The best fix for the global warming scandal

[BodyProSite]

Maybe obama should hold a beer summit, with al gore, and his bought and paid for scientist, and then wait for the next i.e. (crisis) to happen and the public may forget the huge lie.

[haider]

no proof of a 'massive lie'. the emails that you talk about bring into question only two scientists, which doesn't necessarily disprove global warming.

[BodyProSite]

then why the massive cover up?  hmmm let me guess , they were just bored and wanted to play a game ?   dont think so ,  but just stay in denial , its the first step in the liberal train of thought

[haider]

then why the massive cover up?  hmmm let me guess , they were just bored and wanted to play a game ?   dont think so ,  but just stay in denial , its the first step in the liberal train of thought

what massive cover up?

[BodyProSite]

what massive cover up??  lol  well appearently you have been asleep for the last 2 weeks  wow.  deny deny deny , not surprised though

[Kazan]

no proof of a 'massive lie'. the emails that you talk about bring into question only two scientists, which doesn't necessarily disprove global warming.

Like I have said in the past, those that worship at the church of global warming will not believe anything to the contrary

[haider]

It is true, I haven't followed the story closely. but from what I have read it is two scientists whose emails came into question. Apparently they were manipulating the data in some way to make more of a case for global warming.

Sounded pretty shady, but I also read the emails could have been misinterpreted. Why can't you guys wait until after the investigation to come up with conclusions?

Or do you already have sufficient proof to call this a "massive lie" ? So I ask you again, where is the evidence?

[BodyProSite]

yep or are realy just to stupid to understand any common sense

[BodyProSite]

maybe you should take it upon yourself to actually read some of what really came out rather than the paragraph the msnbc decided to show for one day , while they were busy covering the important tiger woods breaking news

[haider]

Like I have said in the past, those that worship at the church of global warming will not believe anything to the contrary

The majority of scientists are on board with the so-called church.

I believe you are guilty of exactly the same thing you are accusing the other party of. It seems you don't want to believe in global warming. 

[Kazan]

It is true, I haven't followed the story closely. but from what I have read it is two scientists whose emails came into question. Apparently they were manipulating the data in some way to make more of a case for global warming.

Sounded pretty shady, but I also read the emails could have been misinterpreted. Why can't you guys wait until after the investigation to come up with conclusions?

Or do you already have sufficient proof to call this a "massive lie" ? So I ask you again, where is the evidence?

There is at the very least a cover up, there has been a FOIA request for this information for years. They refuse to release the data. Then after this breaks suddenly it was lost. Over an over again things have been proven to be false, the hockey stick a bunch of bullshit. But for some reason there are those who just want to believe that man is evil and is destorying the planet.

[haider]

maybe you should take it upon yourself to actually read some of what really came out rather than the paragraph the msnbc decided to show for one day , while they were busy covering the important tiger woods breaking news

I did.

Where is the "massive" cover up? Have you read the full emails? How familiar are you with GW science?

You obviously have an agenda if you're going to take one incidence of what appears to be fraudulent and extrapolate it to say the whole thing is a farce.

[haider]

There is at the very least a cover up, there has been a FOIA request for this information for years. They refuse to release the data. Then after this breaks suddenly it was lost. Over an over again things have been proven to be false, the hockey stick a bunch of bullshit. But for some reason there are those who just want to believe that man is evil and is destorying the planet.

this is something i can work with, I will look into this.

[BodyProSite]

the scientist you speak of just joined tthe bandwagon because of the two origional scientist words due to their statue in the science world, so yes i do agree that most scientist support the theories, but they are supporting corrupt and hidden findings, once again turn of that dude racheal maddow and read soething unbias. Fyrther more i do not belong to right or left, right has problems also , just a far cry from the number that the left has.   I support polititians that want wahts best for america, and legal americans first, then everyone else, someone that wants to uphold the founding fathers views.  not this socialist shit happening today

[Kazan]

The majority of scientists are on board with the so-called church.

I believe you are guilty of exactly the same thing you are accusing the other party of. It seems you don't want to believe in global warming. 

Maybe you should do a little research and see how all these scientist peer reviewed the data. They were given only the part that pertained to there specific area, which may have amounted to a few paragraphs, not the whole document. Thus the conscensus, and not fact. No I don't believe in man made global warming, I believe the earth goes through heating a cooling cycles naturally and has since its inception. I believe the Al Gores of the world are just out to make a buck off natual phnomena by trying to blame it on man. Why has Al Gore suddenly backed out of Copnhagen? This should be his moment in the sun (pun intended), but all over the sudden with climategate Al just can't seem to make it. If CO2 is such a bad thing and a polutant then all that believe that man is causing this ,should find a new form of repiration or simply stop breathing - because they should all do their part.

[BodyProSite]

If al gore honestly believed any of the trash he pushes he wouldnt have a house that consumes more in a week then i use in a month , or have huge combustion engine powered boats and fly on the largest private jets money can buy when he is the only one traveling ,  the proof is in itself, people with common sense have seen it for years, its amazing there are still mongoloids that buy into the crock of shit and want hard working tax payers to fund this shit

[haider]

the scientist you speak of just joined tthe bandwagon because of the two origional scientist words due to their statue in the science world, so yes i do agree that most scientist support the theories, but they are supporting corrupt and hidden findings, once again turn of that dude racheal maddow and read soething unbias. Fyrther more i do not belong to right or left, right has problems also , just a far cry from the number that the left has.   I support polititians that want wahts best for america, and legal americans first, then everyone else, someone that wants to uphold the founding fathers views.  not this socialist shit happening today

you make 1001 assumptions about me, but then you ask me to be unbiased and objective. lol.

[BodyProSite]

what have i said other than you are a lib?

[BodyProSite]

i said you dont have common sense, but thats not an assumption  you prove that when you actually ask ( what big cover up)

[haider]

Maybe you should do a little research and see how all these scientist peer reviewed the data. They were given only the part that pertained to there specific area, which may have amounted to a few paragraphs, not the whole document. Thus the conscensus, and not fact. No I don't believe in man made global warming, I believe the earth goes through heating a cooling cycles naturally and has since its inception. I believe the Al Gores of the world are just out to make a buck off natual phnomena by trying to blame it on man. Why has Al Gore suddenly backed out of Copnhagen? This should be his moment in the sun (pun intended), but all over the sudden with climategate Al just can't seem to make it. If CO2 is such a bad thing and a polutant then all that believe that man is causing this ,should find a new form of repiration or simply stop breathing - because they should all do their part.

you have some very good things to say; for example that concensus does not make it factual. I don't agree with the bashing so much.

My background assumption was a belief that scientists are doing what they are supposed to do- i.e. evaluate scientific data objectively. That is why we rely on what scientists say instead of listening to some joe-schmoe or some politician with an agenda.

I think this has to be debated amongst the scientists pretty much, because the rest of us are ill-equipped to deal with the matter properly... so we're basically stuck with having to rely on our scientists and ofcourse our own common sense. IMO, it is better for society if we form a concensus around the opinions of scientists so we don't get paralyzed by a clusterfuck of opinions.

[haider]

i said you dont have common sense, but thats not an assumption  you prove that when you actually ask ( what big cover up)

calm down you're gettin too heated up; not good for you (or the environment).

[BodyProSite]

i agre with you ,  we should  however a majority of the scientists just took these guys work for it and jumped on the global warming train with no evidence being viewed because the two main guys were so well respected, so they didnt know they were being shammed. you say we should wait for the scientists, well wqait for what ? al gore to buy of 2 more well respected guys to shovel a bunch of crap to get a sertain group of people rich,

[haider]

i agre with you ,  we should  however a majority of the scientists just took these guys work for it and jumped on the global warming train with no evidence being viewed because the two main guys were so well respected, so they didnt know they were being shammed. you say we should wait for the scientists, well wqait for what ? al gore to buy of 2 more well respected guys to shovel a bunch of crap to get a sertain group of people rich,

I highly doubt this is how it all went down bro. Look up what "peer review" process means... it is what ensures our scientists are doing what they are supposed to do, and doing it well. I'm sure it has its flaws but we've managed to produce some brilliant science despite that.

Let me also also take a step back from this and say it was pre-mature for me to jump into a debate as I do not have enough information surrounding the issue. My apologies.

[BodyProSite]

i know what this means i have a bachelors in organic chemisty

[haider]

i know what this means i have a bachelors in organic chemisty

I see, just out of curiosity.. are you american?