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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2009, 06:08:13 PM »
240 - Obama hates us and hates this country.  Every policy of his is about punishing people.

He wants electric rates to skyrocket.  I post that clip yet people still dont get it.  Its amazing.  He is telling you that he is going to royally fuck you, and yet we still have brain dead idiots like mons, kc, blacken, still supporting this admn. 

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2009, 02:32:41 AM »
I'm sorry but is there a right to a big screen tv in america? Is that in the constitution?

ummm... kinda. life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I think Body88 would just die if he couldn't watch the superbowl on a 54 inch plasma. Thank Goodness he's in MA

Let's hope the manufacturers figure out a way to make it less of an energy glutton,
...otherwise we'll see a run on those. I wonder if they'll bring out the television police?
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2009, 02:37:57 AM »
240 - Obama hates us and hates this country.  Every policy of his is about punishing people.

He wants electric rates to skyrocket.  I post that clip yet people still dont get it.  Its amazing.  He is telling you that he is going to royally fuck you, and yet we still have brain dead idiots like mons, kc, blacken, still supporting this admn. 

pssst: Last I checked California is a state run by the Republicans, ...but please, ...don't let facts get in your way.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2009, 06:58:45 AM »
pssst: Last I checked California is a state run by the Republicans, ...but please, ...don't let facts get in your way.

Not quite.  The legislature who makes the laws is run by far left freaks. 

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2009, 07:29:48 AM »
Another liberal hell hole run into the ground by left wing lunatics. 

California is bleeding financially.

What's wrong with saving money on becoming more energy efficient?

According to this article, a whopping $8.1 billion could be saved from not having to build additional power plants.


As for "green taxes", I believe Sweden introduced a carbon tax as far back as 1991, and it didn't really had any negative impact on our lifestyles.

I am not to say whether cap and trade is a good idea.

But I definitely would say that regulations that favor environmentally friendly alternatives does not necessarily mean they're worse.

On the contrary.

The ban on conventional lamps over here have means that the development of the LED lamps have finally taken off.

Higher oil prices (and hopefully higher gas taxes globally) will lead to better and more efficient hybrid cars and system with fueling poles on every highway in a few years.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2009, 07:41:16 AM »
Hedge - respectfully, you are 100% wrong on this. 

CA is bleeding financially because it has the worst business climate in the nation due to these insane regulations and anti-business lunatics in the legislature. 

The other thing is that the govt is simply too big.  The taxes are outrageous and people fleeing this mess because it is not sustainable. 

We need cheap, reliable, usable fuel for trucks, cars, heat, etc.  The evironmentalists are destroying the economy with their fantasies. 

We need more factories and power plants, not solar panels.  We need more nukes and drilling, not oppresive anti-growth regs. 

What more evidence do you need?  CA is bleeding people and jobs and businesses are leaving.       

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2009, 08:18:54 AM »
should they have fuel regulations on cars?  Y or N?

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2009, 08:20:16 AM »
should they have fuel regulations on cars?  Y or N?


No.  Emissions are one thing, but MPG is another.  I dont have as mucha problem with the emissions as I do with the mpg stuff.     

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2009, 08:21:47 AM »
so you're okay with a car getting 1 MPG?

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2009, 09:04:05 AM »
so you're okay with a car getting 1 MPG?

I am...if that person wants to pay for that, then let them.  It is not the government's responsibility to tax us into certain habits.  If I want to drive a V-8 F-150, then I will.  The plasma TV issue is just an excuse for a legislature that can't get its act together. 

If people would just wake up(as said in countless other threads) and do the right thing, for example, buy their gas from companies that pump and manufacture gasoline and petroleum products in the U.S.A.  Sunoco(the official fuel of NASCAR), and Hess gas are two companies that are American pumped and processed.  I'm more concerned with us giving our money to 'ol Hadji in sandland then the energy costs of a damn plasma TV. 

Everybody knows that LCDs are better anyway.   ;D

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2009, 09:30:46 AM »
ummm... kinda. life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I think Body88 would just die if he couldn't watch the superbowl on a 54 inch plasma. Thank Goodness he's in MA

Let's hope the manufacturers figure out a way to make it less of an energy glutton,
...otherwise we'll see a run on those. I wonder if they'll bring out the television police?

And therefore that means plasma tv's? Life, liberty and happiness are now intermingled with televisions in your mind?
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2009, 09:46:27 AM »
KC - this is why I hate marxists. 

You want the govt to run everyones life and deprive everyone of choice.


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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2009, 09:53:31 AM »
KC - this is why I hate marxists. 

You want the govt to run everyones life and deprive everyone of choice.



Not at all.  I believe in free choice, but i can see in california desperate times call for desperate measures.

Overall though i believe in choice, freedom to choose what you want.  What i do not believe in is that everything should cost the same regardless of choice as it relates to energy.  For example if you choose a highly inefficient product you should pay more for it.  If you choose to use more power you should pay more.  It's simple.  If you don't want to pay more under cap and trade change your ways.  It's your choice.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2009, 10:04:59 AM »
Not at all.  I believe in free choice, but i can see in california desperate times call for desperate measures.

Overall though i believe in choice, freedom to choose what you want.  What i do not believe in is that everything should cost the same regardless of choice as it relates to energy.  For example if you choose a highly inefficient product you should pay more for it.  If you choose to use more power you should pay more.  It's simple.  If you don't want to pay more under cap and trade change your ways.  It's your choice.

People do pay more...that's why their power bills go up when they use a lot of power.

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2009, 10:26:56 AM »
People do pay more...that's why their power bills go up when they use a lot of power.

Exactly.  The only choice most liberals are concerned about the govt making is their right to kill a baby and marry another guy. 

Other than that, they are perfectly willing to let the govt dictate every other aspect of their lives. 

This is why liberalism is a severe mental disorder. 

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2009, 11:09:16 AM »
Exactly.  The only choice most liberals are concerned about the govt making is their right to kill a baby and marry another guy.  

Other than that, they are perfectly willing to let the govt dictate every other aspect of their lives.  

This is why liberalism is a severe mental disorder.  

You forgot smoking weed.

I just read that unemployment in CA is at 12.5%. And these folks are banning certain types of TVs?


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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2009, 11:13:44 AM »
Not at all.  I believe in free choice, but i can see in california desperate times call for desperate measures.

Overall though i believe in choice, freedom to choose what you want.  What i do not believe in is that everything should cost the same regardless of choice as it relates to energy.  For example if you choose a highly inefficient product you should pay more for it.  If you choose to use more power you should pay more.  It's simple.  If you don't want to pay more under cap and trade change your ways.  It's your choice.

I hope all of you don't have a memory so short that you have forgotten the scam (Ken Lay) pulled over CALIFORNIANS with ENRON which was caught red handed making claims about electricity shortages, allowing rolling blackouts, making ridiculous excuses to increase the utility rate throughout the state. When busted ENRON admitted to falsifying ALL of the excuses they gave for increasing the utility rates and even was caught on tape admitting to causing blackouts, embezzling money, usurping the consumers of California...SHAMEFUL..m ore capitalism nonsense. Now you are advocating charging a person MORE for electricity because they have an older fridge, microwave, toaster, hair dryer etc etc?????

So far as this TV business and supposed electric consumption.. most of those large TVs pull about 300 watts yet a hair dryer pulls between 1500 and 2000 watts!! and Electric Iron pulls between 1500 and 2200 watts, lets not even get into the heated Jacuzzis, microwave ovens (2000 watts) etc etc. Will this TV issue then turn to these household appliances and a BAN is placed on them as well?
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2009, 11:15:36 AM »
I hope all of you don't have a memory so short that you have forgotten the scam (Ken Lay) pulled over CALIFORNIANS with ENRON which was caught red handed making claims about electricity shortages, allowing rolling blackouts, making ridiculous excuses to increase the utility rate throughout the state. When busted ENRON admitted to falsifying ALL of the excuses they gave for increasing the utility rates and even was caught on tape admitting to causing blackouts, embezzling money, usurping the consumers of California...SHAMEFUL..m ore capitalism nonsense. Now you are advocating charging a person MORE for electricity because they have an older fridge, microwave, toaster, hair dryer etc etc?????

So far as this TV business and supposed electric consumption.. most of those large TVs pull about 300 watts yet a hair dryer pulls between 1500 and 2000 watts!! and Electric Iron pulls between 1500 and 2200 watts, lets not even get into the heated Jacuzzis, microwave ovens (2000 watts) etc etc. Will this TV issue then turn to these household appliances and a BAN is placed on them as well?

Good post Samson.    Samson - did you know Ken Lay and Al Gore came up with the carbon trading scheme that is the centerpiece of the cap & trade scheme Obama is pushing? 

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2009, 01:54:58 PM »
Good post Samson.    Samson - did you know Ken Lay and Al Gore came up with the carbon trading scheme that is the centerpiece of the cap & trade scheme Obama is pushing? 

I didn't know that Ken Lay was involved..but I can't say that I am shocked over it. At some point everyone's excessive greed causes their nature to change for the WORST. I always wonder at what point does a person say..."I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY". Most of these men that are padding their pockets and accounts with UNGODLY sums of money are well into their 70s and even 80s...Exactly what are they going to do with this money? Their days on earth are so short that literally tomorrow could be the end of the line for them. Now what will all of the greed, and gathering of money will have been for? Sadly their children, whom have never known a real day of work or want (an example being Paris Hilton), will burn through that money in no time at all, having no real value of it.

I don't know america..many complain of whatever the administration that exist at any one time, but the real CHANGE has to start with the people in order to bring about change... instead of waiting on the next CLOWNASS to say he is all about CHANGE you have to change the mind of the masses so that whatever president you have and whatever corporations, businesses etc are in existence are run by people with a conscious who are concerned about the masses before they are concerned about their POCKETS/ACCOUNTS.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2009, 02:00:24 PM »
Like Celente says - they are money junkies. 

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2009, 06:22:45 PM »
pssst: Last I checked California is a state run by the Republicans, ...but please, ...don't let facts get in your way.

Ya. Do what Jag does....just make stuff up.

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2009, 07:45:24 PM »
Jesus,

This legislation is awful and dumb on so many levels. That being said, this is a non-starter because the TV industry is not going to be producing PLASMA TV's in a few years or less. Plasma TV's lost the war in the marketplace  and they will be obsolete in short order.

And Hedge...come on, it is cute and happy and rainbows to throw out the 8 billion dollar number in relation to not having to build no plants. But guess what, banning the sale of a type of TV which isn't bought by really anyone anymore and has been replaced by LCD/LED TV's which are incredibly more efficient, isn't going to help prove your point.

Either way, California's pop. is growing and the need for new sources of energy, banning the sale of Plasma's and other things isn't going to accomplish stopping the need for energy. I surly get your point and agree with being more efficient, but this is dumb.

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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2009, 02:19:17 AM »

No.  Emissions are one thing, but MPG is another.  I dont have as mucha problem with the emissions as I do with the mpg stuff.     

333386,

They are one and the same... inextricably intertwined. When you reduce the emissions, the result is more mpg.

Emissions are nothing more than unburned hydrocarbons. By increasing the efficiency of the engine, and altering the in-cylinder rate and shape of the burn, eg: causing more of the fuel to be burned inside the combustion chamber, during the first 30 degrees of the downward stroke of the pistons, you not only prevent the formation of NOx emissions, but provide more power to the engine, by completely burning every drop of fuel, and you're burning it in the most effective place... inside the upper part of the combustion chamber rather than out the exhaust.

This results in both reduced emissions, reduced fuel consumption, and more miles per gallon (mpg). A $1400 weekly fuel cost savings on a dedicated run is all the proof some people need to know that they are getting more mpg... that or a fllabberghasted California Air Board inspector unable to figure out why a 1991 FLD 120 freightliner with a 3406 mechanical B400 caterpillar motor with 2.6 million miles was blowing cleaner than brand new 2008 emission standards truck with less than 60K miles, and was infact meeting year 2012 emission target standards in 2007.

When a truck with 23 yrs experience behind the wheel finds himself with the ability to idle his truck for a weekend after being pulled over by the DOT in Kansas for a broken truck arm on his trailer, and not being able to leave until it's fixed... while he has a load of Alaska King Crab that has to be kept at a constant -10 degrees, and he only has enough fuel in his reefer unit to last til 8am, ...and he finds himself being held up and only released at 4pm, ...and despite the fact that he SHOULD HAVE run out of fuel 8 hours ago, yet he found he still had a quarter tank of fuel left... you know consumption has been reduced. That fuel savings could turn into an even greater savings when you factor the $5,000.oo insurance deductible he otherwise would have had to pay for a lost freight claim had he run out of fuel in the reefer and his load of Alaskan King Crabs spoiled.

When you only have enough fuel to last til you get to Dalton Georgia... but you manage to make it to Greenville SC, you know you're reducing consumption.

When you used to haul beef from Amarillo TX to Calif, then return to Amarillo with frozen vegetables... and you used to have to refill either just before, or just after leaving Cali in order to make the return trip to Amarillo, ...and suddenly find yourself able to go from Amarillo TX to Cali and back again ON THE SAME TANK OF FUEL... you know you are reducing your fuel consumption.

The bottom line is:

Reduced fuel consumption = more mpg  reduced emissions = more mpg More mpg = Reduced fuel costs.

Which reminds me...not sure if it was George Whorewell or not, but one of you was gonna keep your eyes peeled for a Caterpillar 2010 class 8 motor. I've been looking, but I haven't seemed to be able to find one. Have you?  ;)  :P
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2009, 02:22:11 AM »
And therefore that means plasma tv's? Life, liberty and happiness are now intermingled with televisions in your mind?

Just trying to bring a little levity.
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Re: California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2009, 03:33:37 AM »
Jag: I'm fully aware of the breadth and width of the issues that brought us here, I was just harping on one of the aspects of it, not laying the entire weight of the situation on one segment.

We're all in for some very interesting times ahead, both rich or poor, the future is full of more uncertainty than many have seen in their lifetimes.