California Bans Sale Of Large Plasma TVs

[pedro01]

There is a limited amount of energy on the planet in the current forms that we use. Lots of people seem keen on Nuclear power but no-one seems to want one in their backyard.

And now, a bunch of fat-ass Americans get bent out of shape because they can't suck up energy that our Grandkids might need, just sitting on their asses and watching a 60 inch TV ?

Marxism ? Because you can't suck the life out of the planet with an energy guzzling TV ? Guess what - TV Technology needs to improve. Or perhaps you forgot about the blackouts already ?

Honestly - the way some people think they have the God-given right to consume everything in sight truly sickens me. A lack of willpower is certainly involved.

[Soul Crusher]

THE ISSUE IS NOT TV'S.

The issue is that you have the govt again dictating asnd regulating your choices based upon its own failures.  I simply cant fathom the mind of a person who screams up and down about being for the choice of gay marriage and killing as baby, but having no problem with the govt dictating every other choice in their life. 

Additionsally, what if the govt sasys, "we were wrong, we have to ban tvs over 32" since our estimates were off" ? ?

It seems to me that the the govt is going after everything people enjoy and trying to regulate it away.  Televisions have gone up in queality and gone down in price as years have gone on.  The govt hates success and hates the fact that private companies can deliver a product people want and are willing to pay for without its own hand in the till.

The issue of energy is one solely at the foot of the green movement.  They block all new power plants, all new factories, etc.

We need more energy.  Conserving energy is not going to do shit when you have a growing population.  Additionally, if you want to grow the economy, you need more energy to fuel factories, trucks, workers, etc.

Do you thiink its a coincidence that the dumbest ideas like this come from a state that is ranked 49th for its business climate?  These punitive ideas are job killers and leading CA to collapse. 

We need more tv's not less, more factories and power plants not less.  It would be even better if we could make those 60"  tvs right here in this country and get people back to work. 

We need to produce what we consume if we are to have any type of improvement in this country.  Selectively banning certain consumer goods the govt feels waste energy is a joke considering how muchg money and energy it itself wastes.       

[24KT]

 

I didn't know that Ken Lay was involved..but I can't say that I am shocked over it. At some point everyone's excessive greed causes their nature to change for the WORST. I always wonder at what point does a person say..."I HAVE ENOUGH MONEY". Most of these men that are padding their pockets and accounts with UNGODLY sums of money are well into their 70s and even 80s...Exactly what are they going to do with this money? Their days on earth are so short that literally tomorrow could be the end of the line for them. Now what will all of the greed, and gathering of money will have been for? Sadly their children, whom have never known a real day of work or want (an example being Paris Hilton), will burn through that money in no time at all, having no real value of it.

I don't know america..many complain of whatever the administration that exist at any one time, but the real CHANGE has to start with the people in order to bring about change... instead of waiting on the next CLOWNASS to say he is all about CHANGE you have to change the mind of the masses so that whatever president you have and whatever corporations, businesses etc are in existence are run by people with a conscious who are concerned about the masses before they are concerned about their POCKETS/ACCOUNTS.

BRAVO!!![

ps: I know she's considered the poster child for vapid heiresses, but the truth is... she's not inheriting a thing.
She learned long ago, she's out of the will. She has created her own little empire, and she's not as dumb as she appears. She took her lemons and made lemonade.

[24KT]

Jag: I'm fully aware of the breadth and width of the issues that brought us here, I was just harping on one of the aspects of it, not laying the entire weight of the situation on one segment.

We're all in for some very interesting times ahead, both rich or poor, the future is full of more uncertainty than many have seen in their lifetimes.

I think many of the rich are finally beginning to develop  real appreciation for the non-rich.

We've always had an old saying in my industry:

If you want to dine with the classes, ...you had better be catering to the masses.

I think alot of the rich are finally figuring out that if it's bad for main street, inevitably, it's bad for wall street too.

[pedro01]

THE ISSUE IS NOT TV'S.

The issue is that you have the govt again dictating asnd regulating your choices based upon its own failures.  I simply cant fathom the mind of a person who screams up and down about being for the choice of gay marriage and killing as baby, but having no problem with the govt dictating every other choice in their life. 

Additionsally, what if the govt sasys, "we were wrong, we have to ban tvs over 32" since our estimates were off" ? ?

It seems to me that the the govt is going after everything people enjoy and trying to regulate it away.  Televisions have gone up in queality and gone down in price as years have gone on.  The govt hates success and hates the fact that private companies can deliver a product people want and are willing to pay for without its own hand in the till.

The issue of energy is one solely at the foot of the green movement.  They block all new power plants, all new factories, etc.

We need more energy.  Conserving energy is not going to do shit when you have a growing population.  Additionally, if you want to grow the economy, you need more energy to fuel factories, trucks, workers, etc.

Do you thiink its a coincidence that the dumbest ideas like this come from a state that is ranked 49th for its business climate?  These punitive ideas are job killers and leading CA to collapse. 

We need more tv's not less, more factories and power plants not less.  It would be even better if we could make those 60"  tvs right here in this country and get people back to work. 

We need to produce what we consume if we are to have any type of improvement in this country.  Selectively banning certain consumer goods the govt feels waste energy is a joke considering how muchg money and energy it itself wastes.       

Which 'private companies' is it in the US that are making those TVs ? I think you'll find flat panels mostly come from Korea. Are you saying that the US government is suffering from some sort of Kimchi envy ?

Whatever you think, you do not have the right to consume away future generations energy supply when there isn't yet a clear alternative. Forget the green issues - just consider that future generations shouldn't have to live by candlelight.

All that needs to happen here is for the manufacturers to get smarter about lowering energy costs. Guess what - if some smart US company comes up with a way to reduce energy costs more than their Asian counterparts, then this will put them way ahead of the market. Of course, that won't happen because they are sitting on their fat asses eating twinkies and watching the shite that passes for Television in the states. A direct result, of course, of the pitiful education system that now exists in the US.

[Soul Crusher]

The reality is that nuclear power is cheap, clean, reliable and doable right now.  We power our aircraft carriers and subs with nuc power, Europe uses it effectively and the only ones prohibiting it here are the fanatical tree huggers who want to stop all progress on all fronts.

The other reality is that there simply is no alternative form of energy now, or in the near future, that can replace nukes, fossils, or other traditional fuel.  We have plenty of natural gas, coal, already to meet our needs. 

The fantasies of solar and wind pannels powering skyscrapers, trains, etc is just ridiculous.  Its far more expensive, not as reliable, and nowhere near as cost effecrtive.  Of course we should look for alternatives, but they simply dont exist. 

We need to reindustrialize and get our head out of our asses soon.  Otherwise, we are really heading to a horrible place on the jobs front.     

[24KT]

Which 'private companies' is it in the US that are making those TVs ? I think you'll find flat panels mostly come from Korea. Are you saying that the US government is suffering from some sort of Kimchi envy ?

Whatever you think, you do not have the right to consume away future generations energy supply when there isn't yet a clear alternative. Forget the green issues - just consider that future generations shouldn't have to live by candlelight.

All that needs to happen here is for the manufacturers to get smarter about lowering energy costs. Guess what - if some smart US company comes up with a way to reduce energy costs more than their Asian counterparts, then this will put them way ahead of the market. Of course, that won't happen because they are sitting on their fat asses eating twinkies and watching the shite that passes for Television in the states. A direct result, of course, of the pitiful education system that now exists in the US.

Speaking of twinkies... if a company came up with a twinkie-like sponge cake with a creamy protein filling, that had zero sugar, and zero carbs, ...and taste better than a hostess twinkie as voted by 70% of taste testers, ...would that be something of interest to you? I sure hope so... cause in addition to a healthy great tasting snack... you'll feed a starving child for a week simply by purchasing one. Watch for them soon in GNC, WalMart, WalGreens, and at a vending machine near you. 

[24KT]

The reality is that nuclear power is cheap, clean, reliable and doable right now.  We power our aircraft carriers and subs with nuc power, Europe uses it effectively and the only ones prohibiting it here are the fanatical tree huggers who want to stop all progress on all fronts.

The other reality is that there simply is no alternative form of energy now, or in the near future, that can replace nukes, fossils, or other traditional fuel.  We have plenty of natural gas, coal, already to meet our needs.  

The fantasies of solar and wind pannels powering skyscrapers, trains, etc is just ridiculous.  Its far more expensive, not as reliable, and nowhere near as cost effecrtive.  Of course we should look for alternatives, but they simply dont exist.  
We need to reindustrialize and get our head out of our asses soon.  Otherwise, we are really heading to a horrible place on the jobs front.    

That seems a little off to me.     If they don't exist, ...why should we look for them?

there are plenty of alternatives, ...but big money interests have been manipulating leaders, politicians and the public to maintain the status quo. They've been doing it for years too. Look at DuPont's influence to have hemp outlawed even though it was a more suitable and sustainable crop than the cotton they grew. Look at when GM convinced them to scrap the Red rocket public transit system in S. Cali in order to force consumers to buy more GM cars years ago. Look at GM's stupid decision to destroy all those electric cars. To my understanding, alternatives do exist. It's simply the will to utilize them that's lacking. I don't deny that drastic shifts in the way we generate energy will cause massive shifts. PC's made typewriters pretty much obsolete, ...but large amounts of displaced workers can be trasnferred to new emerging technologies.... creating all new markets and all sorts of new employment opportunities for those who want a JOB. 20 yrs ago who ever heard of an IT professional. Did philips rally against the implementation of PC's. infact the head of IBM said a personal computer was unecessary... that perhaps only the President of GM might have any need for a personal computer, ...but look at all the spin off industries that new technology spurred on. things like virus protection, not to mention all the peripherals didn't even exist just a few short years ago. This part of the world needs to move forward before we find ourselves taking a back seat to power houses emerging in Asia & Europe. Your scenario would relegate the American workforce to manual labourers while the Euros, Chinese & Indians develop all the technology we'll be using in the future. If you think North American fuel efficient compacts are too small now... wait til the Chinese start making them. they'll design them to fit average Chinese proportions. The average American wouldn't be able to fit their right thigh through the door.  

[Soul Crusher]

That seems a little off to me.     If they don't exist, ...why should we look for them?
there are plenty of alternatives, ...but big money interests having manipulating leaders, politicians and the public to maintain the status quo. Look at GM's stupid decision to destroy all those electric cars. To my understanding, alternatives do exist. it is the will to utilize them that is lacking. I don't deny that drastic shifts in the way we generate energy will cause massive shifts. PC's made typewriters pretty much obsolete, ...but large amounts of displaced workers can be trasnferred to new emerging technologies.... creating all new markets and all sorts of new employment opportunities for those who want a JOB. 20 yrs ago who ever heard of an IT professional. Did philips rally against the implementation of PC's. infact the head of IBM said a personal computer was unecessary... that perhaps only the President of GM might have any need for a personal computer, ...but look at all the spin off industries that new technology spurred on. things like virus protection, not to mention all the peripherals didn't even exist just a few short years ago. This part of the world needs to move forward before we find ourselves taking a back seat to power houses emerging in Asia & Europe. Your scenario would relegate the American workforce to manual labourers while the Euros, Chinese & Indians develop all the technology we'll be using in the future. If you think North American fuel efficient compacts are too small now... wait til the Chinese start making them. they'll design them to fit average Chinese proportions. The average American wouldn't be able to fit their right thigh through the door. 

More CT nonsense. 

If the tech existed we would have it.  Im so sick of all these nosense CT's being used to try to explain anything and everything on these issues. 

Hoping for a tech to come about is not the same as doing what we need now to produce jobs, fuel our economy, and keep things going. 

If the tech existed, dont you think some Bill Gates type person would jet out and do it like he did?     

As far as moving workers like you said that is nonsense, our education system,. which has been transformed into a politically correct indo program, does not produce people capable of those tasks you say. 

The only reason Asia is moving ahead is because they see the importance of focusing on production and mfg.  We are focused on govt, wall street bailouts, nonsense "green" bs, and other fantasies that never materialize.   

[24KT]

More CT nonsense. 

If the tech existed we would have it.  Im so sick of all these nosense CT's being used to try to explain anything and everything on these issues. 

Hoping for a tech to come about is not the same as doing what we need now to produce jobs, fuel our economy, and keep things going. 

If the tech existed, dont you think some Bill Gates type person would jet out and do it like he did?     

As far as moving workers like you said that is nonsense, our education system,. which has been transformed into a politically correct indo program, does not produce people capable of those tasks you say. 

The only reason Asia is moving ahead is because they see the importance of focusing on production and mfg.  We are focused on govt, wall street bailouts, nonsense "green" bs, and other fantasies that never materialize.   

So in your estimation GM didn't produce an electric car... then kill them?

Just think, a company spends all that money developing and producing something, then decides they don't want to put it on the market, so they decide to put a wrecking ball to them rather than simply give them away to the needy. What's that all about?

[Soul Crusher]

The electric car is a joke and uses more net energy than the combustible engine. 

[OzmO]

The reality is that nuclear power is cheap, clean, reliable and doable right now.  We power our aircraft carriers and subs with nuc power, Europe uses it effectively and the only ones prohibiting it here are the fanatical tree huggers who want to stop all progress on all fronts.

The other reality is that there simply is no alternative form of energy now, or in the near future, that can replace nukes, fossils, or other traditional fuel.  We have plenty of natural gas, coal, already to meet our needs. 

The fantasies of solar and wind pannels powering skyscrapers, trains, etc is just ridiculous.  Its far more expensive, not as reliable, and nowhere near as cost effecrtive.  Of course we should look for alternatives, but they simply dont exist. 

We need to reindustrialize and get our head out of our asses soon.  Otherwise, we are really heading to a horrible place on the jobs front.     

Yeah we dropped the ball on nuclear energy and as a result are 20 years behind europe.

[pedro01]

The reality is that nuclear power is cheap, clean, reliable and doable right now.  We power our aircraft carriers and subs with nuc power, Europe uses it effectively and the only ones prohibiting it here are the fanatical tree huggers who want to stop all progress on all fronts.

Would you be totally happy if a nuclear power plant were to be built within a mile of your house ?

I think this is one of the issues with nuclear power. Most (like me) don't know enough about the 'complete safety' of them and so err on the side of caution. This makes actually building them anywhere near where people live a bit of an issue.

[Soul Crusher]

Would you be totally happy if a nuclear power plant were to be built within a mile of your house ?

I think this is one of the issues with nuclear power. Most (like me) don't know enough about the 'complete safety' of them and so err on the side of caution. This makes actually building them anywhere near where people live a bit of an issue.

Pedro - go on google earth and scan the landsscape.  There are plenty of places we can put far out of the way of any large population centers. 

[pedro01]

Pedro - go on google earth and scan the landsscape.  There are plenty of places we can put far out of the way of any large population centers.  

OK - then all we need now is a relative of Osama Bin-Laden to volunteer to fund and run them !

But basically, the answer to the question I asked you is "No, you wouldn't want to live within a mile of one"

Why not, if completely safe ?

[Soul Crusher]

OK - then all we need now is a relative of Osama Bin-Laden to volunteer to fund and run them !

But basically, the answer to the question I asked you is "No, you wouldn't want to live within a mile of one"

Why not, if completely safe ?

Wait a minute - thousands of people live within a few hundred feet of them on submarines and nuclear based aircraft carriers. 

[pedro01]

Wait a minute - thousands of people live within a few hundred feet of them on submarines and nuclear based aircraft carriers. 

Still - you dodge the question - would you personally be happy with living within a mile of a shiny new nuclear power plant ?

[OzmO]

I would think zoning laws wouldn't allow that.

So it's a moot question.

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Zoning laws did nothing to safeguard the residents living near 3 mile island. They didn't help those who lived near Chernobyl, ...and zoning laws had virtually no effect on the residents of other countries affected by the fallout from Chernobyl. I lived in Southern Cali at the time and I remember how air radiation levels went straight up. We have the right to do what we want to do as long as we cause no harm to others, ...however, we ALL breathe the same air, and the butterfly effect while it may be long in coming, it does eventually arrive.

[pedro01]

Speaking of twinkies... if a company came up with a twinkie-like sponge cake with a creamy protein filling, that had zero sugar, and zero carbs, ...and taste better than a hostess twinkie as voted by 70% of taste testers, ...would that be something of interest to you? I sure hope so... cause in addition to a healthy great tasting snack... you'll feed a starving child for a week simply by purchasing one. Watch for them soon in GNC, WalMart, WalGreens, and at a vending machine near you. 

Not even remotely interested.

I'd rather eat an apple to be honest. What you describe sounds about as far from real food as the stuff I eat.

And as for 'Vending machines' - why the fuck would anyone eat out of one of those ?

[pedro01]

I would think zoning laws wouldn't allow that.

So it's a moot question.

No - it's just an avoided question.

I still maintain that none of the pro-nuclear crowd want one in their back yard.

Me - I simply know about as much as nuclear power as anyone else - not much - and so would not want to live near one 'just in case'.

[Soul Crusher]

No - it's just an avoided question.

I still maintain that none of the pro-nuclear crowd want one in their back yard.

Me - I simply know about as much as nuclear power as anyone else - not much - and so would not want to live near one 'just in case'.

I wouldnt have a problem with a nuke plant.  I live not too far from Indian Point as it is.  To my personal self, the gang bangers, drunks, illegals driving cars, and bad bus drivers are a more immediate and likely danger to me. 

[OzmO]

Zoning laws did nothing to safeguard the residents living near 3 mile island. They didn't help those who lived near Chernobyl, ...and zoning laws had virtually no effect on the residents of other countries affected by the fallout from Chernobyl. I lived in Southern Cali at the time and I remember how air radiation levels went straight up. We have the right to do what we want to do as long as we cause no harm to others, ...however, we ALL breathe the same air, and the butterfly effect while it may be long in coming, it does eventually arrive.

Of course not.  And how long ago did that happen?   And weren't we not in the beginning stages of learning about nuclear fuel?

Should we have shut down Airline travel the first time a jumbo jet crashed?

Nuclear energy safety have advance greatly since 3-mile island.

[MRDUMPLING]

Solar power is the future.  If battery technology would improve then solar could be a viable option.

Hugo had some interesting ideas for power a long time ago. I actually think that nuclear is shortsighted...there is limitless energy out there, we just need people smart enought to harvest and channel it for its use.

[24KT]

Not even remotely interested.

I'd rather eat an apple to be honest. What you describe sounds about as far from real food as the stuff I eat.

And as for 'Vending machines' - why the fuck would anyone eat out of one of those ?

Sorry Pedro, ...I forgot you're not American.
You might find the typical average American's diet somewhat surprising.