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California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« on: November 19, 2009, 08:47:11 AM »
California outlaws large, power-hungry TVs

Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:55PM EST

In a move that could spell the end of the plasma TV industry as we know it, the state of California agreed today to enact strict regulations on the amount of power televisions can consume, effectively outlawing most large plasma TVs as of January 1, 2011, with many more televisions set to be banned beginning January 1, 2013.

The state had been concerned that 10 percent of a home's energy use is typically devoted to the TV and its related equipment, and that percentage has been increasing as consumers gain access to larger and larger (and cheaper and cheaper) televisions, which command an ever-increasing hunger for power.

The new rules go into effect a little more than a year from now: On January 1, 2011, televisions will be required to reduce energy consumption by an average of 33 percent. In 2013, a second tier of restrictions will go into effect, with average energy consumption required to be reduced by 49 percent vs. today's levels.

Rest assured, this doesn't mean the end of the television as we know it. As the California Energy Commission notes, as of now, over 1,000 televisions already meet the 2011 standards, so many manufacturers won't have to panic in order to comply with the regulations, at least for now.

Those who will be heavily affected are manufacturers who make televisions that draw more than their fair share of juice. A formula related to the size of the TV's screen in square inches will be used to determine the maximum power draw allowed by a TV. For example, Panasonic's 54-inch VIERA plasma TV would be allowed to draw 281 watts of power in "on mode." Today that set is rated to draw 293 watts of power. Smaller plasmas are generally OK under the 2011 specs, but virtually all of them fall short when put up against the 2013 rules. That same 54-inch plasma will be required to draw only 175 watts once 2013 arrives, a power reduction that just might not be possible.

Bottom line: Most LCD televisions will be safe under the 2011 law, and many plasmas will as well, but come 2013, everyone's going to have to do some serious belt-tightening.

All told, the new rules are expected to save 6,515 Gigawatt-hours annually in the state, save the state $8.7 billion in costs for additional power plants, and save consumers $8.1 billion a year in lower energy bills.

One additional point of note: The new rules currently don't apply to very large TVs, those of 1,400 square inches or larger (roughly a 58" set), although rules are likely to be enacted against these ultra-large sets in the second phase of this legislation.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 08:49:22 AM »
Another liberal hell hole run into the ground by left wing lunatics. 

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 09:54:26 AM »
Another liberal hell hole run into the ground by left wing lunatics. 

I'm sorry but is there a right to a big screen tv in america? Is that in the constitution?
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 09:56:05 AM »
I'm sorry but is there a right to a big screen tv in america? Is that in the constitution?

Thank you clearly explaining what people have with future of marxists and liberals - MISERABLE FUCKING LIFE. 

Where is it in the constitution you get the right to tax me for your health care? 

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 10:01:14 AM »
I'm sorry but is there a right to a big screen tv in america? Is that in the constitution?

Show somewhere in the consititution that a RIGHT is REQUIRED for such things. People have a RIGHT to anything they desire so long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 10:01:40 AM »
Thank you clearly explaining what people have with future of marxists and liberals - MISERABLE FUCKING LIFE. 

Where is it in the constitution you get the right to tax me for your health care? 

Says you, not the majority of people who voted.

It doesn't but a majority of people want it so that's what they get.  The constitution does allow for a democratically elected government to enact policies that they were voted in to enact right? Like health care reform and cap and trade.  See 333 you would have to go outside the constitution to say they can not do what they were elected to do, just because YOU don't like it or YOUR FRIENDS don't like it, does not mean it is not the will of the people. And what is a democratically elected government if it is not the will of the people?  

Both cap and trade and healthcare reform were included in the platforms of both parties i will add including the one of your beloved Palin.  But lets forget that blame it on McCain and pretend she is just a dunce with a love of guns.

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 10:09:43 AM »
Says you, not the majority of people who voted.


When did the American people vote for THIS particular health care reform?

I doubt Obamacare is what most Americans had in mind.

Check out the last Rasmussen poll on this very issue.

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 10:10:53 AM »
Says you, not the majority of people who voted.

It doesn't but a majority of people want it so that's what they get.  The constitution does allow for a democratically elected government to enact policies that they were voted in to enact right? Like health care reform and cap and trade.  See 333 you would have to go outside the constitution to say they can not do what they were elected to do, just because YOU don't like it or YOUR FRIENDS don't like it, does not mean it is not the will of the people. And what is a democratically elected government if it is not the will of the people?  

Both cap and trade and healthcare reform were included in the platforms of both parties i will add including the one of your beloved Palin.  But lets forget that blame it on McCain and pretend she is just a dunce with a love of guns.



Thank God that 2010 will put an end to these marxists.   KC - you are a disgrace.  You are a communist, a statist, a lemming, an obamabot, and will support anything coming from the govt.  

Whats next?  Banning radios?  How about banning telephones?

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 10:20:19 AM »
When did the American people vote for THIS particular health care reform?

I doubt Obamacare is what most Americans had in mind.

Check out the last Rasmussen poll on this very issue.

Says who? You? Some news station poll?

Fact is people voted for reform.  This is reform and it's what the people want. 

When did the american people vote to invade iraq? They didn't the president who was elected made the call and that is that.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 10:21:53 AM »
Thank God that 2010 will put an end to these marxists.   KC - you are a disgrace.  You are a communist, a statist, a lemming, an obamabot, and will support anything coming from the govt.  

Whats next?  Banning radios?  How about banning telephones?

Sure sure 333.  Keep following Palin on twitter and salivating over her pictures meanwhile furiously smashing your keyboard with any adjective you can possibly muster to describe Obama and the majority of Americans who voted for him.  Enjoy your stay in the minority Napoleon Dynamite. 
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 10:47:28 AM »
Says who? You? Some news station poll?

Fact is people voted for reform.  This is reform and it's what the people want. 

When did the american people vote to invade iraq? They didn't the president who was elected made the call and that is that.

Really?People wanted to have a ban on plasma television sets.Can you show me where Obama or anyone ran on that or had it included in their platform.Because,for the life of me I dont recall that.

Another enviro kook crap shit that will put thousands out of work all for the sake of that fat dumbfuck Al Gore and his lying theories.

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 11:11:18 AM »
Where was the referendum on that..or any green laws that suicide states like California enact. Look at the polls on healthcare...there is no solid majority on any of it except tort reform, which is like 60%. Nobody wants this cap and trade.....except teh gorebots. U tell anybody that their light bill is going up and they will basically eat their congressman. If I want a 90 inch LCD so I can see Tom Brady in all his manly glory, then I'll pay the bill.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 12:26:27 PM »
Let's try to predict where this thread will go...



240: I can't believe their republican governor allowed this.

333386: Arnold is a RINO - republican in name only

Lurker: Funny, 33, you were cool with it when Arnold endorsed Mccain.

333386: Mccain is also a RINO lib america hater. 

240: So he makes terrible decisions.

333386:  yes, absolutely.

240: Even when it comes to VP selections?


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333386:  I noticed nobody responded to my Harvard Dean criticism of the Obama healthcare plan.  Here is a graphic which drives home what a failure the stilumus has been.






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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 12:49:10 PM »
Where was the referendum on that..or any green laws that suicide states like California enact. Look at the polls on healthcare...there is no solid majority on any of it except tort reform, which is like 60%. Nobody wants this cap and trade.....except teh gorebots. U tell anybody that their light bill is going up and they will basically eat their congressman. If I want a 90 inch LCD so I can see Tom Brady in all his manly glory, then I'll pay the bill.

60% want cap and trade.  Sorry HH6 You're in the minority on this one.  Just like with everything else you're in the minority. 
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2009, 12:52:28 PM »
really?  60% of americans want cap/trade?  interesting.  I had no clue most people are that informed about it.  Maybe its' how the Q is phrased as well.

Pollster (NBC): Do you support destorying the environment?

Pollster (FOX): Do you support destroying the economy?

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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2009, 12:55:00 PM »
really?  60% of americans want cap/trade?  interesting.  I had no clue most people are that informed about it.  Maybe its' how the Q is phrased as well.

Pollster (NBC): Do you support destorying the environment?

Pollster (FOX): Do you support destroying the economy?

Do you support having your electric rates go up by 25%, gasoline $1 a gallon, a retrofit penalty when selling your home, a national building code, etc? 

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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2009, 01:32:33 PM »
really?  60% of americans want cap/trade?  interesting.  I had no clue most people are that informed about it.  Maybe its' how the Q is phrased as well.

Pollster (NBC): Do you support destorying the environment?

Pollster (FOX): Do you support destroying the economy?

according to a cnn poll there are 60% of people in support of it.

It's a necessary thing.  It's not crippling in any way shape or form, will there be growing pains? Yes.  But it will lead to a brighter future.  Right now America does not rely on self sufficient energy.  It's beholden to middle eastern oil interests.  If you want to complain about high oil blame the policies of the last 8 years, blame the destabilization of the middle east under US direction.  Those are more crippling monetary wise than ANY cap and trade system. 
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2009, 01:45:42 PM »
Demographics on the poll there KC? Also Barry himself said bills would go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up..barry himself. I'm not paying another cent to u douchbag libs. Ohg and it won't help anything anyway. See below...thats research..not the CNN bullshit without the breakdown or how much its gonna cost people. 

Other polls that ask Americans how they feel about a proposed "cap and trade" system to control pollution have tended to produce positive responses. But those surveys never seem to mention what such a system might cost. The latest IBD/TIPP Poll laid it all out in a somewhat lengthy question and drew a very different response: By nearly 3-to-1, Americans oppose a cap-and-trade system that, if opponents are correct, could add $800 to $1,200 per household to energy prices.

This is from Investors Business Daily:
Overall: 23% support, 63% oppose, 14% not sure.
Democrats: 36% support, 47% oppose, 17% not sure.
Republicans: 9% support, 80% oppose, 11% not sure.
Independents: 21% support, 79% oppose, 12% not sure
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2009, 01:48:17 PM »
according to a cnn poll there are 60% of people in support of it.

It's a necessary thing.  It's not crippling in any way shape or form, will there be growing pains? Yes.  But it will lead to a brighter future.  Right now America does not rely on self sufficient energy.  It's beholden to middle eastern oil interests.  If you want to complain about high oil blame the policies of the last 8 years, blame the destabilization of the middle east under US direction.  Those are more crippling monetary wise than ANY cap and trade system. 


And where will get the shiny new super energy that will make us not "beholden" to foreign nations? I don't hear a peep about natural gas, oil or nuclear. I hear phasing out coal and fantasy projects like mass wind farms and solar energy. Both are nice ideas and pretty and make people smile, but are totally inadeuqute for replacing other sources of energy on a mass scale. So where will the energy come from? Even IF cap and trade worked and there was an actual decrease in energy usage...we are still a growing nation with a growing population...we will not gain enough in effiencey to stop us from needing new sources of power generation.

Where will it come from?

Also, I can actually agree on a national building code for energy efficiency. And the retro-fitting migh actually work only if homes are given enough lead time and a HUGE fucking tax credit and such to offset the costs.



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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2009, 02:15:32 PM »
And where will get the shiny new super energy that will make us not "beholden" to foreign nations? I don't hear a peep about natural gas, oil or nuclear. I hear phasing out coal and fantasy projects like mass wind farms and solar energy. Both are nice ideas and pretty and make people smile, but are totally inadeuqute for replacing other sources of energy on a mass scale. So where will the energy come from? Even IF cap and trade worked and there was an actual decrease in energy usage...we are still a growing nation with a growing population...we will not gain enough in effiencey to stop us from needing new sources of power generation.

Where will it come from?

Also, I can actually agree on a national building code for energy efficiency. And the retro-fitting migh actually work only if homes are given enough lead time and a HUGE fucking tax credit and such to offset the costs.




Nuclear and natural gas have never been taken off the table.  It's about reduction of greenhouse emissions so cleaner burning coal technology, nuclear technology and creating renewable projects are key.  But not one without the other.  No one has said no more nuclear or no more clean coal.  Wind, water, solar etc may never be the only solution.  But enacting cleaner burning fuels and less reliance on foreign oil is not a bad thing.   

Well that's the thing we don't have a sh*t load of time but i agree.  A tax credit may be something thats needed to help offset the cost right away.  I hope things like this are brought up for debate when the bill is being hammered out.

As for rising energy costs i've said it once and i'll say it again.  US involvement in middle eastern policy and war has led to higher energy destabilization than anything cap and trade will do.
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2009, 03:00:38 PM »
Oh no... Sebelius shitcanned both in her state before Barry was elected. Nobody on the left is calling for Nuke plants or Clean Coal...they want magic and hope to run our cars.
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2009, 03:33:59 PM »
It would take only 400 Nuclear power plants to run the entire country for decades, yet no one on any side is talking about that (at least that I'm aware of).

Cap and Trade is just a backdoor tax on the American people to cover the bullshit idea that we're in an energy crisis, which we are not.  Having every part of my life taxed is not something I'm very keen on nor know anyone who is either.

As far as the "ban on plasmas" goes, just buy your 60" plasma this year and be done with it, they last for at least 10-12 years now.

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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2009, 05:36:25 PM »
no 33, I dont like cap/trade.  IF obama and friends could PROVE there was some crisis coming, as well as demonstreate PROOF this plan will prevent it, I would like the idea.

So far, both sides are just yelling about how bad the other is, so I say preserve the status quo until 1 side can prove their argument.

Do I think the mid-east will eventually tell us to fvck off, and then we have a crisis?  Sure.  If the dollar tanks, you bet your ass we're in for an energy crisis.  Maybe O knows more about the future than I do. 

But from what I've seen, I'm not liknig it.

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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2009, 05:57:45 PM »
no 33, I dont like cap/trade.  IF obama and friends could PROVE there was some crisis coming, as well as demonstreate PROOF this plan will prevent it, I would like the idea.

So far, both sides are just yelling about how bad the other is, so I say preserve the status quo until 1 side can prove their argument.

Do I think the mid-east will eventually tell us to fvck off, and then we have a crisis?  Sure.  If the dollar tanks, you bet your ass we're in for an energy crisis.  Maybe O knows more about the future than I do. 

But from what I've seen, I'm not liknig it.

Than tell the idiot in the WH, to drill baby drill, go for nuclear power, more coal, etc.  240 - you seem like a nice guy, but sometimes are so fucking dense!  Raising energy prices on all of us is the freaking point 240!  Obama wants an energy crisis.  Dont you get it yet? 

What dont you get 240 - Obama wants our energy prices to skyrocket.  How many times do I have to post this damn clip?  He wants high prices!  Are you fucking blind 240?  Serious, with everything I have shown you, are you still this dense as to the agenda of this WH? 




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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2009, 06:05:06 PM »
I know prices will go up.

The critical thinker in me believes O knows more than I do about the future coming mess - maybe the saudis and chinese cut us both off at the knees on the same day :(

who knows.  I'm against it, it's that simple. I'm not fvcking blind.