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Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« on: November 29, 2009, 06:13:59 AM »

 

November 28, 2009, 7:00 a.m.

CRU’s Tree-Ring Circus
Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?

By Mark Steyn

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My favorite moment in the Climategate/Climaquiddick scandal currently roiling the “climate change” racket was Stuart Varney’s interview on Fox News with the actor Ed Begley Jr. — star of the 1980s medical drama St. Elsewhere but latterly better known, as is the fashion with members of the thespian community, as an “activist.” He’s currently in a competition with Bill Nye (“the Science Guy”) to see who can have the lowest “carbon footprint.” Pistols at dawn would seem the quickest way of resolving that one, but presumably you couldn’t get a reality series out of it. Anyway, Ed was relaxed about the mountain of documents recently leaked from Britain’s Climate Research Unit in which the world’s leading climate-change warm-mongers e-mail each other back and forth on how to “hide the decline” and other interesting matters.

Nothing to worry about, folks. “We’ll go down the path and see what happens in peer-reviewed studies,” said Ed airily. “Those are the key words here, Stuart. ‘Peer-reviewed studies.’”

Hang on. Could you say that again more slowly so I can write it down? Not to worry. Ed said it every 12 seconds, as if it were the magic charm that could make all the bad publicity go away. He wore an open-necked shirt, and, although I don’t have a 76” inch HDTV, I wouldn’t have been surprised to find a talismanic peer-reviewed amulet nestling in his chest hair for additional protection. “If these scientists have done something wrong, it will be found out and their peers will determine it,” insisted Ed. “Don’t get your information from me, folks, or any newscaster. Get it from people with Ph.D. after their names. ‘Peer-reviewed studies is the key words. And if it comes out in peer-reviewed studies . . . ”
 
Got it: Pier-reviewed studies. You stand on the pier and you notice the tide seems to be coming in a little higher than it used to and you wonder if it’s something to do with incandescent light bulbs killing the polar bears? Is that how it works?

No, no, peer-reviewed studies. “Peer-reviewed studies. Go to Science magazine, folks. Go to Nature,” babbled Ed. “Read peer-reviewed studies. That’s all you need to do. Don’t get it from you or me.”

Look for the peer-reviewed label! And then just believe whatever it is they tell you!

The trouble with outsourcing your marbles to the peer-reviewed set is that, if you take away one single thing from the leaked documents, it’s that the global warm-mongers have wholly corrupted the “peer-review” process. When it comes to promoting the impending ecopalypse, the Climate Research Unit is the nerve-center of the operation. The “science” of the CRU dominates the “science” behind the UN’s IPCC, which dominates the “science” behind the Congressional cap-and-trade boondoggle, the upcoming Copenhagen shakindownen of the developed world, and the now routine phenomenon of leaders of advanced, prosperous societies talking like gibbering madmen escaped from the padded cell, whether it’s President Obama promising to end the rise of the oceans or the Prince of Wales saying we only have 96 months left to save the planet.

But don’t worry, it’s all “peer-reviewed.”

Here’s what Phil Jones of the CRU and his colleague Michael Mann of Penn State mean by “peer review.” When Climate Research published a paper dissenting from the Jones-Mann “consensus,” Jones demanded that the journal “rid itself of this troublesome editor,” and Mann advised that “we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers.”

So much for Climate Research. When Geophysical Research Letters also showed signs of wandering off the “consensus” reservation, Dr. Tom Wigley (“one of the world’s foremost experts on climate change”) suggested they get the goods on its editor, Jim Saiers, and go to his bosses at the American Geophysical Union to “get him ousted.” When another pair of troublesome dissenters emerge, Dr. Jones assured Dr. Mann, “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”

Which in essence is what they did. The more frantically they talked up “peer review” as the only legitimate basis for criticism, the more assiduously they turned the process into what James Lewis calls the Chicago machine politics of international science. The headline in the Wall Street Journal Europe is unimproveable: “How To Forge A Consensus.” Pressuring publishers, firing editors, blacklisting scientists: That’s “peer review,” climate-style.

The more their echo chamber shriveled, the more Mann and Jones insisted that they and only they represent the “peer-reviewed” “consensus.” And gullible types like Ed Begley Jr. and Andrew Revkin of the New York Times fell for it hook, line, and tree-ring. The e-mails of “Andy” (as his CRU chums fondly know him) are especially pitiful. Confronted by serious questions from Stephen McIntyre, the dogged Ontario retiree whose Climate Audit website exposed the fraud of Dr. Mann’s global-warming “hockey stick” graph), “Andy” writes to Dr. Mann to say not to worry, he’s going to “cover” the story from a more oblique angle:

I'm going to blog on this as it relates to the value of the peer review process and not on the merits of the mcintyre et al attacks.

peer review, for all its imperfections, is where the herky-jerky process of knowledge building happens, would you agree?

And, amazingly, Dr. Mann does! “Re, your point at the end — you’ve taken the words out of my mouth.”

And that’s what Andrew Revkin did, week in, week out: He took the words out of Michael Mann’s mouth and served them up to impressionable readers of the New York Times and opportunist politicians around the world champing at the bit to inaugurate a vast global regulatory body to confiscate trillions of dollars of your hard-earned wealth in the cause of “saving the planet” from an imaginary crisis concocted by a few dozen thuggish ideologues. If you fall for this after the revelations of the last week, you’re as big a dupe as Begley or Revkin.

“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” wondered Juvenal: Who watches the watchmen? But the beauty of the climate-change tree-ring circus is that you never need to ask “Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?” Mann peer-reviewed Jones, and Jones peer-reviewed Mann, and anyone who questioned their theories got exiled to the unwarmed wastes of Siberia. The “consensus” warm-mongers could have declared it only counts as “peer-reviewed” if it’s published in Peer-Reviewed Studies published by Mann & Jones Publishing Inc (Peermate of the Month: Al Gore, reclining naked, draped in dead polar-bear fur, on a melting ice floe), and Ed Begley Jr. and “Andy” Revkin would still have wandered out glassy-eyed into the streets droning “Peer-reviewed studies. Cannot question. Peer-reviewed studies. The science is settled . . . ”

Looking forward to Copenhagen, Herman Van Rumpoy, the new president of the European Union and an eager proponent of the ecopalypse, says 2009 is “the first year of global governance.” Global government, huh? I wonder where you go to vote them out of office.

Hey, but don’t worry, it’ll all be “peer-reviewed.”

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This question is exactly why we must not enact crap & tax.  This global warming sham is likely the product of:

garbage in = garbage out. 


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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2009, 08:39:15 AM »
Here’s what Phil Jones of the CRU and his colleague Michael Mann of Penn State mean by “peer review.” When Climate Research published a paper dissenting from the Jones-Mann “consensus,” Jones demanded that the journal “rid itself of this troublesome editor,” and Mann advised that “we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers.”


Pretty much sums things up right there.

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2009, 08:40:49 AM »
The headline in the Wall Street Journal Europe is unimproveable: “How To Forge A Consensus.” Pressuring publishers, firing editors, blacklisting scientists: That’s “peer review,” climate-style.
Mann peer-reviewed Jones, and Jones peer-reviewed Mann, and anyone who questioned their theories got exiled to the unwarmed wastes of Siberia.



An Inconvenient Truth?   ;D

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2009, 09:20:30 AM »
this means a lot from a nutjob that thinks palin was a great chose :D :D :You are now grasping a straws :D :D :D :D


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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2009, 09:22:05 AM »
this means a lot from a nutjob that thinks palin was a great chose :D :D :You are now grasping a straws :D :D :D :D

huh? :-\

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2009, 09:27:48 AM »
"she's a moose hunting beauty queen and that's what's great about this country" ::)  I'm thinking about how spot on Matt Damon was with this comment.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=308282.0

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2009, 09:46:52 AM »
huh? :-\

Again, Blacken - do you care to comment on the article or simply attack the messenger?

The fact of the matter is that the whole global warming farce is unraveling by the hour, and its about time.  This was a scam of biblical measure and nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to steal our money and give it to corrupt corporations like GE, Goldman Sachs, and others.   

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2009, 09:54:54 AM »
only in your mind is it unraveling by the hour, you will find most scientist still be lieve its happening. and i do have a problem when you post articles by some right wing hack that host for rush and state it as some news worthy article

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2009, 10:01:56 AM »
only in your mind is it unraveling by the hour, you will find most scientist still be lieve its happening. and i do have a problem when you post articles by some right wing hack that host for rush and state it as some news worthy article

I believe that chicks with fat asses are hot, does that make it true? 

Just because a scientist believes something to be true is not enough.  Its supposed to be science and not left up to peoples' beliefs. 

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2009, 10:12:51 AM »
well when the overwhelming majority of scientist believe it true that what I'll go with

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2009, 10:21:34 AM »
well when the overwhelming majority of scientist believe it true that what I'll go with

And what are their beliefs based upon?   The "science" that came from this nerve center.  Mosr of the "scientists" who hopped on board of this climate change garbage simply piggy backed off of bad data that they themselves got from these idiots. 

Again -

Garbage in = Garbage out.     

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2009, 10:24:24 AM »
...and i do have a problem when you post articles by some right wing hack that host for rush and state it as some news worthy article


Classic double standard from the YouTube monkey.


Scientist covering up data, complete denial about data saying there is no global warming, and attempts to discredit scientists who disagree....but it's all on the up and up right?  ::)  I've got some ocean view property in AZ if you're interested.

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2009, 10:38:53 AM »
that data your talking about that got leaked was only from a few scientist . there are hundreds of models that show the same thing. so get your facts strait.the problem with you guys is you only get your news from right wing  propaganda look on both sides and make an educated judgement,for Skip8282 that would be imposable

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2009, 11:06:14 AM »
that data your talking about that got leaked was only from a few scientist . there are hundreds of models that show the same thing. so get your facts strait.the problem with you guys is you only get your news from right wing  propaganda look on both sides and make an educated judgement,for Skip8282 that would be imposable



:D  Nothing better than an eductation lecture from a semi-literate lib whose typical arguments are:  "You're a moron" and "Faux News sucks".

Fact is, most of us get our news from a variety of sources and just posting on this board and reading other people's opinions provides a person with various sides of an argument.  But attempting to downplay this incident as nothing more than smoke and mirrors is just doing what you're accusing others of; namely, ignoring one side of the argument.

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2009, 11:14:58 AM »
never said it was smoke and mirrors but its emails from a few scientists your the one trying to make it bigger than what it is

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2009, 11:40:33 AM »
never said it was smoke and mirrors but its emails from a few scientists your the one trying to make it bigger than what it is


Perhaps.  But it's not just simply a "few scientists".  These are two of the most respected names in the field.  So even the appearance of impropriety is deserving of a critical look.

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2009, 02:38:17 PM »

Perhaps.  But it's not just simply a "few scientists".  These are two of the most respected names in the field.  So even the appearance of impropriety is deserving of a critical look.

This whole hoax being exposed is like telling little children Santa Claus does not exist anymore. 

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2009, 08:02:59 AM »

Perhaps.  But it's not just simply a "few scientists".  These are two of the most respected names in the field.  So even the appearance of impropriety is deserving of a critical look.

Not necessarily... these were stolen emails of private conversations. I speak to certain colleagues at work in way that is a lot more relaxed than the style I would use if I was on a news talk show or even at a conference.

Not to mention, the scientist have spoken on the emails and described how they've been taken out of context and their explanations are plausible. In short, when exerpts of stolen emails are taken out of context the onus of impropriety doesn't really apply.

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2009, 05:07:11 PM »
Not necessarily... these were stolen emails of private conversations. I speak to certain colleagues at work in way that is a lot more relaxed than the style I would use if I was on a news talk show or even at a conference.

Not to mention, the scientist have spoken on the emails and described how they've been taken out of context and their explanations are plausible. In short, when exerpts of stolen emails are taken out of context the onus of impropriety doesn't really apply.


It's the people being accused of perpetrating the fraud that are saying the emails were taken out of context, lol.  Yeah, guess we should take their word for it.  That's almost as dumb as each one peer reviewing the others work whilst excluding others.

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2009, 05:41:52 PM »

It's the people being accused of perpetrating the fraud that are saying the emails were taken out of context, lol.  Yeah, guess we should take their word for it.  That's almost as dumb as each one peer reviewing the others work whilst excluding others.

I don't get it - what is the big pay-off for "perpetrating this fraud" - are they just doing it out of malice, is there money involved, or is it just more likely your imagination?

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Re: Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2009, 06:14:38 PM »
call it what you want but something is happening to the ice caps


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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2009, 06:18:23 PM »
I don't get it - what is the big pay-off for "perpetrating this fraud" - are they just doing it out of malice, is there money involved, or is it just more likely your imagination?


That's the point, we don't know.  Maybe just the prestige of being considered a premier mind in the field.  But getting to the bottom of it is hard as hell because they shroud themselves in secrecy.

Why did it take a filing under the freedom of information act to get them to release data?  Which now has "disappeared".  Why shun dissenting scientific views?

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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2009, 06:25:37 PM »

That's the point, we don't know.  Maybe just the prestige of being considered a premier mind in the field.  But getting to the bottom of it is hard as hell because they shroud themselves in secrecy.

Why did it take a filing under the freedom of information act to get them to release data?  Which now has "disappeared".  Why shun dissenting scientific views?

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me - and why would a scientist (who is probably well respected) risk their reputation by committing this fraud.

Ha, shun more like they were worried about the right wing spin machine - cos my friend this is a smear campaign. Truth is unless you know how to interpret the data then it's probably not very valuable to most people.

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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2009, 06:34:38 PM »
Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me - and why would a scientist (who is probably well respected) risk their reputation by committing this fraud.

Ha, shun more like they were worried about the right wing spin machine - cos my friend this is a smear campaign. Truth is unless you know how to interpret the data then it's probably not very valuable to most people.


No, I don't think it's a conspiracy theory in the "control the world" sense.  It may just be two guys with questionable data trying to cover their asses.  The fact that they're considered preeminent in their field just makes it more insidious.