Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson

[MCWAY]

I am aware of that but look at the quality physiques Shawn had to compete against, and look at what pieces of bloated, GF gut Palumboism shit Dex went up against. 

You mean guys like:

Wheeler
Levrone
Cormier
Schlierkamp

Didn't Dexter Jackson DEFEAT those guys, too?

Not to mention

Charles
Anthony
Freeman
Wolf
Heath

Dexter Jackson faced many of the same competitors that Ray faced and he defeated them, along with a few others. And, unlike Ray, Jackson has a Sandow.

[calfzilla]

Sorry that argument doesn't sway my opinion.  Why the fuck am I discussing competitive bodybuilding anyway?   

[Hulkster]

Dexter Jackson faced many of the same competitors that Ray faced and he defeated them, along with a few others. And, unlike Ray, Jackson has a Sandow.

but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..

unlike Shawn.

back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:

just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.

fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.

but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.

[TrapsMcLats]

but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..

unlike Shawn.

back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:

just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.

fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.

but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.

I don't know how anyone can look at that pic of ronnie and not regard him as the GOAT, he looks ridiculous.

[calfzilla]

I don't know how anyone can look at that pic of ronnie and not regard him as the GOAT, he looks ridiculous.

Agreed.  Especially the non-existant calves, gyno and funky looking abs.   

[TrapsMcLats]

Agreed.  Especially the non-existant calves, gyno and funky looking abs.   

let me guess, you think dexter is better than shawn too?

[calfzilla]

let me guess, you think dexter is better than shawn too?

No.  Haven't you been reading my above posts? 

[TrapsMcLats]

No.  Haven't you been reading my above posts? 

just did, fair enough.

[England_1]

but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..

unlike Shawn.

back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:

just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.

fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.

but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.

Aren't you the geek that makes the same argument for Ronnie "the child" getting blown off the stage in 92-95?  Dexter was an infant in 99.

Dexter did something Shawn never could, he beat the biggest and best BBs at the time. If you put Shawn on stage now he'd place just like he did in the 90s....top 2-4

[Fatpanda]

Nice, so are you saying a taller BB with same proportions should beat a shorter one same proportions?

if all else is equal - yes

[Fatpanda]

but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..

unlike Shawn.

back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:

just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.

fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.

but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.

what about how he has put in 30lbs  ( at least) of muscle on that frame since that pic?

at his peak he was a different specimen.

[Royal Lion]

The form Dexter brought to the last 2 Mr. O's would probably beat Shawn.  Shawn's physique is "prettier", but Dexter is bigger and in better condition.  His Mr. O and Arnold record compared to Shawn's are proof.

Shawn is one of my favorite of all time and arguably has the best physique in terms of what I'd want to look like; however, in terms of IFBB criteria Dexter would  likely prevail. 

[MCWAY]

but he faced them when they were in the twilight of their careers ie way over the hill..

unlike Shawn.

back in the late 90's, dex got blown off the stage:

just as he would of had he competed in the early 90's.

fact is, dex was well below shawn in terms of physique.

but he was perfectly placed in terms of fate.

Way over the hill? Hardly

Cormier won multiple IronMan titles in the 2000s, along with his string of 2nd-place finishes at the ASC.

Levrone was hardly "over the hill", having placed 2nd at the Olympia TWICE in the 2000s (2000, 2002).

As for Schlierkamp, didn't he win the GNC show AT RONNIE COLEMAN'S EXPENSE, as well as claiming two 5th-place and one 4th-place showings at the O?

Your assertion of Jackson facing low-quality competitors, compared to Ray (or that Jackson beat the same competitors when they were "over the hill) is quite unfounded.

Dexter Jackson is hardly well below Shawn Ray, in terms of physique. Jackson has MORE WINS against similar competition. Plus, he has the ONE title that Ray does not possess.......MR. OLYMPIA.

[Earl1972]

dexter beat Mr. Levrone at the 2003 O because he tore his tricep a few weeks earlier, overall he was a good 20 lbs smaller than normal

he beat him at a few spring shows too in the 2000's, he didn't take those seriously at all i think he just wanted to collect an easy paycheck

if this is a prime Levrone, than I guess trevor berbick beat a prime Ali

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[NarcissisticDeity]

Way over the hill? Hardly

Cormier won multiple IronMan titles in the 2000s, along with his string of 2nd-place finishes at the ASC.

Levrone was hardly "over the hill", having placed 2nd at the Olympia TWICE in the 2000s (2000, 2002).

As for Schlierkamp, didn't he win the GNC show AT RONNIE COLEMAN'S EXPENSE, as well as claiming two 5th-place and one 4th-place showings at the O?

Your assertion of Jackson facing low-quality competitors, compared to Ray (or that Jackson beat the same competitors when they were "over the hill) is quite unfounded.

Dexter Jackson is hardly well below Shawn Ray, in terms of physique. Jackson has MORE WINS against similar competition. Plus, he has the ONE title that Ray does not possess.......MR. OLYMPIA.

Great post ! typical Hulkster lots of blanket statements absolutely no proof what so ever epitome of ignorance.

Dexter is like Shawn Ray except bigger with width anyone who says they're no comparable is being silly

[Hulkster]

[quoteDexter is like Shawn Ray except bigger with width anyone who says they're no comparable is being silly ][/quote]

LMAO

 

are you honestly that stupid? or are you just saying dexter because I am saying (and proving quite easily) Ray..

 

if you think these two physiques are the same, only with dexter bigger, well, I am fucking santa clause.

its not even close folks:

[Hulkster]

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LOL what destruction.

shawn placed in the top 5 of 12 consequtive olympias, most of which Dex would be in the bottom of the top 10..if that. hell, his Mr. O shape would not have even made the top 6 in 98 or 99..

and ND is stupid enough to say Dex is the same as shawn only bigger LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

[quoteDexter is like Shawn Ray except bigger with width anyone who says they're no comparable is being silly ]

LMAO

 

are you honestly that stupid? or are you just saying dexter because I am saying (and proving quite easily) Ray..

 

if you think these two physiques are the same, only with dexter bigger, well, I am fucking santa clause.

its not even close folks:

No not the same , Dexter has wider clavicles and back 

[Hulkster]

yet his back is soft and crappy compared to Shawns..his back double bi shot is so far below its not even close.

[NarcissisticDeity]

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LOL what destruction.

shawn placed in the top 5 of 12 consequtive olympias, most of which Dex would be in the bottom of the top 10..if that. hell, his Mr. O shape would not have even made the top 6 in 98 or 99..

and ND is stupid enough to say Dex is the same as shawn only bigger LOL

And? so did Lee Labrada you have no point.

Dexter carries more muscular bulk than Shawn and has equal if not better conditioning , he's wider to boot once again Mr " I only judge guys because I like they way they look " NOT how it works

[regmac]

I am aware of that but look at the quality physiques Shawn had to compete against, and look at what pieces of bloated, GF gut Palumboism shit Dex went up against. 

Shawn's lost to the king of "pieces of bloated, GFD gut Polumboism from 91 to 1997!!!!   Dorian Yates  So if Dex has beaten them Dex is better.  Yeah I like Shawns physq more  but Dex has at least one Sandow on his mantle.   I am sure Shawns happy at his past accomplishments....NPC wins,  1 ASC win , 1 ASC win with an asteric, 2 or 3 runner up titles, but Dex accomplished THE NUMBER ONE GOAL that Shawn was always gunning for.

[Danimal77]

dexter beat Mr. Levrone at the 2003 O because he tore his tricep a few weeks earlier, overall he was a good 20 lbs smaller than normal

he beat him at a few spring shows too in the 2000's, he didn't take those seriously at all i think he just wanted to collect an easy paycheck

if this is a prime Levrone, than I guess trevor berbick beat a prime Ali

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Didn't Levrone claim to be in his 240's for the 2003 Mr. Olympia? Looked to be 225 MAX.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn's lost to the king of "pieces of bloated, GFD gut Polumboism from 91 to 1997!!!!   Dorian Yates  So if Dex has beaten them Dex is better.  Yeah I like Shawns physq more  but Dex has at least one Sandow on his mantle.   I am sure Shawns happy at his past accomplishments....NPC wins,  1 ASC win , 1 ASC win with an asteric, 2 or 3 runner up titles, but Dex accomplished THE NUMBER ONE GOAL that Shawn was always gunning for.

Hahahahahahahaha Shawn " It's my density to be Mr Olympia " NOT

Dexter is in a very special group that Ray only dreams about

[Mr Nobody]

Ray just dont have enough mass he was of the era of the small Mr O's,,,whn the big guys came around and the game changed it was "lights out" great physique though

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ray just dont have enough mass he was of the era of the small Mr O's,,,whn the big guys came around and the game changed it was "lights out" great physique though

Sorry 205 pounds is severely lacking in a major part of the judging criteria called Muscular Bulk , factor in the width issues and balance issues and only idiots can claim he was robbed

very nice aesthetic physique accomplished a lot despite his shortcomings it was never in the cards for him.