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What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« on: November 28, 2009, 05:51:17 PM »
Ronnie coleman
Jay cutler
Victor martinez
Kai greene
Dennis wolf
Phil heath
Branch warren
Dexter jackson
Markus Ruhl
Dennis james
Kevin levrone
Shawn ray
Flex wheeler
Dorian yates
Lee priest
Etc

What would these people weigh without drugs. You can add people if you want. I'd expect kai greene to be a lard arse, ronnie would look like he did prior to taking steroids (quite the tiny tit) lee priest would be a little fatso, dexter jackson would have to run around the shower to get wet, dennis wolf would be big and chubby.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2009, 05:53:57 PM »
Most of them would still look great simply as the result of superior genetics.

Almost everyone else is wasting money on steroids.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2009, 06:05:36 PM »
Pretty origanal thread, been thinking about this one a while have you? Ronnie was far, FAR from a tiny tit before juice. For the most part prob 80% of them would still look pretty damn good.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2009, 06:06:50 PM »
Superior genetics?. Only genetics most of them have are in terms of there SHAPE.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2009, 06:08:22 PM »
Picture of ronnie in flex magazine a few months ago. In police uniform and has hair. He must of been approaching 30, and he isnt big by any means.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2009, 06:12:18 PM »
I would have to see the photo but didnt he turn pro before he juiced supposedly?
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2009, 06:16:59 PM »
Quote from: TRIX on November 28, 2009, 06:06:50 PM
Superior genetics?. Only genetics most of them have are in terms of there SHAPE.
Thats is a great point right there and never really brought up. For the most part the guys who look the best are the one with tiny little bird bone stucture. But I think you would still need to hyper respond to teh juice to make pro. Ah who knows they are all a bunch of crackhead, juicehead, painkiller junkies.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2009, 06:26:50 PM »
Quote from: TRIX on November 28, 2009, 06:06:50 PM
Superior genetics?. Only genetics most of them have are in terms of there SHAPE.

Joint structure, response to juice, metabolism, etc...
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2009, 06:50:24 PM »
Quote from: TRIX on November 28, 2009, 05:51:17 PM


What would these people weigh without drugs. You can add people if you want. I'd expect kai greene to be a lard arse, ronnie would look like he did prior to taking steroids (quite the tiny tit) lee priest would be a little fatso, dexter jackson would have to run around the shower to get wet, dennis wolf would be big and chubby.

their face to body ratio would definitely tilt towards the unfavourable...with very few expections on that list
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2009, 07:44:43 PM »
Quote from: TRIX on November 28, 2009, 05:51:17 PM
Ronnie coleman
Jay cutler
Victor martinez
Kai greene
Dennis wolf
Phil heath
Branch warren
Dexter jackson
Markus Ruhl
Dennis james
Kevin levrone
Shawn ray
Flex wheeler
Dorian yates
Lee priest
Etc

What would these people weigh without drugs. You can add people if you want. I'd expect kai greene to be a lard arse, ronnie would look like he did prior to taking steroids (quite the tiny tit) lee priest would be a little fatso, dexter jackson would have to run around the shower to get wet, dennis wolf would be big and chubby.

Why would some of these guys be fat?  They only eat big to get big.  That's not how they normally eat. We've seen Ronnie and Kai natural they still look great.  Quit hatin' and go to the gym.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2009, 10:07:17 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on November 28, 2009, 07:44:43 PM
Why would some of these guys be fat?  They only eat big to get big.  That's not how they normally eat. We've seen Ronnie and Kai natural they still look great.  Quit hatin' and go to the gym.

post pics of them natural
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2009, 10:19:51 PM »
ALL DRUGS

so take away the drugs and all is all that's left.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2009, 10:47:28 PM »
Quote from: tom joad on November 28, 2009, 10:19:51 PM
ALL DRUGS

so take away the drugs and all is all that's left.

So if u took what these pros take... you would look like a pro too would you?
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2009, 10:50:34 PM »
Quote from: El_Torro on November 28, 2009, 10:47:28 PM
So if u took what these pros take... you would look like a pro too would you?

where did i say or imply that?

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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2009, 10:52:14 PM »
they would look big as hell.

 not getbig monsters (275 with 8%BF). but we cant all be like that
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2009, 10:53:50 PM »
Quote from: tom joad on November 28, 2009, 10:50:34 PM
where did i say or imply that?



If its ALL DRUGS... then you should be able to look like one of them by taking the same drugs
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2009, 10:55:31 PM »
Still no Tom Prince pics yet?  I'm dissappointed.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2009, 11:31:48 PM »
Quote from: El_Torro on November 28, 2009, 10:53:50 PM
If its ALL DRUGS... then you should be able to look like one of them by taking the same drugs

Pro bodybuilders, by definition, respond very well to drugs.

Without drugs, they may or may not respond better to egg whites, chicken breasts and steak than the dedicated gym rats with good genetics at any local gym.

If you cloned a bodybuilder, and both were equally dedicated to nutrition and training, but the only difference was that one was on the sauce and the other stayed natural, then the physique of the juiced dude would blow away the natural one.  This huge difference is . . . all drugs.

However drugs are never given any of the credit (except on Getbig) hahaha.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2009, 11:35:34 PM »
Quote from: BigBuehl on November 28, 2009, 06:12:18 PM
I would have to see the photo but didnt he turn pro before he juiced supposedly?
Dballing in college
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2009, 11:36:45 PM »
Quote from: LatsMcGee on November 28, 2009, 10:55:31 PM
Still no Tom Prince pics yet?  I'm dissappointed.

Or Tom Platz....selling used cars.

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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2009, 11:43:06 PM »
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2009, 12:13:21 AM »
Quote from: tom joad on November 28, 2009, 11:31:48 PM
Pro bodybuilders, by definition, respond very well to drugs.

Without drugs, they may or may not respond better to egg whites, chicken breasts and steak than the dedicated gym rats with good genetics at any local gym.

If you cloned a bodybuilder, and both were equally dedicated to nutrition and training, but the only difference was that one was on the sauce and the other stayed natural, then the physique of the juiced dude would blow away the natural one.  This huge difference is . . . all drugs.

However drugs are never given any of the credit (except on Getbig) hahaha.

So what you are really saying is that the pros have a better response to drugs... therefore (acording to you) its a genetic drug response advatage combined with drugs.  You still cant say its ALL DRUGS then by you own definition.  As you admit (and i agreee) if you had 2 clones, 1 natty n 1 jucied, the juiced 1 will be alot more impressive.  You also admit that the pros "Without drugs, they may or may not respond better" than a dedicated gym rat with good genetics.... you just dont know.  So  therefore how do you know HOW MUCH of it is drugs in order to make such a broad statement as "ALL DRUGS".

Everybody reponds to drugs... you admitted that... i just find it amusing that somebody can then somehow quantify how much of the end result is due to drugs... n how much of it is due to a "better response" to drugs so much so that it can be labeled "ALL DRUGS".  How many people do you know who cant even follow a diet for a week or train hard consistantly.... then they try juice n they still dont look like much... they will then come up with another excuse like, i dont take AS MUCH as this guy or that guy, i havent used tren, i dont use gh ect.  Its just a cop out just like the all drugs saying.  Look at the list of bodybuilders in the original post... first on the list Ronnie Coleman...one of the biggest n freakiest ever AND also one of the hardest trainers.. is that just coincidence or maybee... just maybee... theres a little more to it than plainly n simply all drugs.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2009, 12:14:30 AM »
around 150 lbs if under 6'0.  155 lbs if 6'2 and up.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2009, 12:50:20 AM »
I think guys with good genetics could still be somewhere between 200 and 220 lbs clean in shape,though not as freaky hard i think the drugs can add 10 to 20 percent to overall bodyweight  over a competitors career of 10 to 15 years, i think Coleman got to around 220 to 230 cleanish, no doubt that guy and guys like Sergio Olivia are some of the most genetically gifted guys at building muscle .
I'm not a fan of GH15 theories that all guys would 190 or less just on genetics, Ive been in the sport 20 years, no doubt some of his dosages theories are up there with things some people do, but his genetic issue with no one being over 190lbs clean is unrealistic a  lot of big 300lb plus permabulkers would still be 240 clean no problem, in similar shape meaning 12 to 14 percent bodyfat, Biggest advantage of using drugs, bigger and leaner. I struggled to hold muscle when dieting when i was a natural years ago,  when you use, no doubt you hold the muscle and burn the fat in a much more effective way.
Just an opinion based on what Ive encountered in an around the sport before i retired.
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Re: What would pros weigh, look like without there drugs
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2009, 12:52:55 AM »

OBESE GUY: oh look it's ronald dean coleman

OBESE GUYS FRIEND: quite the tiny tit

OBESE GUY: i got an easy 100 lbs on him

OBESE GUYS FRIEND: no doubt about, you huge aryan adipose bastard
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