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Question: Should there be a standard for voting rights?
No, let all Americans vote no matter how stupid - 6 (31.6%)
Yes, It should be required that there be a basic understanding of the issues and US government/history before voting   - 9 (47.4%)
Other:  Post your opinion if no option fits your opinion. - 4 (21.1%)
Total Voters: 1

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« on: November 26, 2009, 08:11:31 AM »

We've all seen the videos.  Morons lining up for Palin, morons supporting Obama after being given McCain's policies as that of Obama.  So do you think a test should be required before voting?  Something like a license to vote like you get a drivers license?  Something that requires a person to at least have a very basic understanding of the issues, government and political history?
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2009, 09:09:37 AM »

We've all seen the videos.  Morons lining up for Palin, morons supporting Obama after being given McCain's policies as that of Obama.  So do you think a test should be required before voting?  Something like a license to vote like you get a drivers license?  Something that requires a person to at least have a very basic understanding of the issues, government and political history?

I believe a person must pay income taxes in order to be able to vote. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2009, 09:16:49 AM »

I believe a person must pay income taxes in order to be able to vote.  
I disagree with that, they can't control the tax code so it's not their fault.  That would also eliminate many active servicemen AND vets.  Not cool imo... focusing on eliminating the intentionally totally clueless voters is probably a more serious consideration.  It's also a consideration that comes with some problems.  History has shown it's been used racially.  At the same time, who the hell wants a voter to cast their vote on good looks or whatever, with absolutely no knowledge of government or the issues, like we've seen from so many videos posted here of both the right and left.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2009, 09:19:17 AM »

I disagree with that, they can't control the tax code so it's not their fault.  That would also eliminate many active servicemen AND vets.  Not cool imo... focusing on eliminating the intentionally totally clueless voters is probably a more serious consideration.  It's also a consideration that comes with some problems.  History has shown it's been used racially.  At the same time, who the hell wants a voter to cast their vote on good looks or whatever, with absolutely no knowledge of government or the issues, like we've seen from so many videos posted here of both the right and left.

My problem is that people whose sole support is from the govt are always going to vote for the guy promising more free shit. 
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2009, 09:24:27 AM »

actually, such a requirement might increase voter participation.  People don't seem to give a shit about what's free.  Tell people they can't have it "unless they," and they line up.  I'm not sure what the answer is, but I would be all for a more educated voter.  Maybe they would put the time in to have the right where they wouldn't have done shit otherwise.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2009, 09:28:40 AM »

actually, such a requirement might increase voter participation.  People don't seem to give a shit about what's free.  Tell people they can't have it "unless they," and they line up.  I'm not sure what the answer is, but I would be all for a more educated voter.  Maybe they would put the time in to have the right where they wouldn't have done shit otherwise.

The average fool pays attention the last two weeks and votes totally on bs issues and emotion. 
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 09:29:51 AM »

My problem is that people whose sole support is from the govt are always going to vote for the guy promising more free shit.  
I understand, but you see my point right?  You don't want to tell vets they can't vote right?  Or how about all the people that are just turning 18?  a great portion of them will not be earning enough to actually lose money in federal taxes, are you going to tell them they can't vote along with vets that don't earn enough?  How about someone who gets sick, or how about the good wife of a pissant couch potato?  on and on...
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 09:31:28 AM »

oops, you changed your post to something I couldn't possibly comment on. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 09:43:29 AM »

Would never happen because the left wouldn't allow it. Every office would have a republican voted into it.

This would be akin to the literacy test that used to be required at polling places in the post slavery south.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 09:46:44 AM »

Would never happen because the left wouldn't allow it. Every office would have a republican voted into it.

This would be akin to the literacy test that used to be required at polling places in the post slavery south.
that's why I mentioned there were historical reasons to consider against it.  Doesn't matter if it woudn't happen, I'm interested in what you think, not what would happen.  Nobody here is going to affect anything anyway so I'm just curious about personal opinions.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2009, 09:57:54 AM »

Then yes-- hell yes there should be a intel requirement.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2009, 10:06:40 AM »

Ok, this is a stupid question, I'm changing the question:

Kari Byron from Mythbusters or Kris Williams from Ghost Hunters?

I'm going with Kris. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2009, 10:17:09 AM »

college degree...GOT to set the bar SOMEPLACE

in which case i wouldn't be allowed to vote....which is fine by me
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2009, 10:41:05 AM »

Ok, this is a stupid question, I'm changing the question:

Kari Byron from Mythbusters or Kris Williams from Ghost Hunters?

I'm going with Kris. Tongue
pics or this thread is useless  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2009, 11:22:23 AM »

People on government programs that recieve tax payers money  should not be allowed to vote!! Do you honestly think they will vote in the best interest of America?  Hell no they are going to vote for the person that wants to keep the handouts coming, even while that persons agenda completly fucks up the rest of America!!!
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2009, 11:50:20 AM »

interesting point... should any person getting a govt handout be able to influence elections?

I mean, Obama doens't SAY it... but everyone knows it... repubs will cut the handouts in a major way.  I heard on Rush today that Obama/holder over-rode a local vote to keep party affil off of the ballt on a NC district - would hurt voters there who are strong dem voters.

Essentially, you vote DEM, you vote handout.  Should ppl getting handouts be able to vote?

Although mccain promising to keep bush tax cuts is the same thing, for rich ppl./
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2009, 12:26:25 PM »

Democracy needs active voters. But to get that through introducing thresholds are a step back.
Instead focus should be on education.
Democracy is inclusive by nature, not exclusive.
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2009, 12:44:28 PM »

We've all seen the videos.  Morons lining up for Palin, morons supporting Obama after being given McCain's policies as that of Obama.  So do you think a test should be required before voting?  Something like a license to vote like you get a drivers license?  Something that requires a person to at least have a very basic understanding of the issues, government and political history?
Yes. Everyone should be allowed to vote regardless of how stupid. Study American history and the poll tax. I would not trust states having such discretion given our sordid past in such matters. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2009, 02:18:40 PM »

democrates get the poor to vote dem by bribing them with money, not educating them as to the situations, that has been proven in 14 states. and when you offer a poor person money what do you think they are going to do?  hmmmmmm
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2009, 02:33:04 PM »

democrates get the poor to vote dem by bribing them with money, not educating them as to the situations, that has been proven in 14 states. and when you offer a poor person money what do you think they are going to do?  hmmmmmm

The great thing with democracy is that we can't tell other people how they should vote.
Regardless how stupid that vote may be.

The freedom to choose.
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2009, 02:35:07 PM »

Your right ACORN didnt tell them how to vote, they just paid them money to vote a certain way, hmmm and where does ACORN get its money from ?  Oh yea the hard working tax paying citizens of America.
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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2009, 02:36:37 PM »

"democrates get the poor to vote dem by bribing them with money, not educating them as to the situations, that has been proven in 14 states. and when you offer a poor person money what do you think they are going to do?  hmmmmmm"

both sides do it.

mccain promised to keep bush tax cuts in place, a move that sure made wealthy people happy.

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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2009, 02:38:14 PM »

One word 240          ( ACORN)  it has been proven in 14 states
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2009, 02:40:23 PM »

Limiting who should be voting is what medieval cultures like Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations do.
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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2009, 02:40:37 PM »

yeah, i agree on acorn.  I'm just pointing out both parties try to appeal to voters by promising them $.

One point of view about the 'college degree' thing.  What if obama suddenly decided (with his dem congress) to enact a law stating those with college degrees CANNOT vote, since they are obviously the minority and their beliefs are against the greater good or whatever.  Dems would crush repubs in everything.  
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