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Hackers broke into the servers at a prominent British climate research center and leaked years worth of e-mail messages onto the Web, including one with a mysterious reference to a plan to "hide the decline" in data about temperatures.

The Internet is abuzz about the leaked data from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (commonly called Hadley CRU), which has acknowledged the leak of 61MB of confidential data.

Climate change skeptics describe the leaked data as a "smoking gun," evidence of collusion among climatologists and manipulation of data to support the widely held view that climate change is caused by the actions of mankind. The files were reportedly released on a Russian file-serve by an anonymous poster calling himself "FOIA."

In an exclusive interview in Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition, Phil Jones, the head of the Hadley CRU, confirmed that the leaked data is real.

"It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago," he told the magazine, noting that the center has yet to contact the police about the data breach.

TGIF Edition asked Jones about the controversial "hide the decline" comment from an e-mail he wrote in 1999. He told the magazine that there was no intention to mislead, but he had "no idea" what he meant by those words.

"That was an e-mail from ten years ago. Can you remember the exact context of what you wrote ten years ago?" he said.

The Telegraph has posted some of the more scathing excerpts from these emails, which the newspaper suggests points to manipulation of evidence and private doubts about the reality of global warming, though the much of the scientific language in the e-mails is esoteric and hard to interpret.

Others suggest the comments are simply "scientists talking about science." In an interview with Wired, Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, points out that "if you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists."


Still, one notable e-mail from the hacked files clearly describes how to squeeze dissenting scientists from the peer review process:

"I think we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?"





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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 12:45:24 PM »
Smoking gun? I think not. 
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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2009, 12:53:46 PM »
Smoking gun? I think not. 


The title of the article aside, what is your opinion on scientists trying to suppress data to the contrary and squeeze out opposing scientists?

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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2009, 12:54:42 PM »
Smoking gun? I think not. 

Man made global warming is a complete lie.

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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2009, 01:05:21 PM »

The title of the article aside, what is your opinion on scientists trying to suppress data to the contrary and squeeze out opposing scientists?

It's detrimental to science but lets see this for what it is.  This is not the only group of climate scientists, far from it.  Opposition views will always be heard because science can not move forward without differing views and opinions and subsequent studies to prove and disprove. 

I don't think of this as being much or anything.  There is little proof outside of internal e-mails that this actually occurred and may well be taken out of context i don't know. 

Of course this will have 333 and such saying man has nothing to do with the environment so pollute away but really the guy is a John Grisham character wannabe.   
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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 01:16:54 PM »
Al Gore is thinking right now, "I gotta dump that carbon credit stock before it tanks like AIG..."
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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2009, 01:17:50 PM »
It's detrimental to science but lets see this for what it is.  This is not the only group of climate scientists, far from it.  Opposition views will always be heard because science can not move forward without differing views and opinions and subsequent studies to prove and disprove. 

I don't think of this as being much or anything.  There is little proof outside of internal e-mails that this actually occurred and may well be taken out of context i don't know. 

Of course this will have 333 and such saying man has nothing to do with the environment so pollute away but really the guy is a John Grisham character wannabe.   

Whatever you little stalinist.  I never said we should pollute everything.  That is a red herring you throw out.

People need food and shelter first.  The eskimos come third.  

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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 01:54:06 PM »
Whatever you little stalinist.  I never said we should pollute everything.  That is a red herring you throw out.

People need food and shelter first.  The eskimos come third.  

Of which they have plenty of both.  So i guess it's time for the eskimos huh?  ;D
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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2009, 01:55:42 PM »
Of which they have plenty of both.  So i guess it's time for the eskimos huh?  ;D

In case you havent read the news, more are hungry than ever, foreclosures are increasing, and the earth is cooling not warming. 

You would have made a perfect commisar in Russia. 

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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2009, 01:58:09 PM »
In case you havent read the news, more are hungry than ever, foreclosures are increasing, and the earth is cooling not warming. 

You would have made a perfect commisar in Russia. 

Well around 50% of American food is thrown away so maybe it has something to do with corporate greed.  There is more than enough food for people.  No one should go hungry unless they are stupid.
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Re: Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2009, 02:00:26 PM »
In case you needed the facts about the food comment -

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/09/what-a-waste/

It's a very interesting read.
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