Hitler

[Bobby]

Oh, you're serious. Ok. Well, back in the day his paintings and talent were rejected by the local art academy to which young Adolf applied. His paintings were seen as trite and unoriginal. Thus goes the old refrain that only if that art professor had allowed Adolf to continue his art studies WWII would have been avoided. True story.

Today, his paintings sell well because of the association, but, no, he is not considered a good painter.

hater

Hitler or no hitler, WWII was bound to happened once the treaty of versaille was signed. besides once it was started he couldn't stop it, he tried to make peace with GB but they wouldn't have it. That's why he didn't bother to try and negotiate peace towards the end with everyone telling him to do so, he knew it was useless.

[lovemonkey]

hater

Hitler or no hitler, WWII was bound to happened once the treaty of versaille was signed. besides once it was started he couldn't stop it, he tried to make peace with GB but they wouldn't have it. That's why he didn't bother to try and negotiate peace towards the end with everyone telling him to do so, he knew it was useless.

omg, cue 4+ pages of WWII discussion that's already been beaten to death and thread moved to the z board.

[dr.chimps]

hater

Hitler or no hitler, WWII was bound to happened once the treaty of versaille was signed. besides once it was started he couldn't stop it, he tried to make peace with GB but they wouldn't have it. That's why he didn't bother to try and negotiate peace towards the end with everyone telling him to do so, he knew it was useless.

Um, yeah. He was a selfless fool for peace, and the Allies were war mongerers!? Guy was a paranoid psychopath, not some Boy Scout troop leader gone bad. Oh brother.  

[lovemonkey]

Um, yeah. He was a selfless fool for peace, and the Allies were war mongerers!? Guy was a paranoid psychopath, not some Boy Scout troop leader gone bad. Oh brother.  

Fascism means war!!!

[Fury]

Ironneck's comrades are the new Germans. Discuss.

Turkany or Gerkey. Both sound good.

[Adam11]

Ironneck's comrades are the new Germans. Discuss.

Turkany or Gerkey. Both sound good.

Nick, that Iron"mec" kid has to go; its muslimish insolence had been too loud of the late and while in timeout, I decided that he had to go. The turks are disguisting in general but he tops the marks.

I bet he can't whipe himself clean as too much hair is in the way.

It's good to be white and a couple of step ahead evolution wise.

[Bobby]

Um, yeah. He was a selfless fool for peace, and the Allies were war mongerers!? Guy was a paranoid psychopath, not some Boy Scout troop leader gone bad. Oh brother.  

lol, you took it too far

but he never wanted to fight gb, his beef was with the soviets, bla bla bla rudolf hess flew to england to make peace, imprisoned for life until he died, bla bla "warcriminal" + you know about the stauffenberg plot to kill hitler? well the allies didn't care if he succeded because they wanted an unconditional surrender, not to stop the war if hitler died.

no one was an angel or a devil....every big leader = crazy war mongerer, with stalin at the top of the pyramid.

[dr.chimps]

lol, you took it too far

but he never wanted to fight gb, his beef was with the soviets, bla bla bla rudolf hess flew to england to make peace, imprisoned for life until he died, bla bla "warcriminal" + you know about the stauffenberg plot to kill hitler? well the allies didn't care if he succeded because they wanted an unconditional surrender, not to stop the war if hitler died.

no one was an angel or a devil....every big leader = crazy war mongerer, with stalin at the top of the pyramid.

Um, Hess flew on his own to Britain. Hitler was furious when he found out. And unconditional surrender was the only way to win. Hitler had to ok every major military action even it meant the decimation of Germany to the last man. Crazy people tend to go down in flames rather than throw in the towel.

And yes, Hitler and Stalin were evil, not some ambivalent figure.

[lovemonkey]

Um, Hess flew on his own to Britain. Hitler was furious when he found out. And unconditional surrender was the only way to win. Hitler had to ok every major military action even it meant the decimation of Germany to the last man. Crazy people tend to go down in flames rather than throw in the towel.

And yes, Hitler and Stalin were evil, not some ambivalent figure.

You seem very knowledgeable about 20th century european history in general.. one thing I've wondered for a while is who is the most responsible for the holocaust and how far it was taken? Hitler or Himmler? From what I've read Hitler didn't get too personally involved in the killing machine, that was mostly left up to Himmler. Any idea/opinion?

[Bobby]

Um, Hess flew on his own to Britain. Hitler was furious when he found out. And unconditional surrender was the only way to win. Hitler had to ok every major military action even it meant the decimation of Germany to the last man. Crazy people tend to go down in flames rather than throw in the towel.

And yes, Hitler and Stalin were evil, not some ambivalent figure.

well, it's not like there were any other options availible, what would you have done?

[Adam11]

You seem very knowledgeable about 20th century european history in general.. one thing I've wondered for a while is who is the most responsible for the holocaust and how far it was taken? Hitler or Himmler? From what I've read Hitler didn't get too personally involved in the killing machine, that was mostly left up to Himmler. Any idea/opinion?

LuvedByMonkeys, you seem to cling to large men since you've been exposed as a ribs-popping rear lat spread performer.

Comment on this.

[lovemonkey]

well, it's not like there were any other options availible, what would you have done?

Haha I'm curios to know what would have happened if they captured Hitler. Would he even make it to the trial without being murdered? For propaganda reasons it would beneficial for the Allies to just be able to state that Hitler is dead I guess.

[Bobby]

Haha I'm curios to know what would have happened if they captured Hitler. Would he even make it to the trial without being murdered? For propaganda reasons it would beneficial for the Allies to just be able to state that Hitler is dead I guess.

i'm guessing the same as mussolini or saddam, so giving up is pretty much out of the question. stick it out to the end and hope for the best, in times of desperation people believe what they want to believe.

[daddy8ball]

Pfft he was a terrible military commander. You can thank him for the fall of the third Reich.

Not terrible at first.

Ask Poland, France, Britain, and Greece.

He had the same problem Microsoft has now. He got big real fast, surrounded himself with idiots, and suffered the consequences.

[lovemonkey]

Not terrible at first.

Ask Poland, France, Britain, and Greece.

He had the same problem Microsoft has now. He got big real fast, surrounded himself with idiots, and suffered the consequences.

Poland, France and Greece I'm pretty sure was the work of his generals. Britain he fucked up by starting to bomb London.

[dr.chimps]

You seem very knowledgeable about 20th century european history in general.. one thing I've wondered for a while is who is the most responsible for the holocaust and how far it was taken? Hitler or Himmler? From what I've read Hitler didn't get too personally involved in the killing machine, that was mostly left up to Himmler. Any idea/opinion?

Yeah, but mostly because I like to read. You want to know about the war and esp. Stalin, Simon Sebag(!?) Montifiore has written some amazing books with access to recently unclassified documents. Absolutely fascinating is Stalin's early life!

Oh, Hitler was the main engineer of the Holocaust, but he was 'clever' enough not to have his signature on any of the documents, especially the Wannsee ones. There's an HBO movie called 'Conspiracy' with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich which is a pretty sober look at how the Holocaust was first engineered. Worth a watch. Himmler brought a functionary's enthusiastic touch to this enormity.    

[daddy8ball]

Poland, France and Greece I'm pretty sure was the work of his generals. Britain he fucked up by starting to bomb London.

Nope. His generals were very cautious. Hitler was the one who moved forward. In fact, he was so amazed by his success that he delayed his Blitz by two days allowing the Brits to be evacuated.

In the beginning, and most of the war, Hitler was making the calls.

[Tapeworm]

[Adam11]

Haha I'm curios to know what would have happened if they captured Hitler. Would he even make it to the trial without being murdered? For propaganda reasons it would beneficial for the Allies to just be able to state that Hitler is dead I guess.

ur a skeletonal idiot..

[lovemonkey]

Yeah, but mostly because I like to read. You want to know about the war and esp. Stalin, Simon Sebag(!?) Montifiore has written some amazing books with access to recently unclassified documents. Absolutely fascinating is Stalin's early life!

Oh, Hitler was the main engineer of the Holocaust, but he was 'clever' enough not to have his signature on any of the documents, especially the Wannsee ones. There's an HBO movie called 'Conspiracy' with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich which is a pretty sober look at how the Holocaust was first engineered. Worth a watch. Himmler brought a functionary's enthusiastic touch to this enormity.    

Interesting, I might give those books/movies a shot. I just barely know the basics of history but I find it pretty fascinating.

[dr.chimps]

Interesting, I might give those books/movies a shot. I just barely know the basics of history but I find it pretty fascinating.

Montefiore's 'Young Stalin' will knock your socks off. Guy was a seminary student, thief, pirate, thug, poet, spy and many other things before he became the dictator Stalin we now know. 

[uberman09]

there are agendas behind Hitler you are yet to comprehend due to lack of info

yeah and you got all these precious informations...from some bullshit internet website hahaha godamn motherfucking failure.

[uberman09]

Nick, that Iron"mec" kid has to go; its muslimish insolence had been too loud of the late and while in timeout, I decided that he had to go. The turks are disguisting in general but he tops the marks.

I bet he can't whipe himself clean as too much hair is in the way.

It's good to be white and a couple of step ahead evolution wise.

i wonder what your black wife would think of this?

[WingedLion]

How do the Reptilians alter the laws of physics? Or are concepts like gravity false? Do they control space and time? Experiments conducted outside of the Earth's atmosphere yield the same results as experiments conducted on earth with regards to physics.

they rely heavily on technology

the "laws of psysics " as you know thm r an absolute joke

[lovemonkey]

they rely heavily on technology

the "laws of psysics " as you know thm r an absolute joke

Since you're so convinced of your beliefs, the least you can do is to provide some examples. Doesn't have to be evidence. Name one law of physics and tell us what's false about it. I'm not trolling, just giving you an honest chance to explain your theories.