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Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« on: November 25, 2009, 05:12:50 PM »
As adults on this board, the people in America, I am sure you have all paid tons of money in ; incomes taxes, sales tax, property taxes, and many other things that contribute to the economy, we pay alot of our hard earned money for our rights first off to call our selves Americans, and secondly, to recieve the benifits and rights of America. With that being said I know there are some who dont see any problem with the trial these 5 terrorists are recieving and the American rights they are being givin. But how can that be so easily rolled off your shoulders look at all you have paid into to recieve these rights, and yet these guys get them for nothing, and even after commiting the acts that they all confessed to( and are proud of). Why should we give these guys this right, because in doing so we are waisting more tax payer money just in doing so. It cost money to jail them, feed them, give them medical treatment if needed, to escort them back and forth to trial with the proper level of security, the police and judges and clerks and everyone involed is getting their salary paid for buy us, the American people who these 5 guys helped attack. why do they deserve one red cent spent on their sorry asses?  Just kinda makes me feel that as an American my rights are not as important as they try to make us all believe seeing as how they are just giving them away, especialy to people like these guys!  what do you all think?

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2009, 05:18:22 PM »
hmmmm....

I've paid for my inalienable rights, so why should someone that hasn't paid for them get the same rights ?

It's a bit hard to see how left and right can be put aside when you put it like that. The view you espouse is so far right, I'm suprised you haven't fallen off.

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 05:20:49 PM »
if you are a legal U.S citizen then I am not talking about you. If you are legal then you pay just like the rest of us. I am not talking about human rights, I am talking about American rights, there is a difference

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 05:26:34 PM »
Actually, if I'm not a US citizen, yes you are talking about me as well.

Let's say a non-US citizen is on holiday there and accused of a crime. Should they be presumed innocent until proven guilty or just locked up because they haven't paid for the right for a fair trial.

Conversely - if a non US citizen in the same situation is accused of a crime - should they be able to pay for a fair trial.

I am not Thai but I live in Thailand - people here 'pay for a fair trial' all the time. I wouldn't say that it's working out so well.

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 07:45:58 PM »
Well pedro if your not a citizen then why are you asnswering to this post ?  can you not read , it was asked to Americans.  And you are the one that just tied left or right into this by implying that the right hates immagrants! That is not what I said is it? Maybe you should pay attention , I said if you want rights as an American then pay your dues to America.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 10:48:25 PM »
Well pedro if your not a citizen then why are you asnswering to this post ?  can you not read , it was asked to Americans.  And you are the one that just tied left or right into this by implying that the right hates immagrants! That is not what I said is it? Maybe you should pay attention , I said if you want rights as an American then pay your dues to America.

Last time I checked - this was an open politics board. That's why I am 'asnswering'.  

Like I say - do you include tourists/business travellers in your 'no rights till you paid your dues' philosophy ?

What about if you visited another country yourself ? Would you feel OK that had no right to a fair trial after being accused of a crime in a foreign country ?

Let me guess - you don't ever leave the US of A, so it would not be an issue...

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 04:02:45 AM »
The view you espouse is so far right, I'm suprised you haven't fallen off.



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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 10:18:32 AM »
Yes the board is open to all ,  but the question was intended for a certain group of people which you do not fall into, and yes I go out of the U.S. alot,  but just keep assuming away since you think you know everything I know one thing, when I go to another counrty I dont expect hand outs , or free entitlements or rights

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 10:22:34 AM »
Yes the board is open to all ,  but the question was intended for a certain group of people which you do not fall into, and yes I go out of the U.S. alot,  but just keep assuming away since you think you know everything I know one thing, when I go to another counrty I dont expect hand outs , or free entitlements or rights

So you'd be okay with imprisonment without representation, without a fair trail and without any rights at all?  That is should you be accused of anything in a foreign country where you have said you don't expect rights. 
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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 10:29:57 AM »
No , these people should be tried outside of America. And should be funded by the good for nothing U.N. Or tried in their homeland where they could be put to death in a barbaric way. Not 2 blocks away from where they killed 3000 people in an act of war, and where they are still going to have a bad effect on Americas economy by having to pay for all the things I listed above. Keep their sorry asses out of here, they don't deserve to be on American soil.

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2009, 10:32:23 AM »
No , these people should be tried outside of America. And should be funded by the good for nothing U.N. Or tried in their homeland where they could be put to death in a barbaric way. Not 2 blocks away from where they killed 3000 people in an act of war, and where they are still going to have a bad effect on Americas economy by having to pay for all the things I listed above. Keep their sorry asses out of here, they don't deserve to be on American soil.

So you'd rather justice be served elsewhere? Interesting.  So if a Canadian came down and killed your family you would support a trial in Canada over the US? 
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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2009, 10:34:07 AM »
What is this "How to kill your tourist trade & decimate foreign investment 101" ?

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2009, 10:35:03 AM »
yes  elsewhere not at the cost of tax payers in america, we pay enough bull shit due to the ever growing government, they cost Americans enough already by way of lives and loved ones and in monetary value!!!

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2009, 10:39:17 AM »
maybe some of you like that your  money gets fucked off on stupid shit like these 5 guys but i work hard and my business gets taxed the shit out of as do i in my personal life because I just happen to fall into the unlucky tax bracket, I feel many americans hard earned money is waisted on crap like these 5 fucks i bet you are a lib  who gets and depends on free shit  so of course you dont care, you are operating off my money to, so for that I say your welcome, and please spend it wisely

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2009, 10:40:28 AM »
yes  elsewhere not at the cost of tax payers in america, we pay enough bull shit due to the ever growing government, they cost Americans enough already by way of lives and loved ones and in monetary value!!!

Okay that's fine.  You do realize that in Canada life only means 25 years and sometimes (most of the time) less.  You would be happy with the killer of your family getting 25 years only instead of life as he would in America?
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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2009, 10:41:05 AM »
When is the Bush/Cheney war crimes trial date?  ???
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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2009, 10:54:08 AM »
yes  elsewhere not at the cost of tax payers in america, we pay enough bull shit due to the ever growing government, they cost Americans enough already by way of lives and loved ones and in monetary value!!!

Yours is a knee-jerk reaction to a certain situation right now where some people you find abhorrent are going to be given the same rights under law as yourself. Your potential solution does not hold up to even the flimsiest of scrutiny.

The questions people are posing are relevant but you don't really have answers for them.

Let's say a wealthy Thai guy raped your mother, sister and daughter. After that he pours petrol on them and sets them on fire. Then he anally violates your Chinchilla.

Would you be OK with this guy being tried back in Thailand where, with his wealth and connections, he'd be walking free within a few weeks ?

OR

Would you be OK with the US police rounding up all Thai guys in that area - say 40 or 50 guys and dealing out some 'rough justice' in the form of a car battery, some crocodile clips and their testicles ? Would you be OK with all 40 or 50 guys being shot just to make sure they got the right guy ?

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2009, 01:11:45 PM »
well then where were the rights of all the americans that have had their heads cut off in the middle east??

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2009, 01:16:28 PM »
Many of the Americans and Europians that were brutally killed in the mid east did nothing except cross the wrong boarder, they didn't fly planes into anything, so yea , lets compare how Americans treat people if you want to . Why do you feel non Americans deserve American rights? I am not saying they dont deserve human rights but not Americans, there is a difference, they have done nothing for America except cost millions in damage and killed over 3000 people in cold blood

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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2009, 01:20:27 PM »
Many of the Americans and Europians that were brutally killed in the mid east did nothing except cross the wrong boarder, they didn't fly planes into anything, so yea , lets compare how Americans treat people if you want to . Why do you feel non Americans deserve American rights? I am not saying they dont deserve human rights but not Americans, there is a difference, they have done nothing for America except cost millions in damage and killed over 3000 people in cold blood

So you don't believe the right to a fair trial is a human right?
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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2009, 01:22:29 PM »
yes but not in america if you are not american , american tax dollars shouldnt be waisted on those people they have cost enough

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2009, 01:24:40 PM »
let them recieve trial in their  country like saddam did justice got served there

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2009, 01:34:48 PM »
yes but not in america if you are not american , american tax dollars shouldnt be waisted on those people they have cost enough

Okay so what if they go back to a govt that wants to celebrate rather than incriminate their actions? You'd be okay with that or some token sentence handed down.
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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2009, 01:36:44 PM »
Their government clearly doesnt, they claim to be an alli so let that government prosecute them , just like iraq prosecuted saddam

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Re: Left or Right Aside !! A question for Americans
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2009, 01:48:18 PM »
Their government clearly doesnt, they claim to be an alli so let that government prosecute them , just like iraq prosecuted saddam

And if they don't give them a death sentence or life in imprison then what? You have freed terrorists running around again. 

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