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Adding insult to infamy
26 years after attack on Marine barracks in Beirut, families stymied again in bid for restitution
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff  |  November 14, 2009


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On Veterans Day, Christine Devlin stood in the cold in Westwood for the unveiling of a new memorial to local soldiers lost overseas, including her son Michael, one of the 241 servicemen killed in the bombing of the US Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983.

Devlin is among 30 Massachusetts relatives of victims of the Beirut attack who have been fighting for more than a decade to get compensation for what many consider the first major terrorist attack against the United States. After a federal judge ruled in 2007 that Iran was liable for $2.65 billion in damages to be shared by 150 families seeking restitution, they believed they were on the cusp of victory.

But now, the Obama administration is going to court to try to block payments from Iranian assets that the families’ lawyers want seized, contending that it would jeopardize sensitive negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program and establish a potentially damaging precedent.

In a little-noticed filing in federal court, the Justice Department is arguing that giving the money to the victims “can have significant, detrimental impact on our foreign relations, as well as the reciprocal treatment of the United States and its extensive overseas property holdings.’’

The Obama administration’s position is a blow to those like Devlin, who is still waiting for some measure of justice for her son, who was 21 when Hezbollah terrorists rammed a suicide truck bomb into the peacekeepers’ headquarters.

“It is offensive that our government - the government that [the Marines] were fighting for, who sent them there - are against us collecting from Iran,’’ Devlin said in an interview this week. “I felt justice was going to be served, but so far it hasn’t.’’

“We can’t go on with our lives,’’ said Marlys Lemnah, 62, of St. Albans, Vt., whose husband, Richard, a Marine sergeant nearing his 20-year retirement, was killed in Beirut. “It’s not about the money. We need something tangible: responsibility and accountability. We will fight until we have no more fight left.’’

The lawsuit, specialists say, also demonstrates the enormous difficulty for terrorism victims in general to collect damages. Despite a host of court rulings in its favor and legislation passed by Congress to make it possible to sue foreign governments that sponsor terrorism, the executive branch has long resisted such payments, arguing that seizing the assets of another country could restrict the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy. There are also significant legal disagreements over what kind of assets can be seized.

“Two branches are supporting [the families’] position and the executive branch is directly trying to undermine them,’’ said David J. Strachman, a Providence lawyer who has represented numerous families in terrorism cases involving Iran, but is not involved in this case.

Even the courts have grown frustrated. Royce C. Lamberth, chief judge of the US District Court in Washington who ruled in favor of the Beirut families, wrote in a Sept. 30 opinion that “these case have consumed substantial judicial resources while achieving few tangible results for the victims.’’

Over the years, Iran, which since 1984 has been designated a state sponsor of terrorism by the US government, has been found liable for nearly $10 billion in damages for attacks on Americans attributed to the Lebanese Hezbollah and Palestinian terror groups including Hamas and Islamic Jihad that the United States says are financed and trained by Iran.

But in only a few cases have any Iranian funds been seized as compensation for the victims or their families - most notably from Iranian funds held by the US government before the two countries severed diplomatic relations in 1979.

Lawyers representing the Beirut families first went to court seeking damages in 2001, after Congress passed a law giving US courts jurisdiction over such lawsuits against nations that sponsor international terrorism.

Building the case took four years of depositions from victims’ relatives, US government officials, and even a former Hezbollah member, amounting to 30,000 pages of testimony, according to Thomas F. Fay, one of the lawyers representing the families.

The families’ first victory came in 2003 when the US District Court in Washington found that Iran’s Ministry of Information and Security helped plan and facilitate the Oct. 23, 1983, attack. Then, two years ago, the same court ruled the Iranian government was liable for the $2.65 billion in damages.

The families’ legal advisers and the Obama administration - like the Bush administration before it - disagree on how many Iranian assets could be legally seized in the case.

The Treasury Department estimates there is only $45 million in seizable Iranian assets in the United States and has argued in court that some of the property that the families’ lawyers have sought is outside the United States and cannot be legally seized.

“The total amount of judgments against terrorist states for exceeds the assets of debtor states known to exist within the jurisdiction of US courts,’’ an analysis published by the Congressional Research Service, which advises lawmakers, concluded last year.

But Fay maintains that he has identified as much as $2 billion worth of seizable Iranian assets, including securities held in a vault in New York that he said a senior US official has testified under oath is owned by Iran. Another source of funds he previously identified is an office tower in Manhattan, estimated to be worth $1 billion, that was among properties seized Thursday by federal prosecutors who assert they are owned by a foundation that is a front for the Iranian government.

“It is clear from the seizures of Iranian assets in New York and elsewhere that the government of Iran does indeed have significant tangible financial holdings in the United States,’’ Fay said yesterday.

Still, a deeper disagreement revolves around the possible consequences of seizing the assets of a foreign state and handing them over to victims of terrorism.

Fay and other lawyers who have represented terrorism victims assert that doing so would strengthen the government’s leverage with nations like Iran because there would be a clear price to pay for supporting terrorism.

The Justice Department declined to comment further on the administration’s position, but as the congressional analysis stated, “The issue has pitted the compensation of victims of terrorism against US foreign policy goals and some business interests.’’

Bryan Bender can be reached at bender@globe.com 

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I swear, Obama is getting worse by the day.  This is ridiculous. 

IS THIS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR????
 



 
 

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Yeah, Barry wouldn't want to offend the Iranians.  It's better to fuck Americans over in his quest to acquiesce to all world leaders.

....must....get....2nd....Nobel....

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You guys know this issue has gone through a few presidents now doing the same thing.

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You guys know this issue has gone through a few presidents now doing the same thing.

I dont remember bush goiing to court to block the families.  If he did I would like to know.

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You guys know this issue has gone through a few presidents now doing the same thing.


I've got no love for the Bush administration either.  And if Clinton did the same thing, then fuck all 'em.

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I've got no love for the Bush administration either.  And if Clinton did the same thing, then fuck all 'em.

I just sent this story to Drudge.  This makes it sound like the payments to the familes are on the table as far as Iran goes.  Unreal. 

How about Obama do the right thing for once and make this a condition of any settlement thqat these families get paid?

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How about Obama do the right thing for once and make this a condition of any settlement thqat these families get paid?

Um...yeah...

I'm not going to hold my breath on that, but maybe we could convince somebody else to hold his?   ;)

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Notice how Blacken will post a million threads about Palin but never once respond to actual stuff like this? 

Its amazing how much these liberal "men" fear this woman.

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I dont remember bush goiing to court to block the families.  If he did I would like to know.
I'll check later but I'm pretty sure the same thing happened and I think it happened with Clinton too.  I'll check into it to make sure I'm not full of shit.

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I'll check later but I'm pretty sure the same thing happened and I think it happened with Clinton too.  I'll check into it to make sure I'm not full of shit.

If he did, that is another stain on his legacy. 

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Not voicing an opinion either way, ...simply looking to put this into perspective.

If these families have been fighting for 26 yrs, ...then it's clear this issue has gone through a number of administrations from Bush 43, Clinton, Bush 41, even Reagan. At least 3 Republican admins and as it apppears now, 2 Democratic admins, are all on the same page with this issue. Why is that? What has caused this rare occurence of seemingly bi-partisan co-operation to prevent such a precedent?

I think the answer may be quite clear.

"...the Justice Department is arguing that giving the money to the victims “can have significant, detrimental impact on our foreign relations, as well as the reciprocal treatment of the United States and its extensive overseas property holdings.’’


Think about it... Is it possible that the Justice Department is saying that to set this precedent may be harmful to Americas national interest? By seizing & disbursing Iranian assets as the sponsors of terrorism to victims of terrorism, would the USA not then be setting a precedent that courts in other jurisdiction could then copy? We know the CIA's hands are not clean. How many victims of American financed & sponsored terrorism can be found? What about the Cuban school children who died as a result of ingesting powdered cement when the CIA willfully & purposely switch powdered milk destined for children with cement? Would they as the victims of American sponsored terrorism not have cause to take American assets? What about the Nicaraguans? Venezuelans might put forth a bid for compensation as a result of that nasty little failed coup attempt to remove Chavez, ...and last but certainly not least, ...what about Iraq? Countless hundreds of thousands of families affected by what we all know was an illegal aggressive, ...some may argue, terrorist invasion of their country. Then too, are the countless Americans at home who have been traumatized or worse by false flag terrorist attacks, ...do they start making claims too? Which American assets would you like to see seized? How about the entire state of florida? The world courts could say that should be granted to Castro as compensation. Then there are American assets overseas. With the previous Republican admin opening the floodgates for outsourcing and capital flight... America and Americans have many assets abroad. How would you like your vacation home seized? What about KBR now headquarrtered in Dubai. It's bad enough they walked away with practically every last dime of American tax payer money, ...but at least they are still American... somewhat.  :-\ You think the auto industry is in tough shape now... what til car plants all over the planet are nationalized. The only GM (Government Motors as MB_22 likes to say) that's really vertical on the charts is in China. Perhaps the Chinese could nationalize those assets as compensation for when the US sent a missile into their embassy? Then too, there is Israel? If the victims can sue and collect from Iran, could they not do the same with Israel? Afterall, it is known that the Israelis knew about the impending attack on the Beirut compound, but chose not to warn their "allies". The presence of those "Israeli art students" who flew to NYC in order to document the terrorism on 911, might also give a victim the desire to seek financial compensation from the Israelis too, ...not that they'd get much. I hear Madoff already cleaned them out big time!

Not agreeing one way or the other, ...just momentarily looking through the lense from anothers POV.

No doubt it's painful for the families of the victims, and I wish them well in their recovery process, ...however, as Spock and so many others are so fond of saying.. "The needs of the few do not outweigh the needs of the many."

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I just sent this story to Drudge.  This makes it sound like the payments to the familes are on the table as far as Iran goes.  Unreal. 

How about Obama do the right thing for once and make this a condition of any settlement thqat these families get paid?

Personally, I think it will be a cold day in hell before any payments come from Iran. Why?

Because after the American embassy hostages were released after a yr in captivity, the US government signed legislation barring any of the hostages from making any legal and/or compensatory claims against Iran. Infact, the USA paid compensatory damages to Iran. This was signed by the Republican admin of Ronald Reagan, an agreement to which Rumsfeld, Rice and the usual suspects all had a hand in.
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If he did, that is another stain on his legacy.  
all I can find is the they wouldn't let the settlement come from the Iran's seized assets held here and that was under Bush.  I thought I remembered them getting shit since the case started but can't find much on it.

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all I can find is the they wouldn't let the settlement come from the Iran's seized assets held here and that was under Bush.  I thought I remembered them getting shit since the case started but can't find much on it.

Either way, whether bush did it or not, this is really slimy and disgusting.  How about this admn stand up for the american citizen for change?