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Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« on: December 03, 2009, 03:31:49 PM »
This might go a little long but stay with me...

I was thinking about why we don't see the quality physiques in the NPC as we did 15 years ago.  In addition, why do you have some guys that look the same their whole career and some guys that blow up.

Since I started working out, I've always been told was important to build a base before hitting the sauce.  Reason being, you want to take your body as close as you can to it's natural genetic limit, then you will be to become even larger on the the sauce.  I guess I can agree with that in that if you took two cloned humans and have one weight train for 5 years and the other natural for those five years then you use juice for two years after, who is going to be bigger and better? The clone that trained naturally or the clone that didn't train at all?  The answer is obvious...

Next up is GH, IGF and insulin.  Many bodybuilders from the 70s and even in the 80s didn't use any of these and were able to obtain incredible physiques.  Yet you have people who have cycles 2 or 3 times that are talking the peptides, slin mega doses of test and everything else you can think.  They might end up building a decent physique but they could have built a much better one had they stayed with a reasonable amount of juice and increased the food for a couple more years (I understand this is the "I want it right now American Culture")These are the guys that were able to make it to the pros but won't do anything because they really are tapped out in terms of size or their bodies are just tired because of the mega doses of everything.  It goes to beg the question, how important is GH, IGF and Slin?  Answer = very important.  BUT if you can't win a local show without it, you probably won't fare too well in the pros.  The guys that go on to be successful pros are guys that aren't just young but fresh (no homo).  Fresh meaning they haven't used everything but the kitchen sink...This means they still have much room to grow and improve in the pro ranks to compete with the greats. example as of recently: Phil Heath and Kai Greene.  It is alleged that Kai was natural when he turned pro winning the team universe and that phil used a very low amount around 750mg of test and some other stuff (ALLEGEDLY).  Obviously everyone won't be able to respond the way Phil does or follow the path Kai took (assuming all this is true).  But these guys that are hyper responders will always be at the top of the pack.  When these guys start using in the amounts (and what they use ((GH, IGF and slin)) other guys are using you get the huge jumps in weight. Example (Ronnie and Kai).

Will bodybuilders ever take less drugs than a previous generation?  Probably not until there is gene replacement therapy or something else that comes along.  We are the more is better culture and unfortunatly bodybuilding is one of the best examples of this.  Guys that look great naturally and look incredible using (by bodbuilders standards) "a little" will always be ahead of the pack.  The guys megadosers will always be trying to catch up to make up for their bodybuilding genetic inferiority.

Obviously it's much more complicated then drugs and genetics.........LOL. No it's not ;D

Bottom line...Save your money on the GH, IGF and Slin unless you look like you can step on a national stage.

*unless you're using the GH for the many other usefull reasons.
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 04:04:48 PM »


I still like your black ass though

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 04:14:52 PM »
Weegas, what's your opinion on Falcon's stool quality?
from incomplete data

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 07:17:30 PM »
BB drug usage is disgusting and most have no place taking them.
The end.
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 07:20:41 PM »
don't tell me what to do

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 07:23:51 PM »
BB drug usage is disgusting and most have no place taking them.
The end.
ACCORDING TO WHO?

WHY IS IT DISGUSTING?

go fuck yourself
bodybuilding is a steroid culture
always was always will be

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 07:32:38 PM »
ACCORDING TO WHO?

WHY IS IT DISGUSTING?

go fuck yourself
bodybuilding is a steroid culture
always was always will be
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 07:44:38 PM »
ACCORDING TO WHO?

WHY IS IT DISGUSTING?

go fuck yourself
bodybuilding is a steroid culture
always was always will be
According to many outside the getbig community.  Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum.  It's laughed at by most.  Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics.  No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis.  The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".

It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains.  There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 08:27:16 PM »
According to many outside the getbig community.  Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum.  It's laughed at by most.  Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics.  No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis.  The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".

It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains.  There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
meltdown
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2009, 08:31:40 PM »
According to many outside the getbig community.  Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum.  It's laughed at by most.  Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics.  No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis.  The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".

It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains.  There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.

ur a pussy if you take PEDs??


correct me if I;m wrong


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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2009, 08:32:39 PM »
ur a pussy if you take PEDs??


correct me if I;m wrong


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Rumor has it, you're a pussy if you use the phrase "no homo".




Just sayin.
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2009, 09:25:29 PM »
Rumor has it, you're a pussy if you use the phrase "no homo".




Just sayin.


haha


I got it from swede so its totally not gay er not homo err no homo  ;D

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 10:02:19 PM »


Bottom line...Save your money on the GH, IGF and Slin unless you look like you can step on a national stage.


disagree.

GH has the ability to take your physique to levels that steroids alone will never accomplish.

you can look at the physiques pre GH/ insulin and say they were great physiques without those compounds, but sadly many of those same physiques wouldn't place top 3 in a national level show. i'd be surprised if arnold in his prime could place at the Nats today.

so, you should change the above statement to 'save your money on GH unless you want to step on the national stage or build a physique capable of being there.'
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 10:04:12 PM »
According to many outside the getbig community.  Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum.  It's laughed at by most.  Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics.  No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis.  The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".

It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains.  There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.
hahahahhahahhaahahahahhhaahhahahahahahahahhhahahahahha!

every bodybuilder worth giving a second look is a steroid user

fuck you

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2009, 10:15:34 PM »
According to many outside the getbig community.  Nobody respects steroid users, other on this forum.  It's laughed at by most.  Looked upon as cheaters and drug users.
Go around and tell people about your steroid usage, see how "impressed" they are.
Nothing worse, than going to Gold's seeing a bunch of roid clowns patting each other on the back and screaming, "ONE MORE" and somehow placing meaning in nothing more than middle aged fools ingesting anabolics.  No skill or talent required...never impressive.
I dream of the day I can go to a gym and not see a bunch of pretenders fooling themselves on a daily basis.  The other day, I saw a few egging each other on for that last rep, confusing drug gains for their "hard work".

It's unrealistic though for most to go into a gym, train hard enough, eat well long enough, to get solid gains.  There are far too many pussies in gyms these days....period.

whats it like being so insecure?

what does it matter to you what others do, unless it makes you insecure.

i'd be willing to bet you can't keep a woman long as a girlfriend. most girls hate insecure boys like you.

the little man in the corner hating all the 'big guys' cause they get all the attention.

wlecome to reality, bitch.

ahahahahahahahaha
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2009, 10:36:59 PM »


I still like your black ass though

bwhahaha Thats gold. Funniest music video ever.

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2009, 12:53:50 AM »
It's great to see all the drug reliant lifters on here melt, every time I keep it real.
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2009, 02:01:01 AM »
whats it like being so insecure?

what does it matter to you what others do, unless it makes you insecure.

i'd be willing to bet you can't keep a woman long as a girlfriend. most girls hate insecure boys like you.

the little man in the corner hating all the 'big guys' cause they get all the attention.

wlecome to reality, bitch.

ahahahahahahahaha
QFT..The problem with Crotch though is he juices also but doesnt look much better than a natural with semi decent genes so champions his natural status what ever chance he gets so as to make him look somthing he is not...Just like the guys that do the "natural" shows that are gassed to the gills but because they dont have great genetics they claim natural while being on more "support" than your average nat competitor..
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2009, 02:17:53 AM »
It's great to see all the drug reliant lifters on here melt, every time I keep it real.
 :D


youre one insecure little whining bitch.  :D ::)

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2009, 02:54:17 AM »
All drugs

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2009, 06:38:06 AM »
BB drug usage is disgusting and most have no place taking them.
The end.

Most users are wasting money/health with drugs.

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2009, 06:44:26 AM »
"Drugs are just the icing of the cake"

"you cant turn a chihuahua in to a pirbull by using roids"

"Everybody wants to be a bb,.but nobody wants to do it drug free"

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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2009, 09:59:31 AM »
disagree.

GH has the ability to take your physique to levels that steroids alone will never accomplish.

you can look at the physiques pre GH/ insulin and say they were great physiques without those compounds, but sadly many of those same physiques wouldn't place top 3 in a national level show. i'd be surprised if arnold in his prime could place at the Nats today.

so, you should change the above statement to 'save your money on GH unless you want to step on the national stage or build a physique capable of being there.'

Go back and read my thread...I never said it was useless.  I said it shouldn't be taken until you have plenty of cycles under your belt and your body is ready to go to the next level...Not to many people on the board can say this.
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Re: Evolution of bodybuilders' physiques and how the drugs are used
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2009, 10:12:39 AM »
Go back and read my thread...I never said it was useless.  I said it shouldn't be taken until you have plenty of cycles under your belt and your body is ready to go to the next level...Not to many people on the board can say this.

Wiggs,

The person with average (or worse genetics) does do not have a "next level" and no magic number of cycles under their belt is going to change that.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2009, 10:16:52 AM »
Wiggs,

The person with average (or worse genetics) does do not have a "next level" and no magic number of cycles under their belt is going to change that.

Everyone has a next level.  It's just some are not as impressive as others.
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