious not trying to doubt your knowledge honest question here

[4thAD]

Thanks 4thAD.  I have a question which I asked before but no one answered ive never really understood why pharm grade hcg amps are 5000 iu yet so many people recommend to take only 500 iu or so which you would need to get extra water to dilute the powder in since pharm grade amps come with 1 cc water.  If 5000 iu were too much to take in one shot why do they make them in this size?  I thought you are supposed to take 5000 iu every fifth day post cycle so if you are right that is better and cheaper but just curious not trying to doubt your knowledge honest question here

The dosages are completely different when using for PCT. Get some bactereostatic water and mix with 1ml of bacto water. On a 1ml slin pin the 1 mark will be 500iu the 2 will be 1000, the 3 mark will be 1500 etc. Usually the lml of water that comes with the HCG amps is just that sterile water. If you want to preserve the HCG and make it last up to 60 days it should be mixed with bactereostatic water.

[slacker]

I am going to wait until after the new year to start my cycle
I plan on taking 500mg of test 2 x250mg week  and 50 mg of d bol per day.  I am going to go for 12 weeks and they bridge with 100mgtest per week for 6 weeks and then back on for 10 weeks.  Does this sound decent.  Then i will follow up with PCT and hopefully I look as good as arnold did on leno the other night lol.

Im 6.3 and weeigh 260 even in the morning My bf is about 14% and Im hoping to walk away around 250 @ 10bf by june 2110.


Are my heads in the clouds or does this seem realistic.     thanks

[Luv2Hurt]

I am going to wait until after the new year to start my cycle
I plan on taking 500mg of test 2 x250mg week  and 50 mg of d bol per day.  I am going to go for 12 weeks and they bridge with 100mgtest per week for 6 weeks and then back on for 10 weeks.  Does this sound decent.  Then i will follow up with PCT and hopefully I look as good as arnold did on leno the other night lol.

Im 6.3 and weeigh 260 even in the morning My bf is about 14% and Im hoping to walk away around 250 @ 10bf by june 2110.


Are my heads in the clouds or does this seem realistic.     thanks

I think it is a pretty good plan, except when you bridge or coast use 200mg test EW, I think that will help you reach your goals better.  Diet will be the biggest factor in your getting to where you want to be and it sounds very reasonable what you are after.  Would like you to think about going to 230-235lbs and 7-8 ish % BF, the transformation will be that much more noticable and dramatic.  You will look even bigger leaner as i would expect a narrower waist with better proportions and taper.  Thinner skin and more vascularity will also be a benifit of getting below 8%

[slacker]

Thanks for all your help guys

[Overload]

Very true many forget that PCT is for returning to natural.  This can be a one year commitment if someone really wants to get back a healthy natty system. that's why PCT is pointless for the guy who really just has short breaks (less then 3 months) they might as well cruise on low dose test until ready to go back to boring, old homeostasis.

I sort of look at PCT as giving you a running start through the recovery period, hopefully keeping the time brief when natty test is low or gone until you can start making some again yourself. too much PCT especially HCG will keep you shut down so the limbo period starts when the HCG stops. At that point nolva or clomid would be the choice for a while.

I agree with just about everything you have posted in this thread about taking time off. For the most part, taking 4 weeks off is actually worse for you than staying on, unless you are having some kind of serious medical problem.

What most people fail to realize is that PCT and recovery is a very long process. Even after PCT your body is still out of whack from not only AAS, but from PCT itself. PCT is not natural and to really "fully recover" from a large cycle takes 6-8 months. When i came off a few years ago my natural test did not come back for 8 months and i did a very long and well thought out PCT protocol. For the average gear user there should be an extended time off period every year to fully recover, but one must realize that the majority of their gains will go out the window as well. anyone who is seriously cycling to compete or get really jacked is going to almost need to cruise or bridge at times, that is just the way it is unless you have the best genetics in the world.

i remember FreakfestMD said he cycled 6 months on, 6 months off and i think there is a lot of truth behind this protocol for a casual gear user who wants to maintain health to the highest degree and prevent any problems in the future, but nothing is fool proof in this game as we know.

500mg a week is not a large cycle, but before jumping into anything more serious than that, a person must first make up their mind if they are in this for good or just for a few cycles, because there is no in between. you either cycle casually and take time off equal to time on, or you blast and cruise with your fingers crossed. either way people need to understand more about AAS and how they effect the body and even PCT products disrupt natural test production in some fashion.