Senate Democrats seal 60-vote majority to push forward historic health care bill

[Skip8282]

that's priceless.... He really is not playing with a full deck.

What is?  The question?  Or the fact that nicky.smith doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're", yet he's implying somebody else is stupid?

[tonymctones]

60 votes isn't exactly "barely passed"... it's pretty huge the R's can't filibuster.

A lot of people said it would fail in the house.  Then they said it would get killed on saturday adn filibustered into oblivion.

I think people underestimate Obama's abilities on this one.  He was shrewd enough to destroy the GOp and Clinton machines in 08, and he just might wiggle this one through.

LOL dude obamas presidency was the result of bush back lash, smooth talking and great timing...hilary would be there if obama wasnt ANY D WOULD BE THERE IF SHE WASNT.

The R's have never been able to filibuster it so why hasnt it passed yet?

its the moderates and the luny lefts that are working out their differences, public option, abortion, funding etc...

you go left you piss the moderates off, you go right you piss the luny lefts off

[Grape Ape]

Won because he was shrewd? 

I don't think so myself.  I think it was more an anti-Bush type thing. 

Exactly.  He won because he was candidate not-Bush.  The whole GOP took a beating for Bush's last two years in office.

[240 is Back]

nah, I think Rudy could have beated an Edwards.

mitt or Rudy could have beaten hilary.

Any of them could have beaten Richardson.

Hell, mccain was up in every poll in mid-sept when Palin was outed as a dummy and the economy tanked (despite mccain's assurances everything was hunkey dory) on the same week.

[tonymctones]

nah, I think Rudy could have beated an Edwards.

mitt or Rudy could have beaten hilary.

Any of them could have beaten Richardson.

Hell, mccain was up in every poll in mid-sept when Palin was outed as a dummy and the economy tanked (despite mccain's assurances everything was hunkey dory) on the same week.

LOL you slam mccain like he was a horrible choice and butt plug for obama

obama said the exact same thing about the economy as mccain did what 3 months later?

didnt see you jump all over that, havent seen you mention that every other post when referencing obama, why is that?

[240 is Back]

Mccain said the economy is on strong fundamentals shortly before the economy collapsed and needed emergency bailout.

Mccain admitted he was weak on economics then skips econ genius romney to pick eye candy palin.

Many repub stalwarts called mccain a terrible choice.  A RINO, etc.  But he was the furthest R not named Ron paul, from Dubya.

And yes, I do think the election was open to be won by either party.

[Soul Crusher]

Mccain said the economy is on strong fundamentals shortly before the economy collapsed and needed emergency bailout.

Mccain admitted he was weak on economics then skips econ genius romney to pick eye candy palin.

Many repub stalwarts called mccain a terrible choice.  A RINO, etc.  But he was the furthest R not named Ron paul, from Dubya.

And yes, I do think the election was open to be won by either party.

240 - have been over this so many times.,  Obama was avble to put bush w mccain and people were sick of bush.  Its that simple.  If McCain did not take palin, he would have lost even worse. 

[240 is Back]

Then explain why all the polls showed Mccain ahead in September.

[Soul Crusher]

Then explain why all the polls showed Mccain ahead in September.

UUGGGH, remember sometyhing about mccain suspending his campaign, TARP, and something about the financial markets collapsing?

[tonymctones]

Mccain said the economy is on strong fundamentals shortly before the economy collapsed and needed emergency bailout.

Mccain admitted he was weak on economics then skips econ genius romney to pick eye candy palin.

Many repub stalwarts called mccain a terrible choice.  A RINO, etc.  But he was the furthest R not named Ron paul, from Dubya.

And yes, I do think the election was open to be won by either party.

LOL yes and obama and his head economic advisor said the same thing 3 months later...didnt hear you jump on that, dont hear you bring it up whenever obama talks about his views on the economy now...wonder why that is? 

actually I dont wonder, I wonder why you just dont admit it...

[Skip8282]

LOL yes and obama and his head economic advisor said the same thing 3 months later...didnt hear you jump on that, dont hear you bring it up whenever obama talks about his views on the economy now...wonder why that is? 

actually I dont wonder, I wonder why you just dont admit it...

This is the media bias we were arguing with Straw Man about in the other thread.  Because it seems to me that McCain's statements were amplified, whereas Obama's were minimized.

[Eric2]

60 votes isn't exactly "barely passed"... it's pretty huge the R's can't filibuster.

A lot of people said it would fail in the house.  Then they said it would get killed on saturday adn filibustered into oblivion.

I think people underestimate Obama's abilities on this one.  He was shrewd enough to destroy the GOp and Clinton machines in 08, and he just might wiggle this one through.

  The man has no abilities , he is a puppet. What they have is the majority. Not abilities............... .please.

[Soul Crusher]

  The man has no abilities , he is a puppet. What they have is the majority. Not abilities............... .please.

Just look at his trip to Asia, even liberals are admitting it was a complete failure and a joke. 

[nicky.smth]

LOL you slam mccain like he was a horrible choice and butt plug for obama

obama said the exact same thing about the economy as mccain did what 3 months later?

didnt see you jump all over that, havent seen you mention that every other post when referencing obama, why is that?

wrong!!!!

The republicans were acting like the economy was growing at 6% GDP, up until the last week of October..

[MCWAY]

Then explain why all the polls showed Mccain ahead in September.

That was AFTER he picked Palin. McCain had trailed Obama from the time they secure their respective parties' nomination, until then.

It was the economic crash (and McCain's erratic response to it) that sank his campaign.

[Soul Crusher]

wrong!!!!

The republicans were acting like the economy was growing at 6% GDP, up until the last week of October..

And what is Obama doing by trying to spend trillions on health care, crap & tax, amnesty for illegals, etc?

Did you read my article about the Debt Wave facing the U.S. Gov?  

[Soul Crusher]

That was AFTER he picked Palin. McCain had trailed Obama from the time they secure their respective parties' nomination, until then.

It was the economic crash (and McCain's erratic response to it) that sank his campaign.

Without Palin, McCain would have lost by at least ten points and even he said she was a major boost to the ticket. 

These dolts who blame Palin conveniently ignore how bad McCain was in suspending his campaign, "fundamentals of the economy" speech, TARP, amnesty for illegals, etc hurt him. 

Couple that with the fact that his campaign itself was a disorganized mess.  I volunteered ans know first hand how poorly run that mess was.   

[MCWAY]

Won because he was shrewd? 

I don't think so myself.  I think it was more an anti-Bush type thing.  Axelrod's good, don't get me wrong, and that's probably what helped him to edge out Hillary.  But, the GOP was pretty much brought down by Bush, IMO.  Also, the GOP doesn't seem to have a cohesive message.  They need another Gringich move and put together a unified front.  Hell, even a lot of Republicans were trying to distance themselves from Bush, lol.

The Democrats didn't have a cohesive message, when they won in 2006. So, this phenomenon is hardly a new thing. After the GOP won seats in the House and Senate, coupled with Bush's 2004 re-election, the Dems looked all but dead.

But, as has been shown, if the incumbent party screws up badly enough, they will get tossed when mid-terms arrive.

[Soul Crusher]

The Democrats didn't have a cohesive message, when they won in 2006. So, this phenomenon is hardly a new thing. After the GOP won seats in the House and Senate, coupled with Bush's 2004 re-election, the Dems looked all but dead.

But, as has been shown, if the incumbent party screws up badly enough, they will get tossed when mid-terms arrive.

In my own state Rudy is going to unseat Gilibrand.   Reid looks DOA as well in Nevada.   

[MCWAY]

Without Palin, McCain would have lost by at least ten points and even he said she was a major boost to the ticket. 

These dolts who blame Palin conveniently ignore how bad McCain was in suspending his campaign, "fundamentals of the economy" speech, TARP, amnesty for illegals, etc hurt him. 

Couple that with the fact that his campaign itself was a disorganized mess.  I volunteered ans know first hand how poorly run that mess was.   

In just under a year, unemployment has gone from 7 percent to 10 percent. If it hits 12-13 percent by next November, the Democrats will be beat down and beat up in 2010, with Obama's head inching dangerously closer to the chopping block for 2012.

[BM OUT]

60 votes isn't exactly "barely passed"... it's pretty huge the R's can't filibuster.

A lot of people said it would fail in the house.  Then they said it would get killed on saturday adn filibustered into oblivion.

I think people underestimate Obama's abilities on this one.  He was shrewd enough to destroy the GOp and Clinton machines in 08, and he just might wiggle this one through.

Obama was shrewd?The dunce didnt do a dam thing here.It was Pelosi twisting arms and Reid giving away the country that did it.Obama has a approval rating under 50% he is a nothing.A figure head who can read a speech.

[tonymctones]

wrong!!!!

The republicans were acting like the economy was growing at 6% GDP, up until the last week of October..

and obama thought everything was hunky dory 3 months later, so they where both wrong

only you and 240 only see it one way

did you know nicky that obama and his head of economic advisors agreed with mccain 3 months after he made his statement?

dont worry i dont expect you to respond like most libs when presented with a legit question they will deflect or ignore...just scroll back over this thread and see how many times ive asked why? to 240 and how many times he has responded 

[Soul Crusher]

If this passes, it's going to be a curse for the entire country, but a blessing for the GOP.

From day one the GOP has been against the stimulus-- They have been right

The GOP has been against Cap and trade and the whole climate change hysteria propaganda machine pushed by the left- They have been right

Now, I can guarantee this healthcare bill will be the deathknell to an already anemic economy on life support. The American people do NOT support this bill and the GOP has been against it at every turn. -- The GOP will also be right on this issue.

However, being right may end up as a Pyrrhic victory. This nonsensical piece of legislative diarrhea will all but guarantee a massive backlash against the democrats and Obama in the upcoming elections and in 2012. However, if the country has collapsed, what difference will it make if the GOP sweeps both houses and puts a republican in the White House?

The GOP needs to stop this lame charade and kill the health bill for the good of the country.

QFT

[Benny B]

QFT

Any reason you dredged up this old thread, PEA BRAIN? 

[Soul Crusher]

Any reason you dredged up this old thread, PEA BRAIN? 

How about a reminder to you why come Nov. 2 why obama's presidency comes to an end, reid and pelosi are gone, and the GOP takes back the house and maybe the senate?