Doses for bodybuilders

[Jenetics]

I have the exact same problem... as soon as I go over an amp of sust a week my face turns into a basketball..

best advice I can give you to try is, prop every 2 days, that seemed to work for me.

Thanks. I've had the same advice before, but I am yet to try it. What dosage of prop have you used? And was this with or without an aromatase inhibitor?

[Tapeworm]

The only problem with this is that doses of test over 250mg per week bloat me with water weight like nothing else. 'Moon face' is a big issue for me with test! If I used an aromatase inhibitor, this would defeat the point. GH15, how do you avoid the bloat on high doses of testosterone whilst maintaining sex drive?

Why would an AI defeat the point? 

[Bobby]

Why would an AI defeat the point? 

indeed + AI wouldn't stop bloat? that's AE right?

AI only prevents binding to receptor for gyno...you still have the high estrogen, don't you ?

[Tapeworm]

indeed + AI wouldn't stop bloat? that's AE right?

AI only prevents binding to receptor for gyno...you still have the high estrogen, don't you ?

Other way around.  SERMs like clomid and nolva are receptor modulators.  AIs like anastrozole are 'aromatase inhibitors.'  They reduce the conversion of T to E so you don't have high E.

[Bobby]

Other way around.  SERMs like clomid and nolva are receptor modulators.  AIs like anastrozole are 'aromatase inhibitors.'  They reduce the conversion of T to E so you don't have high E.

ahh i see. I thought AE anti estrogens is what kills estrogen and bloat... But AE and AI are pretty similar then? and SERM is the other. i'm such a noob. so nolva = still estrogen and armidex = no or less estorgen.

[Palpatine Q]

ahh i see. I thought AE anti estrogens is what kills estrogen and bloat... But AE and AI are pretty similar then? and SERM is the other. i'm such a noob. so nolva = still estrogen and armidex = no or less estorgen.

And this is one of the main reasons i don't fuck with the shit. You can twist your head into a pretzel trying to figure out the "right' way to do them, and you'll most likely wind up fucking yourself up and grow tits

[Bobby]

And this is one of the main reasons i don't fuck with the shit. You can twist your head into a pretzel trying to figure out the "right' way to do them, and you'll most likely wind up fucking yourself up and grow tits

lol i hear ya! nothing goes better with 20 inch arms than a pair of a cups haha

[Stavios]

GH15, how to deal with my loss of appetite on roids

roids are ineffective if I can't eat enough !!!

[dyslexic]

There are many different drugs available for increasing appetite. They are used in geriatrics, faggotry, and of course, bodybuilding.


Smoke dope.

[Tapeworm]

ahh i see. I thought AE anti estrogens is what kills estrogen and bloat... But AE and AI are pretty similar then? and SERM is the other. i'm such a noob. so nolva = still estrogen and armidex = no or less estorgen.

I'd say AE (anti estrogen) is just a generic term that gets thrown around online.  It's not a class of drugs tho.  You couldn't walk into a pharmacy and say 'gimmie an anti estrogen.'  The pharmacist would ask, 'Anti how?'

SERM stands for: selective estrogen receptor modulator.  It won't inhibit the conversion of T to E but it will inhibit E from binding to receptors in certain tissues, but presumably not in all tissues since it's 'selective'.  Or maybe it's 'selective' in that it inhibits binding of only certain estrogens.  (There's 3 kinds of E as far as I know.)  Haha, I don't know in what regard it's 'selective.'  Nolvadex (tamoxifen) and Clomid (clomiphene citrate) are examples of this class, mostly prescribed for breast cancer.  They are not harmless and have been linked to eyesight degeneration and liver cancer.

AI stands for: Aromatase inhibitor.  These nullify (dose dependently) the effectiveness of aromatase enzymes which are responsible for turning T into E, and are also prescribed for breast cancer.  These will help reduce water retention but probably have their own sides which I haven't researched much.  I prefer them to SERMs and have run them at low doses throughout a weak cycle, but I'm pretty much a noob too who just learned about these drugs because of a naturally crappy T level and not because I'm megadosing trying to get huge.

[gh15]

The only problem with this is that doses of test over 250mg per week bloat me with water weight like nothing else. 'Moon face' is a big issue for me with test! If I used an aromatase inhibitor, this would defeat the point. GH15, how do you avoid the bloat on high doses of testosterone whilst maintaining sex drive?

i dont get this thing,,are you fellas fuckin blind? i said high test doses when you use other anabolics such masteron and trenbolone and eq ,,,the masteron by itself will prevent any water retention in the face even on high doses test if masteron taken in good enough dose,, same for proviron,,same for winstrol ,,,same for all those other anabolics beside test,,

if you take testosterone by itself at 1.2 gram plus a week with out anything else,,,then yes expect  bloat in face ,,
you can minize bloat with ai ,,femara and arimidex both will get you dry but will also fuck your sex drive if absuing,,

remember you want some estogen glow because thats the core of sex drive,,its the estrogen test ratio that needs to be looked at,,,having too much testosterone and almost no estogen = soft cock in bed or if you have real hot girl then its hard for 3 min then soft  then hard then soft,,,but most fellas cant even get it hard period because not everyone has a hot girl...

sex is all in the brain ,,you can get somewhat hard even with out enough estrogen or with out enough testosterone ,,,but the quality wil not be good,,for good quality and happy sex life you need the good ratio of testosterone to estrogen ,,estrogen should always be in the system unless you dont care about sex life

gh15 approved

[gh15]

GH15, how to deal with my loss of appetite on roids

roids are ineffective if I can't eat enough !!!

get off the orals get off anapolon,,

real testosterone will alwys make one hungry ,,real dianabol will always make one hungry,,real gh will always make one hungry,,

dianabol hunger will subside after a while but with gh it will continue,,

test hunger is always there because test = superman in every aspect,, in addition what you can chew you swallow,,as in protien drinks,, meal replacements,,,drink it or eat it same exact thing,,only the drinking shoudl be done every 2-3 hours and not evern 3-4 hours like food

gh15 approved

[disco_stu]

fellas,,gh15 consistantly for several years now get the reptetive unesessary questions about doses,,gh15 answered those questions million times ,,i will do it another time here in capital to clarify any misconception and any sex related issue you have that goes along with doses and its direct relashion,,


WHEN I SAY BODYBUILDER TAKE 2 GRAMS 3 GREAMS 4 GREAMS AND EVEN 5 = GRAMS I MEAN JUST THAT ,, ITS ALWAYS THE RATIO OF PRODUCTS YOU TAKE ALWAYS RATIO OF TEST TO THE OTHER HORMONES,,THIS RATIO SHOUDL ALWAYS BE AT 2:1 PREFRETABLY 2.5:1

NOW ,,THE MORE ADVANCED BODYBUILDER YOU ARE THE MORE HORMONES YOU TAKE THE MORE DIFF HORMONES YOU TAKE AND THE HIGHER DOSES YOU TAKE ,,,IF YOU HAVE LEGIT HORMONES AND YOURE A BODYBUILDER FEMILIAR WITH HORMONES...AS IN COMPETETIVE OR GYM RAT THAT DOESNT WANT TO COMPETE BUT PUT HIS YEARS IN ...THE MAIN CONCEPT IS TO ALWAYS TAKE ENOUGH TESTOSTERONA TO COMPANSATE FOR THE OTHER SHIT YOU TAKE,,,

FOR FUCKIN EXAMPLE; LETS SAY YOU INJECT 400 MG A WEEK MASTERON ,,800 MG A WEEK EQUIPOISE ,,400 NG A WEEK TRENBOLONE ACE,,THIS IS TOTAL OF 1600MG NOW THATS WHAT GH15 MEANS BY THE FACT THAT THEN....THE BODYBUILDER SHOULD GET IN HIS SYSTEM 2.5 GRAM TESTOSTERONE A WEEK INORDER TO HAVE SEX DRIVE AND FULLNESS AND THE RIGHT BALANCE GOING SO HE CAN GROW RIGHT AND CAN STILL FUCK HIS WOMAN RIGHT! SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO NOT GET IT YET,,

YES WE DO 3-4 GRAMS GEAR,,ITS ALL A RATIO MY FRIENDS,,WE DO A LOT MORE THAN 3-4 GRRAMS IN SOME CASES,,

IF YOU THINK THAT YOU WILL INJECT 250 MG TEST INJECT IN YOU WHEN YOU PUT IN YOUR ASS RIGHT WITH IT 1.5 GRAM OF THE OTHER ANABOLICS I MENTIONED AND YOU THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR COCK WORK ,,YOU ARE SEVERELY WRONG ,,YOU WILL GROW DRY AND GROW DEPRESSED! YOU WILL NOT GROW TO FULL POTENTIONAL YOU WILL LACK FULNESS THIS THING DONT WORK THIS WAY MY FRIENDS,, THOSE ANABOLICS MENTIONED SHUT YOU DOWN IF NOT TAKING ENOUGH TEST IN RATIO GH15 MENTIONED

ALWAYS REMEMBER FRIENDS,,THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TESTOSTERONE IN HIGH ENOUGH RATIO DOSE IN THE BLOOD INORDER TO REMAIN AT FULL PERFORMANCE,,IF YOU THINK YOU CAN SKIP BY YOU ARE SEVETELY MISTAKEN,,

TRUE THE ONES WHO USE TESTOSTERONE ONLY AND SOME DIANABOL CAN SKIP BY WITH 750 MG A WEEK TO 1 GRAM WEEK TOTAL USE BUT NONE OF THE ADVANCE BODYBUILDER USE ONLY TEST ,,WE USE MUCH AND MANY MORE PRODUCTS AND THUS THE MAIN REASON FOR HIGH DOSE TEST,,

ESTROGEN IS INTEGRAL PART OF SEX ,,,,NO ESTROGEN = NO HARD COCK ,,OR HARD AND SOFT AND NOT BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN HARNDESS,,NO CIALIS WONT WORK NO VIAGRA WONT WORK,,,ITS TEST IN HIGH ENOUGH DOSES THAT THOSE FELLAS LACK,,

THIS POST IS GH15 APPROVED AND SEALED

DONT BOTHER ME WITH THIS NONSENSE SHIT ANYMORE,,YOU HAVE IT HERE LAYED OUT

you are talking shit once again gh15. this works IF you have assistance, which means that basically anything works.

static ratios have been proven to not work and are sub optimal at best. you can do a search using a thing called google to verify this. the best way is to gradually ramp up certain nutrients to move the body through the sparing and loading phase, cycling through a range of nutrients. againb, this is common knowledge for nutritionists and world class athletes. BUT, in the absence of hormonal assistance.

with hormones, certain schemes work ok, and others better, but even then the body still reacts always to move to a state of balance..i.e. if you dose up on protein, the body initially uses it, then works to eliminate it. you get to a point where it is a waste of time. You will still get gains, but that isnt because of your scientific routine, it is because of drugs..plain and simple. The fact that static regimens are advertised is to keep it simple so ppl dont have to have half a brain to adopt approaches. it works on the chance that most people will stray from the fixed regimen once in a while. So basically if you cant, or wont learn about how the body works, then you'll be ok doing this...but it isnt optimal, and dont expect it to work wonders if you arent taking hormones.

essentially if you want to grow, read some books written by established experts in the field, not some life long steroid and GH user who cant really distinguish between what works and what doesnt due to the loads of variables in his system (this is you and your mates gh15).

you need double blind studies to determine what works, conducted by boffins and reviews by their peers. And youll find that one principle stands out time and time againand that  is that the human body adapts to stimulus in all forms and reacts by attempting to bring it back to status quo. thats why fixed routines of anything dont work for ever. diet included.

[pellius]

you are talking shit once again gh15. this works IF you have assistance, which means that basically anything works.

static ratios have been proven to not work and are sub optimal at best. you can do a search using a thing called google to verify this. the best way is to gradually ramp up certain nutrients to move the body through the sparing and loading phase, cycling through a range of nutrients. againb, this is common knowledge for nutritionists and world class athletes. BUT, in the absence of hormonal assistance.

with hormones, certain schemes work ok, and others better, but even then the body still reacts always to move to a state of balance..i.e. if you dose up on protein, the body initially uses it, then works to eliminate it. you get to a point where it is a waste of time. You will still get gains, but that isnt because of your scientific routine, it is because of drugs..plain and simple. The fact that static regimens are advertised is to keep it simple so ppl dont have to have half a brain to adopt approaches. it works on the chance that most people will stray from the fixed regimen once in a while. So basically if you cant, or wont learn about how the body works, then you'll be ok doing this...but it isnt optimal, and dont expect it to work wonders if you arent taking hormones.

essentially if you want to grow, read some books written by established experts in the field, not some life long steroid and GH user who cant really distinguish between what works and what doesnt due to the loads of variables in his system (this is you and your mates gh15).

you need double blind studies to determine what works, conducted by boffins and reviews by their peers. And youll find that one principle stands out time and time againand that  is that the human body adapts to stimulus in all forms and reacts by attempting to bring it back to status quo. thats why fixed routines of anything dont work for ever. diet included.

gh15 is god of hormones. Do not blaspheme. gh15 top pro Mr. Olympia top ten. Post your pic to show us what all your book knowledge has accomplished.

[The ChemistV2]

i dont get this thing,,are you fellas fuckin blind? i said high test doses when you use other anabolics such masteron and trenbolone and eq ,,,the masteron by itself will prevent any water retention in the face even on high doses test if masteron taken in good enough dose,, same for proviron,,same for winstrol ,,,same for all those other anabolics beside test,,

if you take testosterone by itself at 1.2 gram plus a week with out anything else,,,then yes expect  bloat in face ,,
you can minize bloat with ai ,,femara and arimidex both will get you dry but will also fuck your sex drive if absuing,,

remember you want some estogen glow because thats the core of sex drive,,its the estrogen test ratio that needs to be looked at,,,having too much testosterone and almost no estogen = soft cock in bed or if you have real hot girl then its hard for 3 min then soft  then hard then soft,,,but most fellas cant even get it hard period because not everyone has a hot girl...

sex is all in the brain ,,you can get somewhat hard even with out enough estrogen or with out enough testosterone ,,,but the quality wil not be good,,for good quality and happy sex life you need the good ratio of testosterone to estrogen ,,estrogen should always be in the system unless you dont care about sex life

gh15 approved

Good post here.

[Alexander D]

im pretty sure GH15 is tom princess... and he is using this fake bullshit foreign typing to try and throw people off...

 

A DUB approved

[io856]

im pretty sure GH15 is tom princess... and he is using this fake bullshit foreign typing to try and throw people off...

 

A DUB approved

gh15 is gh15

doesn't need to be anything more or anything less

[Schmoe Buster]

There are many different drugs available for increasing appetite. They are used in geriatrics, faggotry, and of course, bodybuilding.


Smoke dope.

are'nt both the same thing